Passage of the ACHA Lays Bare The Hatred and Contempt in The Hearts of GOP Voters

[Victorian Gray]

The individual provinces and territories are gov't. May not be the feds but it's a gov't takeover. You made my point.

What the govt has taken over is the role of insurance company. It does *not* control the fucking health delivery system. You are, for some reason, insisting on defining a socialized health insurance system as a socialized health care delivery system. I don't understand what your motivation is and, at this point I don't care. I'm not going to continue to debate the point as it's obviously pointless to do so.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-health-care-system.html

In Canada, how is the healthcare financed? Where do they get the money? Income tax? Corporate tax? Withholding tax?

For the most part, from general tax revenue. My province is the last to still charge an extra premium but that's will be disappearing within the next couple of years or so.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents/premiums/rates

 

[Roflmouth]

Always about you. He wouldn't approve of your selfish attitude much either.

Tell us what else Jesus wouldn't approve of, since you're such a devout Christian and all.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Why do you care if it's a government "takeover"?

All options should be explored.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Tell us what else Jesus wouldn't approve of, since you're such a devout Christian and all.

Spent my entire youth in protestant upbringing. The hypocrisy of modern Christians is abhorrent.

 

[brycejones]

The individual provinces and territories are gov't. May not be the feds but it's a gov't takeover. You made my point.

In Canada, how is the healthcare financed? Where do they get the money? Income tax? Corporate tax? Withholding tax?

Dude do some freaking research on your own and LEARN. You keep spouting off and yet you appear to have no idea what you are actually talking about.

 

[brycejones]

Why do you care if it's a government "takeover"?

All options should be explored.

Government is evil, saint Reagan said so. Almost 40 years of indoctrination is at work with SeaRay.

 

[JMC2000]

Why do you care if it's a government "takeover"?

All options should be explored.

They feel (or more like repeat the fear mongering they've been told) that if the government takes over healthcare/health insurance, there will be excessive taxation, healthcare rationing and death panels.

Remember all the rhetoric against the ACA?

It's been constantly drilled into their heads for eons, and they are unwilling to accept any different explanation.

 

[Geekbabe]

Why do you care if it's a government "takeover"?

All options should be explored.

I got new insurance on July 1st. Lost count of how many phone calls I had to make & how much web searching I had to do to find out what tier my providers were on. Also, medications, managed by yet another company. Now I have to search each RX by name to find out if they will be free via the preferred pharmacy and how much they will cost if they aren't.

Please, give me one entity to deal with all of this! Having to sit with a Doctor looking up meds she wants to RX to find out if they are covered is awkward & eats up time to discuss how I am actually feeling!

Btw, I was pleasantly surprised by the new pharmacy, very clean, well lite, polite clerks with empathy, no eye rolling, no embarrassing " counseling" about my schedule drugs. They also filled an additional RX for an antibiotic mouthwash in less than five minutes. Far, far better than my experience at Walgreens.

 

[Geekbabe]

What the govt has taken over is the role of insurance company. It does *not* control the fucking health delivery system. You are, for some reason, insisting on defining a socialized health insurance system as a socialized health care delivery system. I don't understand what your motivation is and, at this point I don't care. I'm not going to continue to debate the point as it's obviously pointless to do so.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-health-care-system.html



For the most part, from general tax revenue. My province is the last to still charge an extra premium but that's will be disappearing within the next couple of years or so.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents/premiums/rates

Exactly, government is the plan administrator, they don't provide health care services or dictate where health providers practice. Hopefully with such a large national pool the Government will also be able to negotiate drug prices.

 

[Sea Ray]

What the govt has taken over is the role of insurance company. It does *not* control the fucking health delivery system. You are, for some reason, insisting on defining a socialized health insurance system as a socialized health care delivery system. I don't understand what your motivation is and, at this point I don't care. I'm not going to continue to debate the point as it's obviously pointless to do so.

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/canada-health-care-system.html



For the most part, from general tax revenue. My province is the last to still charge an extra premium but that's will be disappearing within the next couple of years or so.

http://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/health/health-drug-coverage/msp/bc-residents/premiums/rates

According to this article your health system isn't nearly as hunky dory and you've portrayed here:

But the reality is that the Canadian health care system is not free -- in fact, Canadian families pay heavily for healthcare through the tax system. That high price paints the long wait times and lack of medical technologies in Canada in a very different light.


In 2013, a typical Canadian family of four can expect to pay $11,320 for public health care insurance. For the average family of two parents with one child that bill will be $10,989, and for the average family of two adults (without children) the bill comes to $11,381...
Despite talk of wait times reduction initiatives (backed with substantial funding), Canadians face longer wait times than their counterparts in other developed nations for emergency care, primary care, specialist consultations, and elective surgery. Access to physicians and medical technologies in Canada lags behind many other developed nations. And things have improved little since 2003. For example, the total wait time in 2012 (17.7 weeks from GP to treatment) is every bit as long it was back then.


Don't be fooled by claims that health spending isn't high enough or that transfers for health care to the provinces have been insufficient. Canada's health care system is the developed world's most expensive universal-access health care program after adjusting for the age of the population (older people require more care).

Looks like you're deeply in the red:

And it gets worse. Changing demographics mean Canada's health care system has a funding gap of $537 billion.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/nadeem-esmail/canada-free-health-care_b_3733080.html

I don't think we want to emulate your system and repeat your mistakes

 

[Sea Ray]

Dude do some freaking research on your own and LEARN. You keep spouting off and yet you appear to have no idea what you are actually talking about.

What did I state that's inaccurate? By all means, "dude" correct me rather than just spouting off.

 

[Sea Ray]

Why do you care if it's a government "takeover"?

All options should be explored.

I get nervous when gov't takes over anything but I agree that all options should be explored. As you've seen from the vehement opposition I've gotten, others definitely care more than I do if we call it a gov't takeover. I'm will to concede that it's all in your viewpoint but I've gotten no such concession from the other side. There is no Webster's definition of gov't takeover. I've shown a prominent Senator and a prominent newspaper that sees it my way. I've made my point.

 

[Sea Ray]

I got new insurance on July 1st. Lost count of how many phone calls I had to make & how much web searching I had to do to find out what tier my providers were on. Also, medications, managed by yet another company. Now I have to search each RX by name to find out if they will be free via the preferred pharmacy and how much they will cost if they aren't.

Please, give me one entity to deal with all of this! Having to sit with a Doctor looking up meds she wants to RX to find out if they are covered is awkward & eats up time to discuss how I am actually feeling!

Btw, I was pleasantly surprised by the new pharmacy, very clean, well lite, polite clerks with empathy, no eye rolling, no embarrassing " counseling" about my schedule drugs. They also filled an additional RX for an antibiotic mouthwash in less than five minutes. Far, far better than my experience at Walgreens.

Be glad you don't live in that country to our north:

Too few Canadians have access to medically necessary prescription drugs. Canada is the only country with a universal health care system that does not include prescription drugs.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/wellesley-institute/prescription-drug-coverage_b_8401906.html

 

[Jhhnn]

What did I state that's inaccurate? By all means, "dude" correct me rather than just spouting off.

Your whole slant is inaccurate. The article is not a criticism of UHC in general but rather Canadian shortcomings compared to other UHC nations. It is in no way an endorsement of current Repub proposals for this country.

 

[Geekbabe]

Be glad you don't live in that country to our north:



http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/wellesley-institute/prescription-drug-coverage_b_8401906.html

In my current medical situation I find little to be "glad" about! Also from the looks of things if the preferred pharmacy's formulary is limited I'll also be paying for drugs out of pocket in addition to my expensive insurance. At least most Canadians I know are nice.

At any rate, I think I am done trying to talk with you, my energy stores are limited & better spent advocating for others on social media. ACHA is a cruel bill, it takes insurance away & gives tax cuts to people who are already rich. You probably earn double what I do & I don't think you understand the struggles of people like me & honestly I don't believer you care, just as long as the government hands you the illusion of " control" over health insurance. Talk to me when you are 55 & your rates go up to 5X or your wife is deemed uninsurable & tossed in a sick pool that will cost at least 25K a year

 

[brycejones]

What did I state that's inaccurate? By all means, "dude" correct me rather than just spouting off.

Lol you keep asking basic questions like how is healthcare in Canada funded. My post was telling you to go find out how so you are actually informed.

 

[Meghan54]

Your whole slant is inaccurate. The article is not a criticism of UHC in general but rather Canadian shortcomings compared to other UHC nations. It is in no way an endorsement of current Repub proposals for this country.

Not to mention it's a blog post, not a news article, and almost all the links contained within don't go to the article that the blogger supposes they do. Some links are actually completely non-functional.

 

[brycejones]

Not to mention it's a blog post, not a news article, and almost all the links contained within don't go to the article that the blogger supposes they do. Some links are actually completely non-functional.

Sea Ray is grasping at straws at this point to maintain his willful ignorance.

 

[agent00f]

All you were able to show is a story by 2 reporters who apparently didn't understand the topic that they were writing about. Continue to keep those eyes and ears blocked.

Republicans never tried to sabotage Romneycare so that wasn't an issue. Again I can't help but be baffled by your total ignorance.

The reason for the american political status quo is because liberals fundamentally believe conservatives are "ignorant" liberals. It really can't be more obvious that's totally untrue, but such is life.

 

[Sea Ray]

Your whole slant is inaccurate. The article is not a criticism of UHC in general but rather Canadian shortcomings compared to other UHC nations. It is in no way an endorsement of current Repub proposals for this country.

It's got nothing to do with Republicans. Why would you even mention Republicans?

 

[Sea Ray]

In my current medical situation I find little to be "glad" about! Also from the looks of things if the preferred pharmacy's formulary is limited I'll also be paying for drugs out of pocket in addition to my expensive insurance. At least most Canadians I know are nice.

At any rate, I think I am done trying to talk with you, my energy stores are limited & better spent advocating for others on social media. ACHA is a cruel bill, it takes insurance away & gives tax cuts to people who are already rich. You probably earn double what I do & I don't think you understand the struggles of people like me & honestly I don't believer you care, just as long as the government hands you the illusion of " control" over health insurance. Talk to me when you are 55 & your rates go up to 5X or your wife is deemed uninsurable & tossed in a sick pool that will cost at least 25K a year

Most Americans I know are nice too. I have no idea where you're getting such an attitude towards me. I've said many, many times that I do not support the Senate bill on healthcare and it won't pass as it stands. You'd think that'd be a recognition that we share common ground.

 

[Sea Ray]

Lol you keep asking basic questions like how is healthcare in Canada funded. My post was telling you to go find out how so you are actually informed.

So you don't know either. Fine

 

[Jhhnn]

It's got nothing to do with Republicans. Why would you even mention Republicans?

Because you expressed favor towards their plans earlier in the thread.

That's the topic at hand, correct?

 

[Jhhnn]

The reason for the american political status quo is because liberals fundamentally believe conservatives are "ignorant" liberals. It really can't be more obvious that's totally untrue, but such is life.

Some are irretrievably ignorant, 'tis true. And proud of it.

 

[agent00f]

Some are irretrievably ignorant, 'tis true. And proud of it.

No, they're just good at playing dumb. Liberals love it when conservatives play dumb because it strokes their ego, their self-image as the knowledgeable ones out to educate the world. It's a mutually beneficial relationship, which when ruinous are the most pernicious and difficult to dissolve.