Pat Robertson: Haiti earthquake is divine retribution for a pact with the devil

[AreaCode707]

I agree. This forum is not the place to gain Wisdom, it is the place to dispense Wisdom.

Mm, not finding it in what you dispense either.

Just fyi, I'm a born again charismatic Christian, jr and sr high youth leader, have been on the board at my church, gone on several mission trips, believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and am well versed in church history. I grew up in the church, raised by Godly parents, and have had a personal relationship with my Savior for almost as long as I can remember. You strike me as somebody who respects credentials, so I give you mine.

1. You are arrogant in how you approach spreading the gospel, considering yourself better than others. The Lord loves a humble spirit. You are also not better than anyone on this board. You are a sinner equal to all the rest of the world, the only difference between you and others being (presumably) that you've accepted God's gift of grace. That should make you more humble, recognizing how short you fall of perfection, not more arrogant and able to accuse others of fault.

2. God is no respecter of persons. He does not judge on political party affiliation, nor is Democrat or Liberal synonymous with heathen. I am neither dem nor liberal so I am not defending myself here, just stating a truth. If anything the Republican party is a closer comparison the Pharisees that Christ rebukes in the Bible.

3. Your role as a Christian is to help others understand and access the gospel of Christ, which is that he extends his offer of grace to all. Your posts on this forum are intended to put others down, to stand in judgment over them, which puts people on the defensive and burns the bridges between you and them. Those are the bridges you need to cross in order to deliver the gospel. Therefore you are failing to live out the Great Commission, as well as failing in the command to love your neighbor as yourself. You clearly love yourself much more than you love any of your neighbors on this forum.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Mm, not finding it in what you dispense either.

Just fyi, I'm a born again charismatic Christian, jr and sr high youth leader, have been on the board at my church, gone on several mission trips, believe the Bible to be the Word of God, and am well versed in church history. I grew up in the church, raised by Godly parents, and have had a personal relationship with my Savior for almost as long as I can remember. You strike me as somebody who respects credentials, so I give you mine.

My mission is business. I was raised a Catholic but didn’t accept Christ until my late teens.

1. You are arrogant in how you approach spreading the gospel, considering yourself better than others. The Lord loves a humble spirit. You are also not better than anyone on this board. You are a sinner equal to all the rest of the world, the only difference between you and others being (presumably) that you've accepted God's gift of grace. That should make you more humble, recognizing how short you fall of perfection, not more arrogant and able to accuse others of fault.

Remember where we are. My purpose here is different that yours. You show them Christ’s kindness and I’ll show them his power.

I believe that many people are looking for is a path to victory. We are going to need warriors in the days ahead. These warriors will most likely come form the camp of the Heathen.

2. God is no respecter of persons. He does not judge on political party affiliation, nor is Democrat or Liberal synonymous with heathen. I am neither dem nor liberal so I am not defending myself here, just stating a truth. If anything the Republican party is a closer comparison the Pharisees that Christ rebukes in the Bible.

I have linked the Liberals/Democrats/Heathens because of the issue of abortion. Get that wrong, and it’s likely your group is wrong on every single other thing. Am I wrong?

3. Your role as a Christian is to help others understand and access the gospel of Christ, which is that he extends his offer of grace to all. Your posts on this forum are intended to put others down, to stand in judgment over them, which puts people on the defensive and burns the bridges between you and them. Those are the bridges you need to cross in order to deliver the gospel. Therefore you are failing to live out the Great Commission, as well as failing in the command to love your neighbor as yourself. You clearly love yourself much more than you love any of your neighbors on this forum.

We are nearing the time when you and me will be leaving this Earth, for a short time. You win the nice people, I will offer the Heathen warriors a chance to join an army that will never be defeated.

 

[AreaCode707]

Remember where we are. My purpose here is different that yours. You show them Christ’s kindness and I’ll show them his power.

1 Cor 9
I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

The world we live in is all about power; do you really think that you're going to have any success by touting power?

And also, I don't know if you can recognize this, but you've placed yourself in a position where you appear completely ridiculous and powerless. People who read your posts aren't seeing power, they're seeing clown.

I believe that many people are looking for is a path to victory. We are going to need warriors in the days ahead. These warriors will most likely come form the camp of the Heathen.

Words like heathen are incredibly hostile, just so you know. And if you're on a recruiting mission, you are far from successful.

I have linked the Liberals/Democrats/Heathens because of the issue of abortion. Get that wrong, and it’s likely your group is wrong on every single other thing. Am I wrong?

Yes, you're wrong. None of us have our beliefs right. There is no way to be absolutely correct on all points. If abortion is their point of error, yours is believing that God punishes innocents using weather.

"If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, you shall be saved." Wherever else you may be in error, even if it's as something horrific as murder, that does not taint God's ability to reach you with his grace.

We are nearing the time when you and me will be leaving this Earth, for a short time. You win the nice people, I will offer the Heathen warriors a chance to join an army that will never be defeated.

You're not winning anyone, and instead you're isolating many. Your very best course of action is go find yourself an older adult mentor that is willing to work with you on a few points:
- Theological soundness; your theology is from contemporary right wing culture, and not Biblically founded.
- Relating to people; you are offputting and offensive
- Humility; you are arrogant and holier-than-thou
- Spiritual warfare; impacting the world through prayer rather than frenzied words spoken into the void

 

[jackschmittusa]

AreaCode707

I find your post refreshing. I was well indoctrinated in Christian beliefs as a child. Though I later in life rejected such notions, you very much represent what I came to understand was the way to lead a Christian life.

Since it enriches your life, I wish you well with it, now and in the future.

People like Avvocato Effetti irritate me no end for at least the reasons you mentioned. His claims to know the mind of god do suggest that he has placed himself on a high pedestal.

As I understood it, the god of the OT was the god of wrath, Christ bringing the new covenant to reveal the god of love and peace. So to my mind, people claiming that god just rubs people out when he gets mad marks them as false witnesses.

So, while I am as sure that I that I will never believe in a god again as I am that I will never believe in the Easter Bunny again either, I think that I understand what being a Christian should be about if you choose to believe and find fault with those that shout the loudest and still don't measure up.

I hope all of this makes some kind of sense.

 

[Muse]

As Denilfloss duly noted, Pat Robertson is a "douche."

- Muse, out!

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Quote:
1 Cor 9
I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.

Amen.

Quote: The world we live in is all about power; do you really think that you're going to have any success by touting power?

And also, I don't know if you can recognize this, but you've placed yourself in a position where you appear completely ridiculous and powerless. People who read your posts aren't seeing power, they're seeing clown.

Seems to me that these gratuitous anti Christian threads, like this one, lose steam quickly when they run up against power. Jesus said turn the other cheek, which Pat has done. Jesus didn’t say he had to keep enduring the crap the Liberals/Democrats/heathens keep coming up with. Jesus sent me to defend Pat.

Quote:
Words like heathen are incredibly hostile, just so you know. And if you're on a recruiting mission, you are far from successful.

The use of heathen by me is not as a gratuitous pejorative. It is an apt description of the position of many in this thread.

Quote:
Yes, you're wrong. None of us have our beliefs right. There is no way to be absolutely correct on all points. If abortion is their point of error, yours is believing that God punishes innocents using weather.

So you don't dispute that they are in sin with regard to abortion?

I never said God punished anyone with weather.

Quote:"If you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart that Jesus is Lord, you shall be saved." Wherever else you may be in error, even if it's as something horrific as murder, that does not taint God's ability to reach you with his grace.

Amen.

Quote:
You're not winning anyone, and instead you're isolating many.

Really? There are many hearts that are spinning as a result of my preaching on this forum.

Your very best course of action is go find yourself an older adult mentor that is willing to work with you on a few points:
Theological soundness; your theology is from contemporary right wing culture, and not Biblically founded.

I have quoted scripture. The Word of God is the source of my power.

- Relating to people; you are offputting and offensive

I’ll accept that criticism. Remember where we are. We are not in someones home in a friendly social setting. We are on a forum where avowed and proven opponents to Christ roam free. The heathens are intelligent and well versed in the ways of corrupting young hearts.

- Humility; you are arrogant and holier-than-thou

I am God’s son. If you fine that arrogant, so be it.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

people claiming that god just rubs people out when he gets mad

No one has said that.

 

[AreaCode707]

Seems to me that these gratuitous anti Christian threads, like this one, lose steam quickly when they run up against power. Jesus said turn the other cheek, which Pat has done. Jesus didn’t say he had to keep enduring the crap the Liberals/Democrats/heathens keep coming up with. Jesus sent me to defend Pat.

All I can do is disagree with your perception about thread progression here.

And yeah, Jesus did say we have to keep enduring the crap the world dishes out.

Matthew 18:

Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.
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The use of heathen by me is not as a gratuitous pejorative. It is an apt description of the position of many in this thread.

May be apt but it is still likely to cause offense, and that's not the best starting point when you're trying to reach people.

So you don't dispute that they are in sin with regard to abortion?

Nope, I've made my position on abortion known on these boards before. However, I think it's relatively irrelevant in this conversation.

I never said God punished anyone with weather.

You defended Robertson for saying it; that's the entire topic of this thread. You also said:

Is Robertson onto something here?

After reviewing Wikipedia and researching the links, I find that Haiti has a significant voodoo influence. Please study it for yourself.

What Pat is saying won’t make any sense to the Heathen or the immature Christian.

For the mature Christian, Pat’s words make Faith.

Pat’s point is well taken that a Nation based on voodoo will suffer. A Nation based on Christ has to come to the rescue.

America is good.

Haiti is evil.

That is completely and utterly unfounded by anything in scripture and it does an extreme disservice to Christ's mission for us in this world.

Really? There are many hearts that are spinning as a result of my preaching on this forum.

Um, no. What even begins to give you that impression?

I have quoted scripture. The Word of God is the source of my power.

You've quoted scripture out of context and you've also spouted a lot of non-Biblical nonsense.

I’ll accept that criticism. Remember where we are. We are not in someones home in a friendly social setting. We are on a forum where avowed and proven opponents to Christ roam free. The heathens are intelligent and well versed in the ways of corrupting young hearts.

Wrong. We are in many homes, and we are in as friendly of a social setting as you make it to be. I've made many friends on these forums, and I've even seen a few converts over the years. I've seen attempted suicides, recovering alcoholics, hurt feelings and generous-hearted donations.

This isn't some pretend world, this is a real community of real people. You are treating the members of these forums with suspicion and accusation rather than the love befitting a Christian.

It is NOT our job as Christians to police the hearts and minds of others, only to offer the grace that was also extended to us. You aren't supposed to be out here correcting the way people think and ignoring the impact you have on their spiritual lives; that advances the kingdom of God not a whit. Live out the mercy and grace God gives you and let God worry about changing behavior AFTER he changes lives.

I am God’s son. If you fine that arrogant, so be it.

That isn't what comes off as arrogant, it's stuff like this:

I now am free to see clearly the speck in my brothers eye.

Our lives are a constant cycle of sin and forgiveness. Any time you think you're perfect, you aren't. Claiming that you are is arrogant.

 

[seemingly random]

...corrupting young hearts.
...

Corrupting young, impressionable kids is the reason why those of your ilk need to be put down instead of just ignored. The difference between you corrupting a kid with your vile fantasies and a pedophile is nil.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

All I can do is disagree with your perception about thread progression here.

And yeah, Jesus did say we have to keep enduring the crap the world dishes out.

Matthew 18:
Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, "Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?" Jesus answered, "I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times.

You are correct. I am still enduring the crap. There have been hundreds of offensives against me on this forum, yet I keep coming back. However, I will defend my brother Pat and my brother Jesus.

May be apt but it is still likely to cause offense, and that's not the best starting point when you're trying to reach people.

I am defending my Brother in this thread, not reaching people. Once we get these enemies beat down, we'll come around and offer a hand up.

Nope, I've made my position on abortion known on these boards before. However, I think it's relatively irrelevant in this conversation.

You haven't made your position known to me. It's relevant because it is the reason for my linking Liberals/Democrats/Heathens, which you have criticized.

Um, no. What even begins to give you that impression?

I disagree.

You've quoted scripture out of context and you've also spouted a lot of non-Biblical nonsense.

And every scripture you've quoted is in context?

Wrong. We are in many homes, and we are in as friendly of a social setting as you make it to be.

That's fair. You don't find me crapping on those nice friendly threads. You only find me with the fangs out when Jesus is being insulted.

Our lives are a constant cycle of sin and forgiveness. Any time you think you're perfect, you aren't. Claiming that you are is arrogant.

I didn't claim to never make a mistake. I do claim to be God's son. You are God's daughter.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Corrupting young, impressionable kids is the reason why those of your ilk need to be put down instead of just ignored.

I'm logging that as a personal attack.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I'm logging that as a personal attack.

There are personal attacks and the THERE ARE PERSONAL ATTACKS!!
You might need to learn the difference..lol

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

There are personal attacks and the THERE ARE PERSONAL ATTACKS!!
You might need to learn the difference..lol

OK.. I'll let him off the hook. Consider it an act of benevolence in the midst of war.

 

[JEDIYoda]

You are correct. I am still enduring the crap. There have been hundreds of offensives against me on this forum, yet I keep coming back. However, I will defend my brother Pat and my brother Jesus.



I am defending my Brother in this thread, not reaching people. Once we get these enemies beat down, we'll come around and offer a hand up. God`s Love doesn`t work that way...sorry to say you are probably more heathen then those Haitians who practice voodoo!!




You haven't made your position known to me. It's relevant because it is the reason for my linking Liberals/Democrats/Heathens, which you have criticized.




I disagree.




And every scripture you've quoted is in context?




That's fair. You don't find me crapping on those nice friendly threads. You only find me with the fangs out when Jesus is being insulted.




I didn't claim to never make a mistake. I do claim to be God's son. You are God's daughter.

lolol

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Have you bowed and accepted Jesus as Lord?

 

[feralkid]

Have you bowed and accepted Jesus as Lord?

Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?

No.

 

[feralkid]

No.

Do you like movies about gladiators?

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Do you like movies about gladiators?

Quit running son. You know and I know that the path you are on is not working.

Bow your knee to the One Who is True.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Effetti

I must say you defend a true believer with great authority and skill Your wisdom and knowledge of the teaching of the living Christ have moved my heart as few men have.

I not sure but maybe your the person who can help strengthen my faith in the Living God. Something In Christ life has always troubled me.

When Christ was in the desert fasting , The devil did try to tempt. The Christ. The Christ did overcome him when the devil did offer him Kingship over the Earth (ROME)

This was a great day for all Christians , But something has always bother me about this , I feel you MAY BE THE ONE who can clear these troubling thoughts up for me . How is it possiable for the Devil to fulfill that promise that was made in the pricacy of the desert, Please if you can help me with this troubling question I have endurred.
May Christ be Praised.

 

[feralkid]

Quit running son. You know and I know that the path you are on is not working.

Bow your knee to the One Who is True.

So is that a yes?

 

[Moonbeam]

I remember the time Mulla Nasrudin paid 1000 dinar for an audio course from a shop keeper that promised it would teach him to read in a week. At the end of the week he came back holding a book and demanding the return of his money. The shop keeper asked if he was still unable to read. Oh, I can now read, all right, said the Mulla, but this book which is authoritative, says devices promising to teach reading in a week are a fraud and impossible. I want my money back.

 

[Avvocato Effetti]

Effetti

I must say you defend a true believer with great authority and skill Your wisdom and knowledge of the teaching of the living Christ have moved my heart as few men have.

Why am I not convinced of your genuineness.

not sure but maybe your the person who can help
strengthen my faith in the Living God. Something In Christ life has always troubled me.

Really, what is that.

When Christ was in the desert fasting , The devil did try to tempt. The Christ. The Christ did overcome him when the devil did offer him Kingship over the Earth (ROME)

That's correct.

This was a great day for all Christians , But something has always bother me about this , I feel you MAY BE THE ONE who can clear these troubling thoughts up for me .

Very good. You have properly discerned the Wisdom that flows from me.

How is it possiable for the Devil to fulfill that promise that was made in the pricacy of the desert, Please if you can help me with this troubling question I have endurred.

My my, I must be very cautious here, is it possible the great power of my enemy may cause embarrassment to the Lord of Hosts? Give me a moment, I beg you!

Here is my answer, Adam gave rulership over the Earth to Satan in the Garden. It was Satan's rulership to offer to Jesus. Even though by brother was weakened from 6 weeks of fasting (I'd like to see you endure that) he still had the spiritual and emotional commitment to refuse the temporary relief offered by that Old Heathen.

At the Cross, that power was taken from Satan by force and given to Jesus who immediately gave it to me and my brothers and sisters.

I hope that cleared it all up for you.

Any more questions?

 

[seemingly random]

...
Any more questions?

No, you're dismissed. Over and over and over again.

 

[Nemesis 1]

No need to be apprehensive friend , I have followed all day . At first you confounded me. But as a truesoldier of God you have endurred , But in your reply here I see now I was mistaken . For the Lord did reply that His was not a wordly kingdom . But the Kingdom of Heaven , Yet you spoke of a worldly kingdom , The Jews they also Offered The Christ King ship did they not and Again he prevailed .

I am sorry for having bothered you as your wisdom isn't enough to have settled my restless soul . Be of cheer and piece friend , I simply wanted to know how the devil could give the Christ the Kingship of the Earth(ROME)