Parents sue school over same-sex fairy tale.

[Golgatha]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
when will parents learn that they no longer have the right to say how their children are raised or what they learn in school?

When their taxes quit paying for them.

 

[xSauronx]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Cooler
Same-sex fairy tale is tame to some of stuff i read in Oedipus, The inferno, and hamlet.

or the Bible, which ill just assume is where the parents suing get their morals from.

/someone was going to say it anyway

Cities like Sodom and Gamorah were completely destroyed, largely due to things like homosexuality. Don't imply that the Bible is full of homo-stories because it's not. The Bible is not graphic, but it does cover many topics that have graphic details.

i didnt imply the bible is full of stories of homosexuality. i agreed with cooler that the fairy-tale is tame if it just winds up with 2 guys kissing.

i *said* i assume the objecting parents probably objected because they get their morals from the bible, which in my opinion, is full of a number of things i find immoral and reprehensible that theyre probably fine with. <--- that was the implication. sorry if i wasnt clear.

also, my definition of graphic relates to something with vivid descriptions of things. the bible has such descriptions. if youd rather think the book isnt graphic, but just has alot of topics with graphic details, fine, i dont get the difference, but we both seem to agree the graphic details are in the book.

i dont think the school, or its teachers or staff, should be bringing up such controversial topics with such young children. like cpa said, parents can do that themselves, and really should be the *only* ones teaching such young kids some things.

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: xSauronx

Originally posted by: Cooler
Same-sex fairy tale is tame to some of stuff i read in Oedipus, The inferno, and hamlet.

or the Bible, which ill just assume is where the parents suing get their morals from.

/someone was going to say it anyway

Where do you get your morals? The trash can?

you think the bible is the only thing with good morals? and only *has* good morals? i disagree. i was raised a christian, but always thought there was somethign wrong with the religion. i quit going to church/worshipping/having any faith about 2 years ago. i dont retain my morals because i got some of them out of the bible, and some people have plenty of good morals and havent ever used that particular book to get them to start with.

you seem to think theres one text full of only goodness and morality that the entire world should follow, but i think youll find a number of people who disagree with you. id guess the number to be in the billions. if you didnt know, most of the world *doesnt* follow christianity and doesnt require the bible to grasp any sense of morality. others may have their own religious texts to draw from, but you will find, especially if you keep an eye on off-topic, that there are people that dont even require a religious text to have a decent sense of morality.

 

[Number1]

Two religious family who want to shield their children from reality. Its just so ridiculous. They should take their children and put them in private christian school if thats what they want. And if they can't afford a private school, as they say, begger can't be chooser.

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: BDawg
Who cares. Same sex people exist. As long as there wasn't description of sexual acts, get over it.

It's like complaining that a mexican couple was the subject of the book.

uh, no it isn't. I would prefer if my schools left the sex stuff at home. I am more than capable of deciding when and how to teach my kids about same-sex relationships. The schools need to stay the f out of it. Also, at 7, I'm more interested in them learning how to read, write and do arithmetic. And you have to question of all the fairy tales out there, why did the teacher choose this one?

Your opinion is common; the ability to execute said idea isn't so much. There are a remarkable number of parents that would rather the school teach the students about sex.

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
when will parents learn that they no longer have the right to say how their children are raised or what they learn in school?

When their taxes quit paying for them.

Nah, KarenMarie is correct. There are plenty of issues that parents have "input" on, but few areas where their opinion counts. Intelligent design is one of those issues -- politicians & etc have started paying attention, so schools have to pay attention. While this will probably get significant publicity... I doubt it will matter in the long run.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
when will parents learn that they no longer have the right to say how their children are raised or what they learn in school?

That is obviously not the case. You have been paying at least a little attention to the evolution/intelligent design debate, right?

edit: I will have to retract my offer to find the court case. i have deleted the bookmark to the story and google gives me over 100 pages, which i will not go thru to find it. it had something to do with a case out in california where parents did not want their kids to learn something and the courts decided that the schools knew what was best for the kids, not the parents. it was all over the news at the time.

but since i cannot back this up with appropriate links, i will have to back down.

sorry.

 

[theeedude]

Same sex fairy tale is no more of a sex education than an opposite sex fairy tale.

"King & King" tells the story of a crown prince who rejects a bevy of beautiful princesses, rebuffing each suitor until falling in love with a prince. The two marry, sealing the union with a kiss, and live happily ever after.

Where is the sex education? That happens in fairy tales all the time. If this is gay sex education, then every other fairy tale is straight sex education and should also require parental consent.

 

[JDrake]

I don't want my children to read crap like that

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: joedrake
I don't want my children to read crap like that

Then it's a good thing that if you allow them to enter public education, you no longer have the option.

(I love being Satan's Agent...)

 

[JDrake]

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: joedrake
I don't want my children to read crap like that

Then it's a good thing that if you allow them to enter public education, you no longer have the option.

(I love being Satan's Agent...)

Give me a lil' notification and they'd be 'sick' the days they were reading it

 

[GeekDrew]

Originally posted by: joedrake

Originally posted by: GeekDrew

Originally posted by: joedrake
I don't want my children to read crap like that

Then it's a good thing that if you allow them to enter public education, you no longer have the option.

(I love being Satan's Agent...)

Give me a lil' notification and they'd be 'sick' the days they were reading it

Ah, no fear. Educators are always one step ahead of the general public.

(and by that, I mean that they do what they want, and use any tactic available to them as they wish. I used to work in public education; it's amazing what you learn. )

 

[Merlyn3D]

I'm surprised no one's touched the subject of why bert and ernie sleep in the same bed on what is probably the most popular little kids show.

 

[Injury]

To a bunch of 7 year olds? Probably shouldn't have been done.

But like it or not, homosexuality is part of world and ignoring it or saying it should be a big secret really only aids to intolerance, IMHO.

Parents: If you want your kids exposed to the world, homeschool them or shut the hell up. The sad truth is that this teacher is probably going to be out of a job as a result of this crap, and the kids probably don't even understand what the difference is.

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
when will parents learn that they no longer have the right to say how their children are raised or what they learn in school?

When their taxes quit paying for them.

... So let's waste more taxpayer money for the school to hire a lawyer and detract time away from eduction for a stupid lawsuit that could be handled by handled by having a talk with the principal.

"No no, you shouldn't have done that! We want money because you read a story to our kid and now we are at such a horrible loss! Our lives will never be the same... ...without money to compensate us for this incident!"

What a freaking joke.

 

[jjones]

I wonder if the school gave an opportunity for the parents to be involved in this. I have nothing against teaching children about the different types of marriages, or even reading a fairytale (and it is a fairytale in every sense of the word [sorry, just couldn't resist ]) like this King & King. However, I wouldn't want my child to some day out of the blue come home and tell me that's what is going on in her classroom. This is a sensitive subject, very understandably confusing for children, and I'd want to be prepared to talk in depth about it to my child. Any parent, regardless of their beliefs, should be offered that opportunity. If the school made the curriculum of the classroom ready available to parents and the parents just ignored it, or just flat out disagreed with it, then the school has done what it could and I see no fault on their part. However, if they hadn't made this information available or hadn't made an extra effort to do so, I can understand a parent's distress over it.

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: UglyCasanova

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: BDawg
Who cares. Same sex people exist. As long as there wasn't description of sexual acts, get over it.

It's like complaining that a mexican couple was the subject of the book.

uh, no it isn't. I would prefer if my schools left the sex stuff at home. I am more than capable of deciding when and how to teach my kids about same-sex relationships. The schools need to stay the f out of it. Also, at 7, I'm more interested in them learning how to read, write and do arithmetic. And you have to question of all the fairy tales out there, why did the teacher choose this one?

Exactly. They showed pics from the book on CNN and it really is just propoganda for good or bad. I'm all for gay rights but something like this doesn't belong in a 2nd grade classroom (at least without all parents consent). Likewise, some fairy tale about how sally has 1 mom and 1 dad and that is the only right way doesn't belong either, for exactly the same reason.

Most kids books are "propaganda" for good morals, good social behavior, good values, etc. Kids books are partly about fun, and partly about socialising children into our culture.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: TGS

Originally posted by: Cooler
Same-sex fairy tale is tame to some of stuff i read in Oedipus, The inferno, and hamlet.

Next you'll be hearing about children having sex with each other, commiting murders, and then killing themselves! Won't someone think of the children? :|

Edit: Also I do believe the topic at hand may be above the childrens level at that age.

First we'll have teen sex cults, then we'll have child sex cults. WHEN WILL IT STOP?!

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: xSauronx
Cities like Sodom and Gamorah were completely destroyed, largely due to things like homosexuality.

Homosexuality had nothing at all to do with the (mythical) destruction of those cities. The crime of those cities was lack of hospitality. And let's not forget - Lot was quite willing to put one of his daughters out to be raped by the mob, if it meant saving his visitors from the same fate. After Lot and his daughters left the city, Lot's daughters couldn't find a husband (as their entire tribe/ town had been destroyed, and they had no-one to turn to). In order to get pregnant, Lot's daughter's plied their father with alcohol, and then slept with him. Both of Lot's daughters became pregnant to him (their father) and gave birth to healthy baby boys. Moral of the story: if you can't find a husband, fvck your Daddy and get pregnant..?

 

[aidanjm]

Originally posted by: jjones
This is a sensitive subject, very understandably confusing for children

It's actually not confusing at all to children. Children understand love and friendship. End of story. All the kids I know who are being raised by gay couples seem to think it's just normal. There is no confusion. It's really only adults who are "confused". And by confused I mean people like you are trying to rectify or balance your deeply ingrained bigotry against homosexuals with your sense of social justice and fairness and the emerging social consensus that homosexual people are citizens just like all opther citizens and hence are entitled to do all the things that other citizens do.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: aidanjm

Originally posted by: jjones
This is a sensitive subject, very understandably confusing for children

It's actually not confusing at all to children. Children understand love and friendship. End of story. All the kids I know who are being raised by gay couples seem to think it's just normal. Their is no confusion. It's really only adults who are "confused". And by confused I mean people like you are trying to rectify or balance your deeply ingrained bigotry against homosexuasls with your sense of social justice and fairness and the emerging social consensus that homosexual people are citizens just like all opther citizens and hence are entitled to do all the things that other citizens do.

I notice the same principals hold true to firearms and children.

 

[mwtgg]

lol, this is hilarious. If the story was a normal fairy tale where a prince is searching for a princess to wed, it wouldn't be called "sex ed". But because it's a samesex 'relationship', it's WRRRROOOOOOONGGGGG. Like it or not, schools do indoctrinate children.

 

[JLGatsby]

Now you know why they call it a "fairy" tale.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby
Now you know why they call it a "fairy tale."

That's clever. Did you think of that all by yourself?

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
That's clever. Did you think of that all by yourself?

Why yes I did.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: JLGatsby

Originally posted by: mwtgg
That's clever. Did you think of that all by yourself?

Why yes I did.

Aww, go tell mommy so she'll let you stay up a whole half-hour later!

 

[JLGatsby]

Originally posted by: mwtgg
Aww, go tell mommy so she'll let you stay up a whole half-hour later!

I have yet to understand the purpose of you replying to my post.

If it's supposed to be an insult, you go about it in a manner that could only be described as "retarded."

 

[Beige]

Originally posted by: Merlyn3D
I'm surprised no one's touched the subject of why bert and ernie sleep in the same bed on what is probably the most popular little kids show.

There have always been two beds...just wanted to let you know..I had my share of Sesame Street and they always slept in seperate beds. If there was some episode i missed somwhere then I really dont know what to say.