Pat Robertson says "take out Chavez"

[Anubis]

who is Chavez?

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: shuan24
Is that how you define terrorism? What about the Christian extremists who go out and beat the crap out of gays? Those "heathens" are viewed in the same light as we are to the Islamic extremists (sp?).

Actually, if you knew anything about what Christianity teaches, you'd know that those who "hate gays" are not following the teachings of Christ. The "nutjobs" who actually beat gays are probably the same nutjobs who watch Pat Robertson's show as an indoctrinational refresher course.

Originally posted by: Fausto
My statement stands as is; he's a prominent christian advocating, or at the very least approving, murder. The spin on the subject is irrelevant.

Well that's just it. You're "spinning" words into his mouth. If you approve of that, you're no better than what you're accusing him of being.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Anubis
who is Chavez?

Pres of Venezuela. Google news for more info.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: shuan24
Is that how you define terrorism? What about the Christian extremists who go out and beat the crap out of gays? Those "heathens" are viewed in the same light as we are to the Islamic extremists (sp?).

Actually, if you knew anything about what Christianity teaches, you'd know that those who "hate gays" are not following the teachings of Christ. The "nutjobs" who actually beat gays are probably the same nutjobs who watch Pat Robertson's show as an indoctrinational refresher course.

I'm not arguing that Roberson is or is not a nutjob. Most of us here are aware of this. What I am saying is that he is a prominent christian figure whether you or I like it or not. He has a very large viewership and there are plenty out there listening and absorbing what he's saying. From his own website:

The 700 Club is a mix of news and commentary, interviews, feature stories, and Christian ministry. Seen in 95 percent of the television markets across the United States, the program is carried on ABC Family Channel cable network, FamilyNet, Trinity Broadcasting Network, and numerous U.S. television stations and is seen daily by approximately one million viewers. WorldReach broadcasts, which include the international editions of The 700 Club, have been viewed in more than 70 foreign languages, can be seen in more than 200 countries, and are accessible throughout the year by more than 1.5 billion people around the world.

Originally posted by: Fausto
My statement stands as is; he's a prominent christian advocating, or at the very least approving, murder. The spin on the subject is irrelevant.

Well that's just it. You're "spinning" words into his mouth. If you approve of that, you're no better than what you're accusing him of being.

You're giving this guy a pass and I'm the one spinning the issue? I typed out the core of the story at hand. Twice. You can dance around it all you like.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Well, I know the 700 Club is a long standing program with followers, but there are far more people following non-700-Club wacko-ness than there are those who do.

You and the "core of the story" seem to be a little mixed up. Have you ever been in a situation where someone may do something with several possibilities of getting it done while you commented on the "lesser of evils" in getting it done? If you profess to be Christian, are you then not allowed to speak of anything but the absolute elite of moral decisions? It basicaly just boils down to anti-christian sentiment again. Folks ignore his show all the time while he spouts crap that directly flies in the face of what the Bible teaches but as soon as he says something political or social, oh my fvcking god stop the presses and twist it all around, disregarding all possible understanding and logical explanations of what he could have meant besides what we want to think he means so we can continue the attack!

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Nik
Well, I know the 700 Club is a long standing program with followers, but there are far more people following non-700-Club wacko-ness than there are those who do.

Correct. Just like there are many more normal non-violent Muslims out there than there are extremist pilots.

You and the "core of the story" seem to be a little mixed up. Have you ever been in a situation where someone may do something with several possibilities of getting it done while you commented on the "lesser of evils" in getting it done? If you profess to be Christian, are you then not allowed to speak of anything but the absolute elite of moral decisions? It basicaly just boils down to anti-christian sentiment again. Folks ignore his show all the time while he spouts crap that directly flies in the face of what the Bible teaches but as soon as he says something political or social, oh my fvcking god stop the presses and twist it all around, disregarding all possible understanding and logical explanations of what he could have meant besides what we want to think he means so we can continue the attack!

If you don't understand why people outside of his viewership are taking notice of this and other statements, I'd say our discussion is relatively pointless.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Nik
Pat Robertson is far from an accepted speaker for mainstream Christianity. He's just another wacko extremist nutjob.

With a bigass viewing audience for his show.

No different from Muqtada al-Sadr and those other well-followed hate-spewing nutjobs in the east. Two identical ships sailing under different flags.

You mean like the guys Britain is in the process of deporting? There's a thought.....

True, but when was the last time you heard about somebody claiming to be Christian and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christ?

Roberts is calling for the death of Chavez. These idiot muslim clerics are calling for the death of Americans. Perversion of Islam led to 9/11, I don't see how this is potentially any different.

I think you're missing his point. Robertson's point was that if the US intends to do something about Chavez, we need to do it without starting another 2 billion dollar war. If we're going to do something about it, just sneak in and assassinate him. I think he, along with pretty much everyone else in the country, agrees that we don't need another war. That's the point he was making.

He wasn't saying OMG WE NEED TO KILL THIS MOFUGGER RIGHT NOW, like certain bias individuals want you to believe.

You can frame it any way you like, but the bottom line is that a prominent Christian leader said, quite plainly, that he's okay with murder for political purposes. I can't see how or why this topic is defensible.

How about a link and a quote instead of this paraphrasing.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Fausto
If you don't understand why people outside of his viewership are taking notice of this and other statements, I'd say our discussion is relatively pointless.

My statement still stands as is. The spin on the subject is irrelevant. 😉

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
How about a link and a quote instead of this paraphrasing.

That's why I asked if the actual 700 Club segment was viewed instead of reading F.U.D. from news sites. If you watch the segment, it is very obvious that he's making a point about not having another war and not spending money, suggesting other ways of going about it if the government absolutely must do something. He's not advocating murder, he's making a few good points.

Hell we didn't need this huge war in Iraq either and Robertson's point about sending in a covert-ops team for assassination can apply to S.H. just as well, minus the extremely huge bill and the costly valuable lives of our soldiers.

 

[shuan24]

Originally posted by: Nik
Hell we didn't need this huge war in Iraq either and Robertson's point about sending in a covert-ops team for assassination can apply to S.H. just as well, minus the extremely huge bill and the costly valuable lives of our soldiers.

Why don't we apply that to everyday life? Instead of police catching criminals, they should just shoot them to save us taxpayer's money and reduce the risk of the policeman's life.

I don't think the context in which he said it was relevant, the mere suggestion of assassinating a politician is not exactly the most tolerable way in dealing with diplomacy. (an d neither is war) Especially in a religious light.

 

[Mermaidman]

That Hugo Chavez guy is smart.

He is scoring cheap political points by offering to send soldiers, supplies, money, and cheap oil to the USA to help with hurricane recovery.

BRILLIANT!