PC game piracy examined

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
You sir are a idiot for the bold part alone.
*snip*

If the rest of your post is based on this statement its not worth reading. But clearly you're a genius because you can selectively highlight a few words and ignore the next 3 while completely miss the point.

You mean to tell me that you couldn't be bother reading a short summery with labeled paragraphs so you can easily skip to the next topic?

Your sir ARE a idiot. Ignoring me won't make the problems your company is facing and thus YOU are facing go away.

 

[ZzZGuy]

To sum up my view, DRM that has no negative effect on a PC (such as security holes, or disabling CD drives) and is invisible to any legit user is fine.

Current EA DRM treats legit users as hostile and this seems to be the only approach considered by EA and other companies. The rental idea is nice, assuming that you can pay full price (minus what you already paid for the rental) to download the game to put onto a CD and not have to worry about any DRM or restrictions. You are nuts if you meant that users should have no choice but to pay $10/$15 month for SP/MP games, MMO's being the exception due to extra costs to the company along with vastly more content (if you like MMO's). Requiring internet access will not work for everyone.

STEAM worked nicely up until recently. Most people don't even think of the STEAM client as DRM because it is that useful. It also offers services such as letting you burn off the game onto a DVD and downloading a up to date version whenever you want. It does not require you to be online to play SP games, though there seem to have been some bugs. The problem recently is that they are including EA style DRM from other companies that completely voids these benefits. If they'd mind to tell these companies to F. off until they agree to 100% remove their DRM then all would be fine.

Impulse works better with for users because you only need it to update a game (though you can still download and install updates outside of impulse), that's it.

I am not saying there should be no DRM, I'm saying that there should be no bad DRM. All PC gaming companies can go crash and burn before I support current EA style DRM because I will no longer be capable of playing any new games made, so it won't matter to me if PC gaming is dead or not because I can't play any of them.

 

[lupi]

another example of why some peoples hair brained ideas about drm are idiotic


Please be advised that NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc. will continue to support
customers of Hellgate: London with online server support and play through
January 31, 2009. In a further gesture of support, we will provide this server
support free of charge to all fans and players of the game up until the shut
down date.

All of us at NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc. appreciate your enthusiasm for
Hellgate: London and look forward to providing you with future entertainment
products.

For questions regarding the shut down or additional information about Hellgate:
London, please visit the game?s official website at www.hellgatelondon.com.

Thanks you,
Namco Bandai Games America Inc.

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy

Originally posted by: chizow

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
You sir are a idiot for the bold part alone.
*snip*

If the rest of your post is based on this statement its not worth reading. But clearly you're a genius because you can selectively highlight a few words and ignore the next 3 while completely miss the point.

You mean to tell me that you couldn't be bother reading a short summery with labeled paragraphs so you can easily skip to the next topic?

Your sir ARE a idiot. Ignoring me won't make the problems your company is facing and thus YOU are facing go away.

LOL yep.

And just for this insult me and my company are gunna maek u a super noob ZzZGuy in Sims 3!!!!! Don't leave your virtuahouse.....someone gonna mug you for your laptop!

 

[chizow]

Originally posted by: lupi
another example of why some peoples hair brained ideas about drm are idiotic


Please be advised that NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc. will continue to support
customers of Hellgate: London with online server support and play through
January 31, 2009. In a further gesture of support, we will provide this server
support free of charge to all fans and players of the game up until the shut
down date.

All of us at NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc. appreciate your enthusiasm for
Hellgate: London and look forward to providing you with future entertainment
products.

For questions regarding the shut down or additional information about Hellgate:
London, please visit the game?s official website at www.hellgatelondon.com.

Thanks you,
Namco Bandai Games America Inc.

Didn't you forfeit your right to post on piracy here? Yes we know HG:L went under and cancelled online service, what's your point? You can still play single player mode without issue. Tabula Rasa went under earlier this year and will be ending service in 2 months also, this is the risk of MMOs as companies stakes their future on finding "the next WoW." They aren't the first MMos to go under, and certainly won't be the last.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: lupi
another example of why some peoples hair brained ideas about drm are idiotic


Please be advised that NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc. will continue to support
customers of Hellgate: London with online server support and play through
January 31, 2009. In a further gesture of support, we will provide this server
support free of charge to all fans and players of the game up until the shut
down date.

All of us at NAMCO BANDAI Games America Inc. appreciate your enthusiasm for
Hellgate: London and look forward to providing you with future entertainment
products.

For questions regarding the shut down or additional information about Hellgate:
London, please visit the game?s official website at www.hellgatelondon.com.

Thanks you,
Namco Bandai Games America Inc.

Do you hate DRM or like DRM?

 

[quadomatic]

The World of Goo example pretty much nullifies any excuse that people have for pirating PC games:

"Greedy corporations don't need more money!" - It was made by a team of 3 people. If you pirate indy games, you sir, are an asshole.

"DRM suxxxx" - There is no DRM.

Stop wishing for a new model, because whatever it is, it's going to suck.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: quadomatic
The World of Goo example pretty much nullifies any excuse that people have for pirating PC games:

"Greedy corporations don't need more money!" - It was made by a team of 3 people. If you pirate indy games, you sir, are an asshole.

"DRM suxxxx" - There is no DRM.

Stop wishing for a new model, because whatever it is, it's going to suck.

Ugh, why did you dig up this cesspool of a thread... chizow might go on another pro-DRM rampage again.

 

[quadomatic]

Dig up? It was on the front page. Unfortunately I didn't realize the last post had been on the 18th...sorry folks.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: mindcycle

Originally posted by: chizow
There's plenty of others who actually care about the future of PC gaming that understand piracy is stealing and ultimately killing the PC gaming industry. These people are the ones who need to be more accepting of more invasive DRM so we can eliminate pirates, thieves and free riders. Or at the very least, isolate pirates as they did to convicts in the 19th century by sending them to Australia.

Accepting invasive DRM is not the answer. Offering greater incentive to buy games is. Stronger DRM, like activation/install limit based SecuROM obviously doesn't stop games from being pirated at this point. So why are companies like EA still using it? They are still using it to try and hinder the used games market by imposing install limits on retail copies, and by tricking their paying customers into buying new copies when they run into problems. Take a look at this error message: http://www.reclaimyourgame.com...ics/securomonspore.jpg

Initially it may have stopped games like Mass Effect from being pirated on release, but it's easily cracked now so it no longer provides that protection. So the reason they still include it with games should be obvious.

Further proof is the fact that EA still hasn't released a de-installation/revoke tool for their flagship games, even though it was promised months ago. Fifa 09 (an EA published game), has had a revoke tool available for awhile now, yet there still isn't one for Spore, Mass Effect, etc.. http://news.bigdownload.com/20...nload-fifa-09-patch-2/

So yes, people need to purchase games and not pirate them to help support the industry, but the industry also needs to realize that more DRM isn't the answer. It's offering things like a gaming community, content updates, patches, etc.. to subscribers who pay for the games. Maybe offer collector's edition like content for the regular retail boxes so there is a greater reason to buy retail over a digital download. Lowing the price of digital downloads. Things like that. Not more roadblocks.

Exactly my thoughts, I'm surprised because I don't think I saw this mentioned earlier. EA et al. would like nothing more than to kill the used game market, or at least grab a piece of the pie if they can't get rid of it. chizow, if you think the activation limits are to prevent piracy and not the sale of used games, you are an idiot.

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