Paul Ryan: Obama Win Given By 'Urban' Areas

SheHateMe

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Urban areas tend to be population centers in practically every state. Why would Ryan think that isn't a place to look for voters? Rural voters aren't enough to win an election. Besides, it can't be some huge "Obama's suppressing the vote" thing since they lost a lot of rural white votes in states that went blue on Election night.

In one of a series of first interviews following the loss by Ryan and Mitt Romney last Tuesday, Ryan told the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, "Well, he got turnout. The president should get credit for achieving record-breaking turnout numbers from urban areas for the most part, and that did win the election for him." Ryan repeated the line to local station WISC-TV.

But Politico's James Hohmann notes that the Romney-Ryan ticket also lost predominately white and rural states like Iowa and New Hampshire, and underperformed in Midwestern states.

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Ausm

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Yeah he got his ass handed to him in Wisconsin by major urban areas like Rhinelander and Wausau ...LMAO what a fucking tool!
 

EagleKeeper

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He is correct.
The big block of electoral votes that made life easy for Obama came from states that have a large urban population center or two the overwhelmed the amount of rural area voters.
 

mshan

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Romney Ryan got 2 million fewer votes than Palin McLame '08 (Obama's margin in 2012 is over 3 million votes and almost, not quite, is 51% to 48% with about 1.5% to third party candidates)

Looks like Obama campaign was planning for an extremely tight election, just squeaking by around 270 range:

"The offline operation is just as cutting-edge. Messina&#8217;s plan is not to go after every state Obama carried in 2008; instead he will be content to recapture the 251 electoral votes that John Kerry won in 2004 and build from there. He sees five paths to 270, several of which hinge on the president increasing his margins among Latinos, the fastest-growing subset of the electorate. &#8220;One of the defining issues of the Republican primary has been the complete race to demagogue immigrants, and there will be a price to pay politically for that kind of rhetoric,&#8221; Messina told me. &#8220;The Latino vote will be absolutely crucial in this election.&#8221;


The West Path would add Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada to the Kerry states, for 272 electoral votes.

The Florida Path would add just Florida, for 275.

The South Path runs through North Carolina and Virginia (274 electoral votes), while

the Midwest Path includes Ohio and Iowa (270 electoral votes). Finally, there&#8217;s

the Expansion Path: Obama carries all the Kerry states except blue-collar Pennsylvania and libertarian New Hampshire, then compensates with victories in Colorado, Nevada, New Mexico, and John McCain&#8217;s home state of Arizona, which was uncontested in 2008, for obvious reasons."

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/01/01/inside-president-obama-s-reelection-machine.html

They planned for 2004 type campaign, even though they hoped for and got / exceeded 2008.



Romney campaign assumed they could just unskew the polls (2010 midterms turnout) and they would win in electoral college landslide (Sam Wang over at Princeton Election Consortium said those Colorado professors who were predicting Romney landslide blamed it all on Sandy, instead of their disingenuously biased methodology:
All this election season, I have pointed out that a transparent statistical snapshot of state polls gives the clearest look at the ups and downs of the Presidential race. Nonetheless pundits, especially on the right, asserted that pollsters as a whole were biased &#8211; even attempting to &#8220;unskew&#8221; the bias. However, the bias in state polls turned out to be close to zero &#8211; certainly less than 1.0%, based on Florida. To pollsters in 2012, the state-level problem is a correctly solved problem.

However, the same cannot be said of national polls. In final surveys, the national average* Presidential margin was Obama +0.31 +/- 0.37% (mean +/- SEM). The actual margin is currently Obama +2.74%. Therefore on average, national polls were biased by 2.4 +/- 0.4% toward Mitt Romney.

With this number in hand, it is now possible to perform the ultimate unskewing &#8211; bringing polls into alignment with reality by adjusting them toward Obama. Here, then, is the &#8220;first draft of electoral history&#8221; at the national level.

finalunskewing2012_500px_b.jpg


From this graph, three facts are evident:

President Obama led national opinion on every single day of the final two months of the campaign.

During this period, the only event to meaningfully move national opinion was Debate #1, which led Mitt Romney to close two-thirds of a 6-point gap between him and President Obama &#8211; overnight. Some of this gain was reversed in the closing two weeks of the campaign.

Sandy&#8217;s measurable effect on opinion was no more than 1.0%, and even this might have reversed by Election Day.

So Bickers and Berry&#8217;s claim that &#8220;the president clearly benefited from the &#8216;October surprise&#8217; of Superstorm Sandy&#8221; is unsupported by data. I am developing doubts about their analytical neutrality. A second piece of evidence is that most econometric models pointed in the opposite direction to theirs. A prominent example is the prior that informed Drew Linzer&#8217;s analysis at Votamatic.com.


http://election.princeton.edu/2012/11/12/the-final-unskewing/
 
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edro

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Since when is this news?

Liberals and minorities have always been known to concentrate in urban areas.
 

lotus503

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He is correct.
The big block of electoral votes that made life easy for Obama came from states that have a large urban population center or two the overwhelmed the amount of rural area voters.

This is good news, as population increases and urban sprawl continues the demographic will trend democrat. rural areras decreasing, urban populations increasing. Just another front the GOP is losing on.
 

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This is good news, as population increases and urban sprawl continues the demographic will trend democrat. rural areras decreasing, urban populations increasing. Just another front the GOP is losing on.
At what point will the population realizes that Robin Hood is also sneaking in to pick their pockets at night after handing them the bag of gold in the daytime :confused:
 

lotus503

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At what point will the population realizes that Robin Hood is also sneaking in to pick their pockets at night after handing them the bag of gold in the daytime :confused:

About the same time they realize that the entire political system is a farce and that no real solutions will come from it.
 

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BIG political machines run urban areas. If you work in a union and vote GOP your dues are going to Dem machine anyway. Unions in CA and NY are reason they are cooked gooses that will lose all political diversity to those who always self-servingly call for diversity - and then spend into the ground. The electoral college exists in part because of how urban centers get ahead of other areas.
 

Steeplerot

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Yeah he got his ass handed to him in Wisconsin by major urban areas like Rhinelander and Wausau ...LMAO what a fucking tool!


GOP loses the mighty Rhineland? Again?

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Things are tough all over for righties.
 

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Obama won the urban vote because that's where human culture evolves and spreads from. The density of contact and personal interactions between multitudes of different people create dense and developed neuronal connections. It's what kills prejudice and small team mentality and supports secular consciousness that your welfare makes my welfare better, that we are all in one big ship together. And it's happening all over the globe. The hive mind and parallel processing at it's finest.
 

techs

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How dare cities vote! And how dare their votes count as much as the real Americans who live in rural areas.

I think we are on to something here.
 

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The big block of electoral votes that made life easy for Obama came from states that have a large urban population center or two the overwhelmed the amount of rural area voters.
That may be true but Ryan in incorrect when he states:
"I don't think we lost it on those budget issues, especially Medicare,..
then goes on to attribute Obama's victory to the urban turnout. He implies that urban voters didn't vote on those issues. He's 100% wrong; people soundly rejected his budget ideas. The fact that more who disagreed with him live in cities than in rural areas is to his claim that his positions didn't affect the election. It's yet another attempt invalidate the opinions of those voters who disagreed with him.
 
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then goes on to attribute Obama's victory to the urban turnout. He implies that urban voters didn't vote on those issues. He's 100% wrong; people soundly rejected his budget ideas. The fact that more who disagreed with him live in cities than in rural areas is to his claim that his positions didn't affect the election. It's yet another attempt invalidate the opinions of those voters who disagreed with him.
Not really, the urban voters probably voted for Obama because they think Obama's black... I don't think Medicare was the first thing on their minds.
 

sm625

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If every disability check is worth one vote, he'd win in a landslide. Obama is a crook who borrowed 5 trillion and gave 90% of it to wall street. But since he put the other 10% towards placating the masses and buying votes ala food stamps and disability checks, I guess it makes him a frickin hero and a saint. My god this country is so far beyond brain dead.... It is a page right out of a tyrants handbook. But since people cant read, it works only too well.
 

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How dare cities vote! And how dare their votes count as much as the real Americans who live in rural areas.

I think we are on to something here.

Funny that there were recently a couple of threads where the Democrats were claiming that their votes it the city should count more than the rural.

Pa for example.

Dems apparently do not believe in a government by the people for the people.
 

spidey07

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He won the urban free shit army vote handily, that's for sure. Food stamp president lives up to his name.
 

lotus503

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And I'll take that as you haven't stopped sucking dick for money yet.

One is a situation based in fact, the other yoru fantasy.

What is it with RW loons and dick anyways? you guys never miss a chance to bring gay sex into the conversation.