[pcper] frame metering review 690 vs. 7970 CF vs. Titan

[omeds]

Who actually plays BF3 multiplayer with vsync on ? And for that matter - who plays it without using the built in framerate cap; gametime.maxvariablefps - set to a few frames above their monitor's refresh rate or whatever FPS level is their system's average threshold ?

I've tried playing BF3 without using the framerate cap and the experience is horrible as your framerate skyrockets and then can drop suddenly when an explosion goes off. Same goes for CS or CS:S, who does not use fpx_max via the console to steady their frame rate from big vacillations ? Some pseudo 'competitive gamer' logic being posted in this thread. The experience is probably hampered even moreso from having a framerate constantly leaping and falling compared to the lag from vsync. fps_max was a go-to feature for competitive CS gaming.

Any single player game vsync is always on because it makes the experience vastly better.

This guy is right. I never use vsync for online fps because it intoduces issues, anyone who says otherwise is fos. Been using a 125 or 250 fps cap for a decade at 60hz, which minimises/reduces tearing and has many other benefits. Been using 120hz for a few years now and the same applies, vsync is not an option. Vsync is only good for SP games afaic.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Applied vsync @1080 120hz

680 SLI 80 FPS

7970 CF 30 FPS

SLI is 187% faster.

680 SLI 140 FPS

7970 CF 60 FPS


SLI is 131% faster.

680 SLI 55 FPS

7970 CF 15 FPS


SLI is 270% faster.





Seems legit.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8udnXLrHN0&feature=endscreen&NR=1

 

[omeds]

Where are you getting those 120hz vsync numbers? I must have missed them in the pcper article. Got a link?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Where are you getting those 120hz vsync numbers? I must have missed them in the pcper article. Got a link?

I made them up :thumbsup:

 

[omeds]

O...K..? :awe:


Dammit, I was actually interested in 120hz results, ffs.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

They probably can't capture at 1080p 120Hz, that would be my guess anyways.

 

[omeds]

Fair point.

 

[Imouto]

Applied vsync @1080 120hz

Looks like you can't read properly and that's the reason for your video fixation.

Seems legit.

Nope. Try harder.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Looks like you can't read properly and that's the reason for your video fixation.



Nope. Try harder.

Oh look another attack from Imouto, who would have guessed. ()

 

[Keysplayr]

Oh look another attack from Imouto, who would have guessed. ()

Imouto, what is the problem you are having with the videos?

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Probably because they put into an image, the picture the graphs and words create which doesn't leave a lot of leeway for personal interpretation.

 

[Imouto]

Imouto, what is the problem you are having with the videos?

Didn't watch it. I won't waste 20 mins when I can read the same amount of info in less than 3 mins.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8udnXLrHN0&feature=endscreen&NR=1

This one is 1:47, but you can just watch the first 4 seconds.

 

[AdamK47]

I would have liked to see Titan SLI thrown into the mix.

 

[3DVagabond]

I would have liked to see Titan SLI thrown into the mix.

Too expensive to compare directly.

 

[Keysplayr]

Didn't watch it. I won't waste 20 mins when I can read the same amount of info in less than 3 mins.

It's not a waste at all. In fact, why not be as informed as you could be if you intend to argue against?

 

[Wall Street]

If I had crossfire and I realized that one of my cards was producing less than 1% of the scan lines that are being displayed on the screen I would be disappointed. Crossfire is broken when not using vsync. Vsync is a poor fix, without vsync you can play at settings that only average near 60 FPS and sometimes drop as low as 40 fps and it is still smooth. With vsync, any drops below 60 FPS display as 20 or 30 FPS which to me is very noticeable meaning you need to play at settings that maintain 60 FPS. I really believe that AMD has held off releasing the 7990 because of this issue and agree with Ryan @ PCPer that this needs to be fixed before this card comes out.

Also, I don't know if you guys are serious, but playing Quake Live (or CS: Source but I'm not as good at that) at the 125 FPS frame limiter with tearing is a lot faster that 60 FPS vsync. I can't lightning gun for my life with vsync on - to me there definitely is a difference (and ping averaging less than 25 ms to the D.C. servers means that the 33 ms lag from two rendered ahead frames @ 60 Hz is significant).

Also, Ryan at PCPer has had an article out about a system very similar to FCAT since January, so I doubt that he is illegitimately taking credit here that isn't due. Of course, I am sure that nVidia made him promise to let other sites use the tech in exchange for their help fixing the programming.

 

[Keysplayr]

Too expensive to compare directly.

What does that have to do with frame rating? Either SLI'd titans stutter or they dont. And why would you automatically think its compared to anything? 7970's perhaps?

 

[3DVagabond]

What does that have to do with frame rating? Either SLI'd titans stutter or they dont. And why would you automatically think its compared to anything? 7970's perhaps?

the 690, 7970 crossfire, and Titan are similar price setups. Or, do you think that's just coincidence?

 

[Imouto]

also, ryan at pcper has had an article out about a system very similar to fcat since january, so i doubt that he is illegitimately taking credit here that isn't due. Of course, i am sure that nvidia made him promise to let other sites use the tech in exchange for their help fixing the programming.

pcper was beta testing fcat a few months before its wider release. They already had the equipment, so when nvidia was ready to try it outside the company it was a good match for them.

asdfasfdasdf.

 

[Fx1]

the 690, 7970 crossfire, and Titan are similar price setups. Or, do you think that's just coincidence?

NO.

7970 CF can be as low as £540 compared to £770 690 GTX £840 Titan.

Im sorry but in my book THIS ISNT the same.

There isnt a 7970 that cant be clocked to GHZ speeds without touching voltage.

A £550 7970 CF with a MSI setup can be had at 1125mhz which would blow away the 690 GTX for £220 saving.

You can have a TRI CF Setup for £810 which is cheaper than Titan and would allow Performance potential far in excess of the Titan and 690 GTX.

 

[3DVagabond]

NO.

7970 CF can be as low as £540 compared to £770 690 GTX £840 Titan.

Im sorry but in my book THIS ISNT the same.

There isnt a 7970 that cant be clocked to GHZ speeds without touching voltage.

A £600 7970 CF with a MSI setup can be had at 1125mhz which would blow away the 690 GTX for £170 saving.

You can have a TRI CF Setup for £810 which is cheaper than Titan and would allow Performance potential far in excess of the Titan and 690 GTX.

I didn't say they were the same. WTF is up with reading comprehension around here?

There are a lot of 7970's at different prices. There's only one 690. Prices are going to vary more on 7970's than the 690, but overall they are "similarly priced". Yes, you can find cheaper 7970 crossfire setups, but you can find some that are more expensive too.

The poster I commented to before you couldn't understand why SLI Titans weren't used in the comparison. It's because they are $2K and these setups are closer to 1/2 that. What's so difficult to understand about all of this?

 

[Fx1]

I didn't say they were the same. WTF is up with reading comprehension around here?

There are a lot of 7970's at different prices. There's only one 690. Prices are going to vary more on 7970's than the 690, but overall they are "similarly priced". Yes, you can find cheaper 7970 crossfire setups, but you can find some that are more expensive too.

The poster I commented to before you couldn't understand why SLI Titans weren't used in the comparison. It's because they are $2K and these setups are closer to 1/2 that. What's so difficult to understand about all of this?

I fully understand. I disagreed with the statement that they were similar priced. Therefor the performance should be a fair comparison. I agree that Titan SLI would be ridiculous and pointless to include in the comparison.

My point was that people often think that the 680 GTX and 7970 are the same price. Currently a 7970 is £275 vs £360 680 GTX.

For the people asking for Titan SLI you can buy 6 x 7970 for that money. including 12 AAA games.

 

[BrightCandle]

For the people asking for Titan SLI you can buy 6 x 7970 for that money. including 12 AAA games.

Comes with 5 runt frames instead of just 1

Would be nice to see triple cards because for a while we have been hearing that three helps reduce the problem and I would kind of like to see that considering that 3 7970s are the same price as 2 680s.