Parents transitioning their 3 year old boy

[ivwshane]

I have no clue what I would do our how I would react in the same situation. As the father of 3 girls and a boy, there is often shit that comes up that I have hard time figuring out what to do or how to deal with it.

Sometimes its just support your kids and work with them to figure out how to deal with stuff.

Sometimes its tough love.

I hope as a parent I get more right than I get wrong and my goal is not to be mistake free but to be open to changing it up and admitting when I do screw up.

One thing im certain of thought is that its not black and white and the folks best in a position to make the call are the parents.

And if your calling this child abuse you have no clue what child abuse really is, go spend a year working for CPS, then come back and talk to folks about abuse.

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[TechBoyJK]

Don't expect everyone to remain in the stone age with you.

What are you talking about?

 

[TechBoyJK]

One thing im certain of thought is that its not black and white and the folks best in a position to make the call are the parents.

Bullshit.

It's clear that the last people that need to be making this decision are the parents.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I'm not sure what the problem is here or what people here think the parents have done wrong. It seems to me that a three year old boy decided that he would prefer to be a girl, and the parents went along with it.

You answered your question directly after you asked it.

The problem people have here is that a 3yo boy decided he would rather be a girl, and the parents went along with it.

That's a problem.

 

[lotus503]

Bullshit.

It's clear that the last people that need to be making this decision are the parents.

Its clear you know less about the child than the parents.

Because of that simple fact you can get fucked with your sanctimonious bullshit.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Its clear you know less about the child than the parents.

Because of that simple fact you can get fucked with your sanctimonious bullshit.

I know these parents are stupid as fuck.

The fact that they're parading their kid around in the media at 3 is fucked up.

That's all I need to know. Call it what you want, but I'll forever see parents that do that to a child a child abusers.

What's really bullshit is people like saying it's ok to treat a 3yo this way. That's bullshit.

 

[justoh]

If she'll have a difficult life it's because of people like the ones here.

Considering the chances I will ever meet this particular child in my life is around a 0.0000001% chance, I can safely say I have no influence on the ease or difficulty of his life, and neither does anyone else here. We are simply observing and predicting.

12k posts in a year? Did you get that many by not bothering to read anything before posting?

You even "predict" the mistreatment by your kind.

 

[lotus503]

I know these parents are stupid as fuck.
No you know a limited amount of information from an article.

The fact that they're parading their kid around in the media at 3 is fucked up.
Unless it helps to give insight to others who are dealing with potentially similar issues.

That's all I need to know. Call it what you want, but I'll forever see parents that do that to a child a child abusers. You can view it how you want, it doesn't make you any less a sanctimonious asshole who likely hasn't been exposed to real child abuse.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I really don't care what you think of my opinion.

If you're that worried about it to get angry, try articulating why abusing a 3yo is ok.

Why is abusing a 3yo ok? Why does child abuse have to physical for other abuse 'not to be abuse'?

I know child abuse can be much worse. That doesn't make what these parents are doing ok.

Oh, I'm hurting my child, but at least I'm not punching the kid daily? I mean, it's not that bad... right?

I know damn well how bad child abuse can be. I never, ever claimed this level of abuse to be the worst. You're trying to negate this abuse because it's not 'as bad'.

It's still abuse via wanton negligence.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Considering the chances I will ever meet this particular child in my life is around a 0.0000001% chance, I can safely say I have no influence on the ease or difficulty of his life, and neither does anyone else here. We are simply observing and predicting.

Oh c'mon now. "If she'll have a difficult life it's because of people like the ones here."

 

[lotus503]

I really don't care what you think of my opinion.

If you're that worried about it to get angry, try articulating why abusing a 3yo is ok.

Why is abusing a 3yo ok? Why does child abuse have to physical for other abuse 'not to be abuse'?

I know child abuse can be much worse. That doesn't make what these parents are doing ok.

Oh, I'm hurting my child, but at least I'm not punching the kid daily? I mean, it's not that bad... right?

I know damn well how bad child abuse can be. I never, ever claimed this level of abuse to be the worst. You're trying to negate this abuse because it's not 'as bad'.

It's still abuse via wanton negligence.

Yes neither of us care what the other person thinks, glad we cleared that up.

There is your opinion on what constitutes abuse and then there is the legal definition of abuse.

Your view is subjective, just as some folks will claim raising a child outside of a particular religion is abuse. Just as some think feeding a kid fast food is abuse.

With so much subjectivity and opinion the only consistency is the legal definition.


If you called CPS on these parents what would CPS tell you?

Id wager fuck off and nicely as they can put it.

 

[TechBoyJK]

All I see is

bla bla bla

insert justification for mentally abusing a 3yo and trying to guilt dissenters into accepting this terrible approach to parenting that will have life long effects on the kid...

insert hilarious appeal to authority by citing CPS..

bla bla bla

You might as well give up. Until you accept that this is child abuse, you're going to be debating with a brick wall.

 

[lotus503]

All I see is



You might as well give up. Until you accept that this is child abuse, you're going to be debating with a brick wall.

This was never a debate, keep your fingers firmly planted in your ears and scream NANANANANA, I give 0 fucks, you're sanctimonious & Ignorant.

I've said what I had to say.

 

[TechBoyJK]

This was never a debate, keep your fingers firmly planted in your ears and scream NANANANANA, I give 0 fucks, you're sanctimonious & Ignorant.

I've said what I had to say.

And what you said is you think it's ok to fuck with a kid's head at that age, and I disagree. And you have to call me names to belittle my character so that you can justify discounting my opinion.

 

[lotus503]

And what you said is you think it's ok to fuck with a kid's head at that age, and I disagree. And you have to call me names to belittle my character so that you can justify discounting my opinion.

No what I said specifically is I have no idea what I would do, I am not the child's parents and do not have all of the information to make a determination.

As the parents they are in a better position to determine what is best for their child than some sanctimonious forum poster who read an article.

Yes I called you a sanctimonious asshole and ignorant, calling a spade a spade, sound familiar?

 

[TechBoyJK]

No what I said specifically is I have no idea what I would do, I am not the child's parents and do not have all of the information to make a determination.

As the parents they are in a better position to determine what is best for their child than some sanctimonious forum poster who read an article.

Yes I called you a sanctimonious asshole and ignorant, calling a spade a spade, sound familiar?

Except I'm being neither. You're just asserting that so you can feel better about your perception.

Parading a 3yo boy around as a girl, changing his name, and putting him in dresses, is abusive, even if not intentional.

These parents aren't evil, they're just weak willed and lack common sense.

 

[lotus503]

Except I'm being neither. You're just asserting that so you can feel better about your perception.

Parading a 3yo boy around as a girl, changing his name, and putting him in dresses, is abusive, even if not intentional.

These parents aren't evil, they're just weak willed and lack common sense.

No i'm asserting it because its factual.

TechBoyJK "Here's my asshole then. Take a good look at it. My tone has a shade of moral superiority to it BECAUSE it's morally superior. These parents are fucked up, and I'm clearly, and intentionally making a moral judgement."


sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous
ˌsaNG(k)təˈmōnēəs/Submit
adjectivederogatory
making a show of being morally superior to other people."

 

[TechBoyJK]

No i'm asserting it because its factual.

TechBoyJK "Here's my asshole then. Take a good look at it. My tone has a shade of moral superiority to it BECAUSE it's morally superior. These parents are fucked up, and I'm clearly, and intentionally making a moral judgement."


sanc·ti·mo·ni·ous
ˌsaNG(k)təˈmōnēəs/Submit
adjectivederogatory
making a show of being morally superior to other people."

Ok, then if being morally superior than these parents is Sanctimonious, then I'll own it.

I'm being sanctimonious because these parents are screwing up their child. If I'm going to pick something to be sanctimonious about, it's going to be about people abusing kids.

So now what?

 

[lotus503]

Ok, then if being morally superior than these parents is Sanctimonious, then I'll own it.

I'm being sanctimonious because these parents are screwing up their child. If I'm going to pick something to be sanctimonious about, it's going to be about people abusing kids.

So now what?

Now we can just ponder that you someone who has read an NPR article knows whats better for this child than his/her parents.

But we can at least have an intellectually honest baseline with you owning it.

I'll own my own bias, my wife works for CPS, I hear nothing but stories of abuse daily. Abuse isn't normally defined as parents doing things that may or may not have adverse effects on a child during the child's lifetime. If that was the baseline then most parents would be child abusers.


I don't know if what these parents are doing is the right call here, I certainly don't have all of the information, because of that i'm going to have to defer to the ones that do.

 

[Annisman*]

I can see one day parents beating their children and we'll get the same people telling us that the parents know best and we should shut our mouths.

 

[lotus503]

I can see one day parents beating their children and we'll get the same people telling us that the parents know best and we should shut our mouths.

Yes because trying to help a child navigate his/her identity to support them is like beating them.

Whether their choices are a net gain or a net loss for the child's well-being its nothing like beating them, but don't let that stop your false equivalence.

 

[VashHT]

I can see one day parents beating their children and we'll get the same people telling us that the parents know best and we should shut our mouths.

We already have people on this forum complaining all the time that children aren't beaten enough(leading to the "pussification" of America") so I don't think you have to wait for that.

 

[Blue_Max]

Don't expect everyone to remain in the stone age with you.

Is this where you tell us your super-liberal feminist dogma about how "gender is fluid" and "gender is a social construct", etc?

Bullshit made up to justify your social engineering (AKA "screwing with peoples' heads to create the society WE want".)

 

[TechBoyJK]

Yes because trying to help a child navigate his/her identity to support them is like beating them.

Whether their choices are a net gain or a net loss for the child's well-being its nothing like beating them, but don't let that stop your false equivalence.

I don't know. I think I'd rather be punched a little growing up than paraded around in a dress and made fun of my entire childhood.

Either one is going to be damaging in their own right. The beaten kid might grow up to be violent and kill someone. The abused gender distorted kid will just grow up and kill themselves.

 

[TechBoyJK]

We already have people on this forum complaining all the time that children aren't beaten enough(leading to the "pussification" of America") so I don't think you have to wait for that.

Well, there's a difference between a needed spanking and a drunken, angry beating.

Most people who complained about the pussification of america are talking about basic discipline. Many parents are so afraid to lay a finger on their own child that the kid's grow up without fear or respect, and in turn hurt other people.