Parents transitioning their 3 year old boy

[Zodiark1593]

Speaking from memory (of which, I can remember reasonably well back to two and a half), I did not begin to understand gender until Kindergarten (age 5), where I was amongst other children.

In my opinion, the parents should not push the child to either gender (or the gender opposite of their native gender for that matter) until the child has had a few years of experience among their peers. If, by 3rd or 4th grade, the child has demonstrated his (natively speaking) place among the girls, and desires to be like them and take on their roles, then perhaps the possibility of transgenderism should be taken seriously.

In a sheltered environment such as at home, a child doesn't yet learn what role they want to take amongst their peers. This has relatively little to do with age, and more so with experience and maturity. (some children become able to interpret their emotions earlier than others)

Ideally, a truly transgender child should begin transition by age 10 (at the very least, before puberty occurs) to achieve as close to perfect end-results as possible and best experience during the transitional phase. However, due to a variety of circumstances, both on the parent's end, teachers, and the child itself, separating a transgender child from a gender-confused child is, right now, sketchy. Relatively few children are mature enough to interpret legitimate transgenderism before puberty, and at the same time, few parents ever even consider transgenderism, or are accepting of it at all. And teachers are rarely, if ever, taught to recognize it. Basically put, the stars have to align just right for a transgender child to lead a relatively normal life.

In this particular case, the parents are right to at least consider the child may be a transgender, however, it is nothing more than a mere hunch without having experience being amongst his peers and finding his (or her) place, so I wholeheartedly disagree with their decision to transition their child at age 4.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Wonder if the fact that the kid seems happy counts for anything.

If my parents told me I could be a lion when I was 3, I'd be happy too.

 

[mikeymikec]

@ Zodiark1593

So if your three year old child said that they weren't happy with being a boy/girl, how would you approach the situation?

 

[dank69]

Nothing quite like a well-thought-out argument from a SJW. Oh, wait... it's the usual hail-mary throwing of insults hoping they'll stick.

"Dammit, that guy said something iron-clad that works against our agenda! If I call him 'stupid' enough times, maybe it'll stick and people will ignore what he said!"

*sigh*

I wish DEBATE was mandatory for school students instead of this "there is no such thing as truth because everyone's own truth is real" SuperLiberal approach.

Your characterization of the post he quoted is iron-clad is ridiculous.

 

[dank69]

We do not have the technology to make it fluid. You cannot unmake the dna of a person. You can make the facade of a gwnder, nothing more. It's like putting a Lamborghini body on a chevy. It is still a chevy.

This is not a well thought out line of attack. Who cares what the underlying DNA is? You don't. Given the choice of having sex with a person that looks like a woman in every way but has male DNA vs having sex with a person that looks like a man in every way but has female DNA, you would choose the male DNA every time.

 

[Blue_Max]

This is not a well thought out line of attack. Who cares what the underlying DNA is? You don't. Given the choice of having sex with a person that looks like a woman in every way but has male DNA vs having sex with a person that looks like a man in every way but has female DNA, you would choose the male DNA every time.

[bolded] Are you kidding? Google some images and kiss that rainbow daydream of yours goodbye. Better hope the bedroom is reeeeeally dark to hide that trainwreck.

[insert picture of South Park's Mr. Garrison as a woman showing Dawkin her "beautiful breasts"]
(And FFS, no, that's not the only image on which the opinion is based. Please don't retort with something that weak.)

Since you steadfastly refused to watch the video I'll relay MORE info for you.
John Hopkins University, one of the pioneers of gender reassignment surgery, no longer performs the procedure citing inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs [Dr. McHugh]

 

[dank69]

[bolded] Are you kidding? Google some images and kiss that rainbow daydream of yours goodbye. Better hope the bedroom is reeeeeally dark to hide that trainwreck.

[insert picture of South Park's Mr. Garrison as a woman showing Dawkin her "beautiful breasts"]
(And FFS, no, that's not the only image on which the opinion is based. Please don't retort with something that weak.)

Since you steadfastly refused to watch the video I'll relay MORE info for you.
John Hopkins University, one of the pioneers of gender reassignment surgery, no longer performs the procedure citing inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs [Dr. McHugh]

What capabilities we have right now are not relevant to the thought experiment. This is a thought experiment designed to show you why DNA is an irrelevant attack vector. IF we had the capability, you would choose the male DNA. See the word IF? In order to debate correctly, you have to accept the conditions of the thought experiment. You are arguing that we don't currently have the capability because you can't argue the actual point.

 

[Sonikku]

I really shouldn't be surprised that so many have no issues with this situation. Society is going to hell in a hand basket on a rocket ship! No boundaries, everything is acceptable. We are indeed the next Rome.

Gays marrying each other, parents accepting their kid for who they are, cats and dogs living together! Mass hysteria!

 

[dank69]

Gays marrying each other, parents accepting their kid for who they are, cats and dogs living together! Mass hysteria!

Yes Mayor, it's true. This man has no dick.

 

[lotus503]

So last night I brought up this subject with my wife who happens to have an M.S. In Child Development. She said that children begin to develop their gender identify at 2-3 years old.

So again I go back to the parents know whats best for their child because they have the information to make determinations.

 

[TechBoyJK]

So last night I brought up this subject with my wife who happens to have an M.S. In Child Development. She said that children begin to develop their gender identify at 2-3 years old.

So again I go back to the parents know whats best for their child because they have the information to make determinations.

You're appealing to authority to make your case.

The problem is, all this does is make me question where your wife went to school and the quality of education she received.

Of course kids start questioning gender issues when they are young.

The problem people have is the parents embracing the opposite gender and imposing and guiding their kid towards it. That's what sick. They're manipulating this child when it is most vulnerable. The damage will last the child's entire life.

 

[lotus503]

You're appealing to authority to make your case.

The problem is, all this does is make me question where your wife went to school and the quality of education she received.

Of course kids start questioning gender issues when they are young.

The problem people have is the parents embracing the opposite gender and imposing and guiding their kid towards it. That's what sick. They're manipulating this child when it is most vulnerable. The damage will last the child's entire life.

If by appealing to authority you mean speaking to someone with substantially more information on the subject that I have, then yeah.

This is not about questioning gender issues, this is that children as young as two start to develop their gender identity, as they do so they also start to have gender identity expression. This is different than playing dress up, this is how they actually identify, and it appears this occurs as young as 2-3 years old.

But yeah you know more than the parents and people educated on the topic.

 

[TechBoyJK]

If by appealing to authority you mean speaking to someone with substantially more information on the subject that I have, then yeah.

This is not about questioning gender issues, this is that children as young as two start to develop their gender identity, as they do so they also start to have gender identity expression. This is different than playing dress up, this is how they actually identify, and it appears this occurs as young as 2-3 years old.

But yeah you know more than the parents and people educated on the topic.

There's plenty of idiots with degrees out there. I'm not genius either, but anybody that tells me putting a 3yo boy in a dress and giving him a female name is a great idea gets instantly discounted as a fool.

 

[lotus503]

There's plenty of idiots with degrees out there. I'm not genius either, but anybody that tells me putting a 3yo boy in a dress and giving him a female name is a great idea gets instantly discounted as a fool.

This has nothing to do with a degree and everything to do with information. I am not claiming anything is a great idea, I am bringing information to the discussion.

Children form gender identify as early as 2 to 3 years old and begin to express that.

What that does it shred the assumptions that all kids that young are just playing around with it, it demonstrates that its possible and likely that kids know what Gender they identify with as early as 2 and 3 and begin to express that.

So its logical that if in fact children do form gender identity that young that the parents who have more information can support that identity that young.

Again I cant say if its right or wrong because I'm not the parent.

As sanctimonious as you are I wouldn't expect you to actually take information into account, because your the expert on gender identity in young children.
:thumbsup:

 

[TechBoyJK]

This has nothing to do with a degree and everything to do with information. I am not claiming anything is a great idea, I am bringing information to the discussion.

Children form gender identify as early as 2 to 3 years old and begin to express that.

What that does it shred the assumptions that all kids that young are just playing around with it, it demonstrates that its possible and likely that kids know what Gender they identify with as early as 2 and 3 and begin to express that.

So its logical that if in fact children do form gender identity that young that the parents who have more information can support that identity that young.

Again I cant say if its right or wrong because I'm not the parent.

As sanctimonious as you are I wouldn't expect you to actually take information into account, because your the expert on gender identity in young children.
:thumbsup:

With all due respect, I think I'm just inclined to buck any 'logical' excuse for putting a 3yo boy in a dress, especially on a continual basis, along with changing his name and letting him become the center of jokes and bullying. I believe the child is a victim of his own parent's delusions. I'm not saying they're bad people per se, but that they are misguided and there are far better ways to deal with this child's gender issues.

Fault me as you will, I just can't buy into it.

 

[OutHouse]

So last night I brought up this subject with my wife who happens to have an M.S. In Child Development. She said that children begin to develop their gender identify at 2-3 years old.

my problem is the parents are encouraging their 3 year old son who probably can only count to 5 and only say 10 letters of the alphabet to be a girl. It is clear the only gender role behavior that the parents are pushing heavily is to turn him into a girl all because he said he wanted to wear a dress.... wtf

 

[lotus503]

my problem is the parents are encouraging their 3 year old son who probably can only count to 5 and only say 10 letters of the alphabet to be a girl. It is clear the only gender role behavior that the parents are pushing heavily is to turn him into a girl all because he said he wanted to wear a dress.... wtf

Well it seems it was much more than that, the child was unhappy being a boy and said so, parents took some minor steps, hair ties initially and the child was very happy.

What if the kid really doesn't identify as a boy and was miserable, like the parents state? and is much happier as a girl?

 

[dank69]

my problem is the parents are encouraging their 3 year old son who probably can only count to 5 and only say 10 letters of the alphabet to be a girl. It is clear the only gender role behavior that the parents are pushing heavily is to turn him into a girl all because he said he wanted to wear a dress.... wtf

What kind of retarded children are you raising in your neck of the woods? My 3yo knew the whole alphabet and could count to 40 before her 2nd birthday. :hmm:

 

[OutHouse]

What kind of retarded children are you raising in your neck of the woods? My 3yo knew the whole alphabet and could count to 40 before her 2nd birthday. :hmm:

why must you be an insulting prick all the time?

 

[ivwshane]

why must you be an insulting prick all the time?

Because any conversation with you is pointless. As an example, you just injected your own "facts" into the discussion about what the parents are doing. If you weren't such a dishonest prick, people wouldn't treat you like one

 

[dank69]

why must you be an insulting prick all the time?

Because fuck you. That's why.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Well it seems it was much more than that, the child was unhappy being a boy and said so, parents took some minor steps, hair ties initially and the child was very happy.

What if the kid really doesn't identify as a boy and was miserable, like the parents state? and is much happier as a girl?

A 3yo doesn't get to make life changing decisions because they're unhappy.

Letting your 3yo dictate who they are because of 'feelings' is the definition of being a bad parent, imho.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Dank69 and iwshane..

I still don't understand why you two are continually so abrasive. We're just 'accounts' having a discussion on a webpage. Making things personal isn't productive.

 

[dank69]

A 3yo doesn't get to make life changing decisions because they're unhappy.

Letting your 3yo dictate who they are because of 'feelings' is the definition of being a bad parent, imho.

This isn't a life changing decision. If the kid wants to be a boy again he can be a boy again.

 

[dank69]

Dank69 and iwshane..

I still don't understand why you two are continually so abrasive. We're just 'accounts' having a discussion on a webpage. Making things personal isn't productive.

Most of the time I am joking. I like rough sex.