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Parents Declare Hunting Season on 12 year old

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No one believes it will be solved once he's gone. There might be some even many who just want to go back to putting their heads in the ground and that will suck but an urgency to action here because that fu*k is helping to put it all in the headlines on such a regular basis is an important step. A necessary step. Change comes from many directions. Trump own his part in this.

But brad, this thread is about this child. If people want to vent and blame Trump... Let's not derail the thread with your need to concern troll for the Trumpster Fire ( yeah yeah, I know... You say you're not. You're justconcerned about the after math and history)

Oh yes they will.

As I said, we saw it after Obama won. We see it after every election that the Left wins. The Left has a bad habit of coming together, having a major victory, and then moving on. Its why every time they elect a president they have a huge drop off in voting.
 
For it to be trolling, I have to do something with the goal of being provocative or offensive. My goal is not that, thus I cant be trolling. I think the better word is contentious.
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Contentious is often provocative is or not? And you are being provocative. You just don't want to call it that.
 
You missed the point. The comparison is a necessary one... Not a spot on one.

Why is an accurate one less necessary? Both should require action, but one is far more desperate. Stopping Hitler took somewhere between 50-80 million lives. We are nowhere near that level of action for Trump.
 
Oh yes they will.

As I said, we saw it after Obama won. We see it after every election that the Left wins. The Left has a bad habit of coming together, having a major victory, and then moving on. Its why every time they elect a president they have a huge drop off in voting.
You sound concerned and troll-y.

Don't fret, I still luv ya!
 
Why is an accurate one less necessary? Both should require action, but one is far more desperate. Stopping Hitler took somewhere between 50-80 million lives. We are nowhere near that level of action for Trump.
The writing in on the wall with this pig. Leave it at that brad.
 
You missed the point. The comparison is a necessary one... Not a spot on one.

Actually, if we're comparing Trump's brand of right wing populism, i.e. his movement, its ideas, and the nature of his support, it's close to a spot on comparison.

If we're comparing Trump's personality to that of Hitler, there are larger differences, though both are/were narcissists. The main difference being that Hitler was a "principled racist" meaning it had an ideological context to it, and he convinced himself of it totally. OTOH Trump doesn't really believe in much of anything. He only wants power, wealth and adoration, while his racism is a garden variety product of his ignorance and buffoonery. In that aspect, he's probably more like Archie Bunker than Hitler.

I'm afraid, however, that the first point is the scariest thing. If we take Brad's point that this nonsense won't go away after Trump, which I think is correct, we're going to have to deal with what amounts to a horde of brown shirts in this country for a long time to come.
 
This is about the person, because it has always been an issue, but without the person. Why don't you understand that?

The violent right, as they always have been, are morally offended by the universal, crawling progress of Universal Human Rights over the last several decades. THis has been the trend, but as you are noticing, we see recent spikes in ultraviolence and very public hate against protected groups that have recently gained parity, if at least legally, with traditional privileged classes. This is morally offensive and intolerable to the universally-recognized right wing zealots of the world, all of whom are endorsed in the US by the GOP over the last 5 or 7 decades.

No one is ignoring the strawman that you are patiently constructing in this thread of the past history of the violent, intolerant right. That isn't the topic, and it isn't particularly relevant. The concerning issue, and worthy of discussion, is that the violent and intolerant right have, for the first time in their history, an unapologetic fascist racist, tweeting the clarion call of their decades of "silent majority" hate and bigotry--endorsing it in an official capacity for the first time. Their concerns and hatred are now made acceptable in their tiny skulls. Their actual lives are made no better by endorsing their reptilian fears, but they sure do feel better about themselves that little mussolini is finally here to stroke their pleasure centers.

They believe that, finally, decades of slow progress and pushback against their intolerable hate and regression will finally be halted by the GOP's open and bold acceptance of the worst of the absolute worst that humanity has to offer. This, they believe, is their moment.

That's the issue.
Another beautiful expression passion of the good within us. I salute you from afar.
 
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Provocative denotes deliberately acting. Contentious does not. Trolling and provocative are basically the same.
contention is also deliberate.

Contention - heated disagreement - an assertion, especially one maintained in argument <--- intentional. Proactive.
 
Can we stop for just a minute on the Trump thing for this thread?

Exactly what is being done about these parents? I would assume that charges can and will be brought up on them.
 
Actually, if we're comparing Trump's brand of right wing populism, i.e. his movement, its ideas, and the nature of his support, it's close to a spot on comparison. If we're comparing Trump's personality to that of Hitler, there are larger differences, though both are/were narcissists. The main difference being that Hitler was a "principled racist" meaning it had an ideological context to it, and he convinced himself of it totally. OTOH Trump doesn't really believe in much of anything. He only wants power, wealth and adoration, while his racism is a garden variety product of his ignorance and buffoonery.

Actually, no. On the racism part, Trump and Hitler are far closer. Hitler only resented the Jews as a way to get ahead in politics. If you look at his history, he seemed to have little to no problems with Jews. It was not until he failed at school and was just getting by with selling his art that you start to see a shift. What really got him into it was seeing other political people use the Jews as scapegoats. He picked that up as it was a popular movement before him, and people liked blaming their suffering on an outsider group.

Again though, to compare the US populism to the Nazi Germany kind is missing the difference in magnitude. The anger that the German people had was far more extreme than what we have in the US.
 
Actually, if we're comparing Trump's brand of right wing populism, i.e. his movement, its ideas, and the nature of his support, it's close to a spot on comparison.

If we're comparing Trump's personality to that of Hitler, there are larger differences, though both are/were narcissists. The main difference being that Hitler was a "principled racist" meaning it had an ideological context to it, and he convinced himself of it totally. OTOH Trump doesn't really believe in much of anything. He only wants power, wealth and adoration, while his racism is a garden variety product of his ignorance and buffoonery. In that aspect, he's probably more like Archie Bunker than Hitler.

I'm afraid, however, that the first point is the scariest thing. If we take Brad's point that this nonsense won't go away after Trump, which I think is correct, we're going to have to deal with what amounts to a horde of brown shirts in this country for a long time to come.
I'm not disagreeing with his prediction. I'm arguing that today is today.
 
Can we stop for just a minute on the Trump thing for this thread?

Exactly what is being done about these parents? I would assume that charges can and will be brought up on them.

I think the only one that crosses the legal line would be that David Williams one. That might just be enough to get something legally. Everything else while being completely disgusting does not appear to cross the legal line.
 
I agree with your post other than it being "merely incidental" aspect.
In my opinion and for reasons I can only guess at, Vic has an intellectual depth and a capacity to distill it in ways that rock me back on my heals. The post you quoted of his was for me just such an example. In my opinion, what is the thingi we use, it was slash thread, including the point about the sexual point being merely incidental. I think you may have thought the word merely somehow was intended to reduce the importance of the actual issue the 12 year old faces, rather than that one kind of hate speech is any different than another. The prosecution of hate speech is a prosecution of the expression of the hate whatever its form.
 
Yes, these are likely Trump supporters. Yes, these are the deplorables that people bashed Hillary over, but we all know exist.

that said, all of my argument still stands as to why we should not label this thing a Trump thing.

nothing in the title or the op labeled it a trump thing.
 
nothing in the title or the op labeled it a trump thing.

Never said it did. You should probably read what I said and why I said it before criticizing me. It would make far more sense. Unless you just want to criticize me, which does not need a reason.

If you do want to know why, you can find my first comment in this thread on post 3, to post 2.
 
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