Parents Declare Hunting Season on 12 year old

[Younigue]

Oh sure. We have talked about that before. But, when someone says that this is Trump's Murica implying this is new and or unique to Trump's era, then I will speak out. Remove him, give him the blame he is due, but, don't pretend that this type of thing would not have happened before him. Don't build an illusion that cutting off Trump will kill the beast that was around long before him and just as vicious.

I Don't think anyone is denying it existed before Trump.

 

[realibrad]

I Don't think anyone is denying it existed before Trump.

Is this incident new, unique, or different in any way than before Trump?

 

[darkswordsman17]

IMO the issue here is that we have adults making credible threats of violence against a child, which is not constitutionally protected speech. That the child is LGBT is unfortunate but merely incidental. These adults should be prosecuted.

I agree with your post other than it being "merely incidental" aspect.

 

[JSt0rm]

Is this incident new, unique, or different in any way than before Trump?

why are you on about trump? This is about rural hillbilly trump supporters doing dumb shit.

These are the deplorables everyone has been talking about.

 

[sactoking]

This just in: Hitler not responsible for overt German antisemitism because it existed before he came to power!

Yeah, I went there.

 

[realibrad]

why are you on about trump? This is about rural hillbilly trump supporters doing dumb shit.

These are the deplorables everyone has been talking about.

Yes, these are likely Trump supporters. Yes, these are the deplorables that people bashed Hillary over, but we all know exist.

that said, all of my argument still stands as to why we should not label this thing a Trump thing.

 

[Younigue]

Is this incident new, unique, or different in any way than before Trump?

Yes but only in the sense that hate is living so god damn fu*king loud these days.

 

[realibrad]

This just in: Hitler not responsible for overt German antisemitism because it existed before he came to power!

Yeah, I went there.

You should be proud I guess. Also, if you cant see the vast difference between a shitbag like Trump, and the monster that Hitler was then you should read up on the two. Hitler did a lot more than overt antisemitism. If Hitler were as bad as Trump, the world would have not seen anything close to what actually happened.

Just because they share scary similarities does not make them anywhere close to equal. If anything, a better comparison would be Trump and Lenin as Lenin was a stepping stone to someone much worse. Trump has that stepping stone feel, but, he is no Hitler and he is no Stalin.

 

[Younigue]

This just in: Hitler not responsible for overt German antisemitism because it existed before he came to power!

Yeah, I went there.

Yeah! Take that @realibrad !

 

[Younigue]

Yes, these are likely Trump supporters. Yes, these are the deplorables that people bashed Hillary over, but we all know exist.

that said, all of my argument still stands as to why we should not label this thing a Trump thing.

In this Era? It's absolutely a Trump thing. Brad? What you're doing is concern trolling. <--- you made me say it!

 

[realibrad]

Yes but only in the sense that hate is living so god damn fu*king loud these days.

Exposed hate tends to be far easier to deal with than hidden hate. When we have things out in the open, and people see first hand what happens, it tends to get take care of. What has been really horrible is when that hate is hidden behind or within other things and it creeps and spreads. This is why freedom of speech is so important. You have a racist rally and people go holy shit. You try to have a 2nd one and look what happens.

But, this all only works if people take a stand against it, which is why I have never said to not speak out. I just want to advocate for productive action. I will not call for inaction.

 

[realibrad]

I*n this Era? It's absolutely a Trump thing. Brad? What you're doing is concern trolling. <--- you made me say it!

My concern is never trolling.

Again though, labeling this as a Trump thing beyond trump being the current leader is a mistake in my opinion for the aforementioned reasons. My concern is quite real. If you ever trust in anything that I say, then trust in that.

 

[Younigue]

You should be proud I guess. Also, if you cant see the vast difference between a shitbag like Trump, and the monster that Hitler was then you should read up on the two. Hitler did a lot more than overt antisemitism. If Hitler were as bad as Trump, the world would have not seen anything close to what actually happened.

Just because they share scary similarities does not make them anywhere close to equal. If anything, a better comparison would be Trump and Lenin as Lenin was a stepping stone to someone much worse. Trump has that stepping stone feel, but, he is no Hitler and he is no Stalin.

Yup, concern trolling.
With Trump we have the opportunity to see the writing on the wall. That mother fu*ker absolutely has the markings of a Hitler wanna be. The comparisons have to be made and it's silly and naive of you to say anything different.

 

[Younigue]

Exposed hate tends to be far easier to deal with than hidden hate. When we have things out in the open, and people see first hand what happens, it tends to get take care of. What has been really horrible is when that hate is hidden behind or within other things and it creeps and spreads. This is why freedom of speech is so important. You have a racist rally and people go holy shit. You try to have a 2nd one and look what happens.

But, this all only works if people take a stand against it, which is why I have never said to not speak out. I just want to advocate for productive action. I will not call for inaction.

Then you understand the need to call Trump what he is.

 

[Younigue]

My concern is never trolling.

Again though, labeling this as a Trump thing beyond trump being the current leader is a mistake in my opinion for the aforementioned reasons. My concern is quite real. If you ever trust in anything that I say, then trust in that.

Hell no!
You've said far better, more intellectual, thought provoking things in the past. You're wrong about this.

 

[Younigue]

My concern is never trolling.

In this it is.

 

[realibrad]

Yup, concern trolling.
With Trump we have the opportunity to see the writing on the wall. That mother fu*ker absolutely has the markings of a Hitler wanna be. The comparisons have to be made and it's silly and naive of you to say anything different.

No. Hitler was a failure and resented that. He was angry at the world for his failures and that is what pushed him. He was a weak man that tried to kill himself many times. Hitler was also a far better speaker than Trump will ever be. You also have to keep in mind that Hitler types do not grow in a vacuum. You need key things to grow those types of monsters.

Trump is not even close to that. Trump unchecked would do horrible things, but, Trump will be constrained because of the safeguards we have. He gets elected again, and he keeps chipping away at those defenses, and it gets far more scary, but, even then I think we still hold out. What would really be horrific is if we have another person Trump equal or worse come in. That amount of damage would be more than I think we could recover from without some long term damage.

 

[realibrad]

Then you understand the need to call Trump what he is.

Yes, which is what I have said. I just don't want people to somehow believe that this issue will be resolved with Trump leaving. Racism was not ended when Obama won, and bigotry will not end when Trump is gone.

 

[realibrad]

In this it is.

Can't be if its not my intent. I could be other things, but not trolling.

 

[Younigue]

No. Hitler was a failure and resented that. He was angry at the world for his failures and that is what pushed him. He was a weak man that tried to kill himself many times. Hitler was also a far better speaker than Trump will ever be. You also have to keep in mind that Hitler types do not grow in a vacuum. You need key things to grow those types of monsters.

Trump is not even close to that. Trump unchecked would do horrible things, but, Trump will be constrained because of the safeguards we have. He gets elected again, and he keeps chipping away at those defenses, and it gets far more scary, but, even then I think we still hold out. What would really be horrific is if we have another person Trump equal or worse come in. That amount of damage would be more than I think we could recover from without some long term damage.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Trump is a miserable, profoundly insecure, ugly, petty, vengeful, mentally disturbed, stupid man. The similarities between then is striking. Yes there are safeguards but that fu*k is actively dismantling them. Time to wake up darling. Being the good or rational guy is just a story you're telling yourself about yourself in an era that's shitting all over it.

 

[Younigue]

Can't be if its not my intent. I could be other things, but not trolling.

Well, trolls rarely recognize themselves. I'm different, I know I'm a troll to taj and pc and occasionally moonie.

The intent game is a clever one.

 

[realibrad]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. Trump is a miserable, profoundly insecure, ugly, petty, vengeful, mentally disturbed, stupid man. The similarities between then is striking. Yes there are safeguards but that fu*k is actively dismantling them. Time to wake up darling. Being the good or rational guy is just a story you're telling yourself about yourself in an era that's shitting all over it.

I think you undervalue the things that Hitler was. A high school girl concerned about her looks is insecure, but on a totally different level than someone like Hitler. Trump is all the things you mentioned, but, still not close to Hitler. You give Trump syphilis and a morphine addiction and he gets a lot damn closer for sure.

But, I do not think you realize just how bad Hitler truly was. Its like comparing a AR-15 to a Nuke. Both have the ability to kill people, but, on totally different scales. The solutions to stopping those two threats are vastly different.

 

[Younigue]

Yes, which is what I have said. I just don't want people to somehow believe that this issue will be resolved with Trump leaving. Racism was not ended when Obama won, and bigotry will not end when Trump is gone.

No one believes it will be solved once he's gone. There might be some even many who just want to go back to putting their heads in the ground and that will suck but an urgency to action here because that fu*k is helping to put it all in the headlines on such a regular basis is an important step. A necessary step. Change comes from many directions. Trump own his part in this.

But brad, this thread is about this child. If people want to vent and blame Trump... Let's not derail the thread with your need to concern troll for the Trumpster Fire ( yeah yeah, I know... You say you're not. You're justconcerned about the after math and history)

 

[realibrad]

Well, trolls rarely recognize themselves. I'm different, I know I'm a troll to taj and pc and occasionally moonie.

The intent game is a clever one.

For it to be trolling, I have to do something with the goal of being provocative or offensive. My goal is not that, thus I cant be trolling. I think the better word is contentious.

 

[Younigue]

I think you undervalue the things that Hitler was. A high school girl concerned about her looks is insecure, but on a totally different level than someone like Hitler. Trump is all the things you mentioned, but, still not close to Hitler. You give Trump syphilis and a morphine addiction and he gets a lot damn closer for sure.

But, I do not think you realize just how bad Hitler truly was. Its like comparing a AR-15 to a Nuke. Both have the ability to kill people, but, on totally different scales. The solutions to stopping those two threats are vastly different.

You missed the point. The comparison is a necessary one... Not a spot on one.