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Harvey

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I call BS! I doubt you could prove anything in your post with credible stats from credible sources. Faux Noise, Lush Limbaugh and other tea tard wingnut sources don't cut it.

credible as defined by you right?

Umm... Since it's me you have to convince, along with the rest of the san e planet who knows how much Faux, Lush and the rest of the wingnut bubble is, YES.

I've read your posts in this forum and your bigoted BS in other threads. You haven't posted anything to substantiate your lame, uninformed opinions, but I know where you copy and paste them from. Unless you can show us somthing real, your credibility and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tzx price of a single item in a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown:

Thankfully i wised up early in life...

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LetsGetReal

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Umm... Since it's me you have to convince, along with the rest of the san e planet who knows how much Faux, Lush and the rest of the wingnut bubble is, YES.

I've read your posts in this forum and your bigoted BS in other threads. You haven't posted anything to substantiate your lame, uninformed opinions, but I know where you copy and paste them from. Unless you can show us somthing real, your credibility and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tzx price of a single item in a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown:



404 - Wisdom not found! :biggrin:

70 years old, still calling names and throwing labels. Wow. Just wow. Lets face it, nobody can convince you of anything. You are a robot at this point, lockstep regurgitation of liberal word salad. You dont even realize what a pawn you have become. I dont blame you, i personally think its genetic. There are followers who think like the group and there are rugged individualists, the stock of which founded this great nation, the constitution and so forth. You are in the group think, the collective. Approval is very important to you. With all due respect to your seniority, I will not try to convince you of anything.
 

Harvey

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70 years old, still calling names and throwing labels.

Ah! And you're reading challenged. I replied that I'm 72. You are the poster child for what happens when the tea tards you supported defunded your education.

Wow. Just wow. Lets face it, nobody can convince you of anything.

You can't post any sources for your lame blather, even when it's requested.
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YOU couldn't convince me, or any other sentient human being of anything.

You are a robot at this point, lockstep regurgitation of liberal word salad. You dont even realize what a pawn you have become.

You're copying and pasting tea tard talking points, you can't post one genuine facte to support your idiocy, let alone any credible source for the facts you're afraid to cite, and you spew that while accusing me of "calling names and throwing labels."

Excuse me, but BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! :biggrin:

I dont blame you, i personally think its genetic.

Ummm.... Your bigotry is showing yet again! Exactly what genetic trait would you be referencing? Take your time. I know you're slow, and big words confuse you.

There are followers who think like the group...

Pot, meet kettle. :p

... and there are rugged individualists, the stock of which founded this great nation, the constitution and so forth.

When's the last time you read the Constitution? Among other things I've done, I've been to Law School, and I'm very interested Constitutional issues. I have great discussions with my sister, the California Appellate Court judge who taught Constitutional issues and was lead council in several First Amendment cases, my brother-in-law, another attorney, and one of my best friends, an engineer who's very well versed in patent and trademark issues, and as a holder of patents and copyrights, I'm pretty up to speed on those issues, as well, and for my most recent patent, I wrote my own patent application and was granted all 52 claims of my application.

How far did you get in school, and what have you done in your life with whatever you think you learned? :confused:

You are in the group think, the collective. Approval is very important to you. With all due respect to your seniority, I will not try to convince you of anything.

What you don't know jack sh8 about me, and you're not intellectually or ethically qualified to convince any rational human being of anything. :rolleyes:

Be grateful for Obamacare. It may pay for the help you so obviously need to deal with that medical condition of yours called "Anal-Cranial Insertion." ^_^
 

MrPickins

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learn some manners and worry about your self not what other people are doing. The thread's relevant and interesting if you dont like it dont click on it. It doesnt make any difference how old a thread is. Get over your self.

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LetsGetReal

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Ya harvey, I know you said you are 72, I just rounded down, thought you would appreciate it. It just makes it more comical anyway, 72 and still having pissing matches online. Add to that all your 'accomplishments' and its even more laughable how you choose to now spend your once overpriced time.

You keep claiming that I am copying and pasting something, and you know where it comes from. Please post the quotes from the websites I copy and paste from. *hint, you wont be able to because my posts are my own words.

Brag much online? haha You must have felt quite insecure to be moved to type a big paragraph on who you know and what theyve done and what youve done leading into a nice ad hominem. *note thats what the loser does in any debate. Ill leave the apostrophes off my contractions so you have something legitamate to make yourself feel good about noticing and correcting me on. Maybe you can find some spelling mistakes too for extra credit.

As far as convincing anyone of anything, well, I wont have to because you have already embarrassed yourself enough with your typical conflated emotional liberal rant. How much have you had to drink tonight anyway? haha.

You keep mentioning conservative talk show hosts to serve as strawmen for you. They arent my heroes, but keep trying to put me in a group if it makes you feel safer. Thats how you liberals think. Groups. All the while protesting putting people in groups and putting labels on them, preaching tolerance etc. How hypocritical.

Im not going to brag online about my accomplishments except to say I havent sold my soul to the machine, and I've realized the great battle this nation is in which is more than I can say for you. You speak of the constitution yet everything liberals believe in goes against it. Legislating from the bench. What are your conversations like? How to legislate from the bench? How to 'interpret' it to make it favorable to the leftist regime? How to make some nice 'case law' that can be used later by some other leftist judge in some other case?

Yes Ive read the constitution, the irony being the purpose of the constitution is to control and limit the governments behavior, not the people, something the left is always trying to work around. What about free speech? How are you liking that right about now? Do you want to call it 'hate speech' and create a law against it to punish people who think differently than you, who have arrived at different conclusions than you have? Of course you do, you are a liberal?

Yes I actually know a lot about you. Because you freely post it here in this forum, and because there are so many like you in the world. Ive met many such as yourself. For starters, I notice you love to say how you think you are better than everyone, so superior, so intelligent, so full of your self. You arent what you think you are. I hate to be the one to tell you that since sociopaths get dangerous when their delusion is challenged. It doesnt matter anyway, the only thing that matters is the substance of your argument which is pretty much non-existent once all the self centered drivel is taken away.

You think there arent as many lawyers on the other side, just as accomplished, just as opinionated that disagree with the liberal world view? What of them? Are you oh so superior to them as well?

Your elite leftist arrogance is typical. What did you call it, 'education', don't you mean 'brainwashed'. What was that word you used, 'ethically qualified'?. Ironic word choice from a lawyer don't you think? They are the least ethical group on the planet and Im sure the majoriy of americans would agree in an anonymous poll. It would have to be anonymous to be accurate because people would be too afraid to answer honestly in public. That alone proves the point.

Does the word 'genetic' frighten you? or do you just want others to be afraid so you can control them? Typical liberal conflation. You guys love your buzz words. It scares the followers and keeps them nice and maleable.

The theory that I speak of is just a way to possibly explain how equally educated and intelligent people can disagree so diametrically and so equally across the entire planet. Do you know what ethnicity I am? Who is sterotyping who? You are. Shame on you liberal. Heres some fodder for you. If you like lawyers, someone I do like is Larry Elder. While I dont agree with some things and he certainly wouldn't agree with some of my views, its a good place for you to start if you are sincere in understanding the other side. If your pride wont let you accept it from me, maybe you will consider his viewpoint since he is one of your own. (a lawyer)

Regarding fake stats liberals like to use the unemployment stats. They use the number of people collecting unemployment insurance to show how many people are unemployed. This stat shows the economy doing much better than it actually is. What about the people who use up all their unemployment and still cant get a job? They dont show up on that stat. As a lawyer you know that stats can be used to prove anything so dont play dumb. You know politicians use fake stats to control the minds of the masses especially those carrying the gullible lliberal follower gene.

Getting back to the topic of this thread, as far as facts, its well known the stat for women making less than men is just the difference between the average full time earnings of all working men and women. Even you should be able to see that this does not show discrimination since it doesnt take into consideration the hours worked or chosen profession and a myriad of other variables. To say that women make less money FOR THE SAME WORK, is false to be sure and at least safe to say is not supported.
 
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Because the man will show up for work, not expect favors, take responsibility for himself, accept accountabilty, not falsely accuse his coworkers of sexual harrassment, not distract his male coworkers with sexually provocative clothing / behavior. Would anyone care to add to the list? Plus a man can be fired for low performance. If you fire a woman shell say its because shes a woman and he sexually harrassed me made me feel uncomfortable inssert vindictive excuse here. etc etc.

Given your stage name apparently you're into cheap irony?
 
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This is all bullshit. Women are always taking off to have babies or have a baby without being married and just don't come back half the time. Then often Women get married to some well-to-do guy and just up and quit their job. Women often are the cause of the gender gap.

Damn those wimmins! Damn them I say! Damned wimmins!

Apparently you never had a mother/sister/daughter/grandma/female friend?
 

LetsGetReal

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Im new never been on here before. Ironically I found this site because I was searching for info on the new 'fair paycheck law' aka "the law that makes it easy to claim discrimination even when there is no discrimination law." and this thread was one of the results in google. So i clicked it and wanted to reply so I signed up. It seemed relevant and I didnt check the dates, I wouldnt have cared anyway because its interesting to me and if not to others they dont have to click on it. Mods can always lock threads if they dont want them ressurected so whats the big deal, just petty whining.
 

LetsGetReal

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Given your stage name apparently you're into cheap irony?


you dont think my list of reasons has any truth to it? Lets get real here! Its common and typical. It happens constantly in workplaces around the nation, how can you deny it. Of course not all, but more often than not IMO.
 

Zaap

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Im new never been on here before. Ironically I found this site because I was searching for info on the new 'fair paycheck law' aka "the law that makes it easy to claim discrimination even when there is no discrimination law." and this thread was one of the results in google. So i clicked it and wanted to reply so I signed up. It seemed relevant and I didnt check the dates, I wouldnt have cared anyway because its interesting to me and if not to others they dont have to click on it. Mods can always lock threads if they dont want them ressurected so whats the big deal, just petty whining.

Eh,.pay no attention to the leftloon circlejerk. It's just what they do.

Had you been another leftloon robot necro'ing some ancient thread bashing conservatives they'd be all giddy for it.

Meanwhile this issue was all over the news today, so still perfectly relevant.

One thing about leftloon issues- they're pretty much ALWAYS current issues. Libs *NEVER* actually solve any problem or settle any issue, and doing so is actually their biggest fear.(Then what the hell will they have to emote faux outrage over?) Its ironic how "progressives" never "progress".

Lefties will still be whining about racism in 2114 like its still 1954. They'll still be claiming we need an equal pay act for women in 2214. They'll still be screaming about McJobs and snivelling over the 1% making more money than them in 2314.

In 2414 the 958 gazillion dollar deficit won't be due to too much spending according to future leftloons, but that the 96% tax rate on the 15% of the population that still has a job isn't high enough.

They'll be calling for laser gun control in 2514. They'll still be wringing their hands demanding an out of control govt. shackle everyone with failed 19th century economic ideas in the 27th century.

800 years after abortion was made legal they'll be acting like it will be taken away in the next instant if someone that doesn't tow the statist line is elected. 900 years on and leftists will still be sucking big govt cock and begging for more.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Yes, nothing like getting government to mandate the cultivation of in-workplace envy to foment a rebellion against the greedy overlords.

I hope I get fired if I ever treat my employer like that, given how good they've been to me.

If I treated my employer like they treat me and others they would croak because of it. They routinely go after people because they can. It's a horrible company. "The Free Market" means they can do whatever they please because the job situation has become such that there aren't other places to work for. That means abuse, and lots of it.

Regarding the legislation, discussing pay ought not to be grounds for termination. Ever.

The "woman" issue is pandering for votes, since as has been already demonstrated the difference is not sex, but time put in to the job.
 

michal1980

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No, I'm saying that some contributions to society are taken for granted when they shouldn't be.

There is no need to go over your extreme hatred of women again, so don't expect me to play that game.

so if I work for a company for 10 years. but a woman does 8 because she had a kid, we should get paid the same amount because, well, we have to pay her for the kid time off?
 

OverVolt

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If I treated my employer like they treat me and others they would croak because of it. They routinely go after people because they can. It's a horrible company. "The Free Market" means they can do whatever they please because the job situation has become such that there aren't other places to work for. That means abuse, and lots of it.

Regarding the legislation, discussing pay ought not to be grounds for termination. Ever.

The "woman" issue is pandering for votes, since as has been already demonstrated the difference is not sex, but time put in to the job.

Discussing pay is really not a good idea IMO. People are jealous and bitchy enough if you have the office with the window or your department has a fancier coffee maker and other BS. It would be 2x worse if people were comparing paychecks, often there is a reason.

I feel you though because of pharmacy world.
 

Veliko

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so if I work for a company for 10 years. but a woman does 8 because she had a kid, we should get paid the same amount because, well, we have to pay her for the kid time off?

You don't really seem to have understood the point he was making.

The problem is that you are taking a very narrow view of things. At one time your mother would have been that nefarious woman who took time off to look after her kid and so will your current/future girlfriend/wife at some point.
 

OverVolt

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You don't really seem to have understood the point he was making.

The problem is that you are taking a very narrow view of things. At one time your mother would have been that nefarious woman who took time off to look after her kid and so will your current/future girlfriend/wife at some point.

Everyone gets the same amount of sicktime. I don't see the big deal. Like a days wage is going to make or break you.
 

Matt1970

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Umm... Since it's me you have to convince, along with the rest of the san e planet who knows how much Faux, Lush and the rest of the wingnut bubble is, YES.

I've read your posts in this forum and your bigoted BS in other threads. You haven't posted anything to substantiate your lame, uninformed opinions, but I know where you copy and paste them from. Unless you can show us somthing real, your credibility and a dollar bill aren't worth the pre-tzx price of a single item in a 99 Cents Store. :thumbsdown:



404 - Wisdom not found! :biggrin:

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to change your sig.
 

dank69

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Thankfully i wised up early in life and never had to deal with this first hand. Ive however known and listened to enough guys living the nightmare. The nightmare begins with the female on a mission to get pregnant with the ulterior motive of getting the kid and court awarded free money, the house etc, kick the guy out and do what she wants. But you already know that only pretending its something else to preserve your own kinds self interest. I dont blame you, when you have nothing to offer you have to trap a man and become a parasite. Since society encourages it now, why not. Its our own fault for letting it get to this point. Just as in mathematics though, every problem has its own solution. When society implodes, we start again and have learned a lesson from history. (the present)
How old are you?
 

michal1980

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You don't really seem to have understood the point he was making.

The problem is that you are taking a very narrow view of things. At one time your mother would have been that nefarious woman who took time off to look after her kid and so will your current/future girlfriend/wife at some point.

please explain his point then.

Because other then feel good babble I fail to see it.

Women taking time off doesn't make them nefarious. Its just the reality of the world, if they take time off they 'fall' behind in pay. And its not even falling behind, its just treading water until they return to work.

Your asking for wage equality, yet at the same time are advocating something completely different. equal pay for equal work should mean just that, and the truth is we are nearly there.

Liberals always provide themselves on being fact based. Yet when it comes to this issue they just choice to ignore facts.

eskimospy likes to quote studies and facts. but here he just goes to the typical emotional well.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._that_women_make_77_cents_to_every_man_s.html

http://freakonomics.com/2010/01/28/...-goldin-and-katz-on-the-male-female-wage-gap/

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101565453

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christina-hoff-sommers/wage-gap_b_2073804.html


need more?
 

Veliko

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I did explain it by pointing out that the woman who receives less pay will, at some point, be someone related to you. By making it equal everyone will benefit.

You've provided some links that state the difference is a myth and yet you yourself have said "we are nearly there" which implies it isn't a myth.
 

Pr0d1gy

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A guaranteed income would render this, and so much more, completely moot. It's time to move forward with your thinking. You are being trapped in a 19th-20th century thought pattern which is so far behind the issues we are dealing with in the present. What will it matter who is getting paid more when Robby Robot is doing your job better than you for 24 hours a day?
 

Atreus21

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Why?

Why is a person's income not their personal information, to share or not to share, as they see fit?

If you read the link, the issue is not just that it prohibits businesses from punishing coworkers from discussing their salaries, but also that it forces them to show that pay disparity results from job performance, all to assuage the repeatedly-discredited wage gap.

I don't think it should be a major offense for employees to discuss their salaries, but I think employers ought to be given discretion in how they handle their own company policy. It's their company. There are some rules to abide by. Asking that employees not discuss the company's pay decisions (as the company considers them confidential) is not a back-breaking request.