Parents transitioning their 3 year old boy

[Retro Rob]

So last night I brought up this subject with my wife who happens to have an M.S. In Child Development. She said that children begin to develop their gender identify at 2-3 years old.

So again I go back to the parents know whats best for their child because they have the information to make determinations.

It's more than just "developing an identity". Can a three year-old articulate how significant such a change is? Can they deal with society at that age without crying to mommy when someone teases them? Heck, they still throw tantrums at that age...

We usually don't allow our children to endeavor in something that they themselves cannot fully understand, that's why we watch who they befreind, talk to on the internet, what they eat, when they go to bed and so on.

These sort of things have a lot to do with emotion, not logic: "you don't love your child if you stop him/her from doing X".

 

[Fenixgoon]

It's more than just "developing an identity". Can a three year-old articulate how significant such a change is? Can they deal with society at that age without crying to mommy when someone teases them? Heck, they still throw tantrums at that age...

We usually don't allow our children to endeavor in something that they themselves cannot fully understand, that's why we watch who they befreind, talk to on the internet, what they eat, when they go to bed and so on.

These sort of things have a lot to do with emotion, not logic: "you don't love your child if you stop him/her from doing X".

And what happens when you have someone live an entire lifetime that they feel has been a lie? The psychological toll is not trivial.

A coworker of mine transitioned from male to female. She said she knew her identity as female from about age 3.

 

[Retro Rob]

And what happens when you have someone live an entire lifetime that they feel has been a lie? The psychological toll is not trivial.

Its not trivial either way, especially since humanity isn't binary. And who said anthing about an "entire lifetime"?

My point was simple, you just don't transition and life becomes hunky-dory afterwards. Three year olds simply have no clue about that, and why they have these things called "parents".

A coworker of mine transitioned from male to female. She said she knew her identity as female from about age 3.

Of course he's gonna say that.

 

[ivwshane]

Its not trivial either way, especially since humanity isn't binary. And who said anthing about an "entire lifetime"?

My point was simple, you just don't transition and life becomes hunky-dory afterwards. Three year olds simply have no clue about that, and why they have these things called "parents".



Of course he's gonna say that.

Because they are a liar right? What a disgusting piece of shit Christian you are!

 

[Retro Rob]

Because they are a liar right? What a disgusting piece of shit Christian you are!

No, because they are obviously biased. People are more than willing to downplay any semblance of doubt they had at 3 years old to support their own ideas.

Happens with everyone.

 

[Perknose]

So last night I brought up this subject with my wife who happens to have an M.S. In Child Development. She said that children begin to develop their gender identify at 2-3 years old.

You're appealing to authority to make your case.

With all due respect, I think I'm just inclined to buck any 'logical' excuse for putting a 3yo boy in a dress...

Fault me as you will, I just can't buy into it.

So . . . you reject "logic" and the fruits of professional research and instead appeal to your own lack of authority?

Your "feelings" on the matter trumps all? Those to which you're "just inclined?" D:

"With all due respect," please take a good, long look at the picture your own words have painted.

 

[lotus503]

It's more than just "developing an identity". Can a three year-old articulate how significant such a change is? Can they deal with society at that age without crying to mommy when someone teases them? Heck, they still throw tantrums at that age...

We usually don't allow our children to endeavor in something that they themselves cannot fully understand, that's why we watch who they befreind, talk to on the internet, what they eat, when they go to bed and so on.

These sort of things have a lot to do with emotion, not logic: "you don't love your child if you stop him/her from doing X".

Or its simply that even at 3 years old the child identifies as a girl.

As a parent i'm more concerned with my child being able to be who they are that societal repercussions of being who they are.

I also don't buy into your false equivalence, of choosing friendships, what they eat or how much internet time they have as it relates to being a boy or a girl.

 

[lotus503]

No, because they are obviously biased. People are more than willing to downplay any semblance of doubt they had at 3 years old to support their own ideas.

Happens with everyone.

are you debating that children as early 2 to 3 years old begin to establish gender identity?

 

[Retro Rob]

Or its simply that even at 3 years old the child identifies as a girl.

..or not.

As a parent i'm more concerned with my child being able to be who they are that societal repercussions of being who they are.

As a parent, your emtions can easily outweigh your logic and reason, hence, why so many die-hard proponets of opposite sex marriage magically change when their child comes out as gay.

I also don't buy into your false equivalence, of choosing friendships, what they eat or how much internet time they have as it relates to being a boy or a girl.

My point was we don't let them choose trivial things simply because they want them, so why give them adult-type freedom to make life changing choices?

 

[ivwshane]

No, because they are obviously biased. People are more than willing to downplay any semblance of doubt they had at 3 years old to support their own ideas.

Happens with everyone.

Oh but you aren't biased? Lol! You just dismissed one persons own personal experience because "they are biased".


"Happens with everyone"
Indeed! Go look in the mirror

 

[Retro Rob]

Oh but you aren't biased? Lol! You just dismissed one persons own personal experience because "they are biased".


"Happens with everyone"
Indeed! Go look in the mirror

What part of "happens with everyone" is hard to understand?

I can admit my bias, as I have no agenda to push.

 

[Sonikku]

..or not.



As a parent, your emtions can easily outweigh your logic and reason, hence, why so many die-hard proponets of opposite sex marriage magically change when their child comes out as gay.



My point was we don't let them choose trivial things simply because they want them, so why give them adult-type freedom to make life changing choices?

Where in the story did it say the parents are giving the kid hormones or surgery?

Did anyone read the story?

 

[lotus503]

..or not.



As a parent, your emtions can easily outweigh your logic and reason, hence, why so many die-hard proponets of opposite sex marriage magically change when their child comes out as gay.



My point was we don't let them choose trivial things simply because they want them, so why give them adult-type freedom to make life changing choices?

I think if I understand you correctly your position is one of simply the parents shouldn't allow it because they are emotional and the child doesn't know better?

 

[ivwshane]

What part of "happens with everyone" is hard to understand?

I can admit my bias, as I have no agenda to push.

You can't and you never admit shit. Go reread your posts again.

You dismissed a persons experience because of bias, wtf does that mean. If you tell me you were a happy kid and I said you are only saying that because you are biased, would that make any sense to you?

 

[ivwshane]

Where in the story did it say the parents are giving the kid hormones or surgery?

Did anyone read the story?

The answer is no.

 

[Retro Rob]

I think if I understand you correctly your position is one of simply the parents shouldn't allow it because they are emotional and the child doesn't know better?

The child cannot see the long term consquences, and frankly, the parents would be foolish to either ignore or hand-wave the social consequences.

That isn't to say you should let that stop you, but you simply cannot prepare a 3-year old for the world as you could a teenager.

They simply lack the intellecual and emotional maturity and sophistication.

That's all I am sayin'..

 

[Retro Rob]

Where in the story did it say the parents are giving the kid hormones or surgery?

Did anyone read the story?

I wasn't commenting on the story itself, just general conversation.

That is allowed, isn't it?

 

[lotus503]

The child cannot see the long term consquences, and frankly, the parents would be foolish to either ignore or hand-wave the social consequences.

That isn't to say you should let that stop you, but you simply cannot prepare a 3-year old for the world as you could a teenager.

They simply lack the intellecual and emotional maturity and sophistication.

That's all I am sayin'..

I don't disagree with anything that you wrote above, again this is why I keep coming back to its the parents choice based on all the information to make the determination of whats best for the child.

 

[Retro Rob]

I don't disagree with anything that you wrote above, again this is why I keep coming back to its the parents choice based on all the information to make the determination of whats best for the child.

Well, we just live in a world in which we are told it is "wrong" to stop someone from doing something that seems to come natural to them, even if its a child.

Little do we like to admit, we let society influence, heavily at times, our decisions in this regard becasue its easier to swim with than against the current...and people would rather conform than to be criticized.

We do whatever the new "norm" is, quite frankly...

 

[lotus503]

Well, we just live in a world in which we are told it is "wrong" to stop someone from doing something that seems to come natural to them, even if its a child.

Little do we like to admit, we let society influence, heavily at times, our decisions in this regard becasue its easier to swim with than against the current...and people would rather conform than to be criticized.

We do whatever the new "norm" is, quite frankly...

As it relates to this case, I think the parents are definitely swimming against the current, by all accounts it seems the child is happier for it.

 

[Retro Rob]

As it relates to this case, I think the parents are definitely swimming against the current, by all accounts it seems the child is happier for it.

I'll have to catch up on the case before addressing it directly! ()

 

[TechBoyJK]

So . . . you reject "logic" and the fruits of professional research and instead appeal to your own lack of authority?

Your "feelings" on the matter trumps all? Those to which you're "just inclined?" D:

"With all due respect," please take a good, long look at the picture your own words have painted.

There's plenty of 'professional research' from delusional idiots trying to justify their ignorant theories.

So yes, I reject their logic.

I don't need to be a rocket scientist to know sitting on top of a Space X rocket when it launches is a bad idea. Just like putting your 3yo boy in a dress and calling him jackie is a bad idea.

That's all I'm saying. I didn't say I'm a professional, nor an authority. But I don't need to be to reject bullshit.

 

[Perknose]

There's plenty of 'professional research' from delusional idiots trying to justify their ignorant theories.

When you summarily and almost hysterically reject one poster's shared info that his wife, with a Masters in the field, reports that the scientific consensus is that a child's awareness of gender identity begins at 2 or 3, based only on your feelings on the matter, you present exactly as one of those "delusional idiots trying to justify their ignorant theories."

That you don't see that is either hilarious or sad, take your pick.

 

[TechBoyJK]

When you summarily and almost hysterically reject one poster's shared info that his wife, with a Masters in the field, reports that the scientific consensus is that a child's awareness of gender identity begins at 2 or 3, based only on your feelings on the matter, you present exactly as one of those "delusional idiots trying to justify their ignorant theories."

That you don't see that is either hilarious or sad, take your pick.

I don't care what she says. Again, anybody that says it's a good idea to put their boy in a dress at 3 and change their name and treat them like a girl, is an idiot. You can huff and puff all you want, call me names, criticize me, and twist my words, but it won't change my stance. There's plenty of idiots with masters degrees. I know quite a few.

So what else you got? I'm not the smartest guy in the room, nor do I claim to be, and I openly, continually acknowledge my own ignorance and faults, but screw me for following my conscience, right?

 

[Moonbeam]

Well, we just live in a world in which we are told it is "wrong" to stop someone from doing something that seems to come natural to them, even if its a child.

Little do we like to admit, we let society influence, heavily at times, our decisions in this regard becasue its easier to swim with than against the current...and people would rather conform than to be criticized.

We do whatever the new "norm" is, quite frankly...

But you clearly have a problem with going with the norm so you do have a bias to express.

I, for example, believe children should be brainwashed from birth to believe in religion. It is too important a belief to allow un-propagandized adults come to their own decisions. If you allowed rational adults to decide on the validity of religion it would die out. We are the lucky ones who got brainwashed as children and had out most important identities determined for us. If you are born with a dick you're a male and should be made to see yourself that way. It's a gift, like religion.