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Parents Declare Hunting Season on 12 year old
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dainthomas
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Please. This type of shit has been going on before him. Why don't you let all those people that have been victims of shit like this in the past know that they were not really victims.
To pretend that this is new is to slap those in the face that have been dealing with this for much longer than Trump.
ultimatebob
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HomerJS
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dainthomas
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I see you got the "jump to conclusions mat" you ordered. The FBI even says these kinds of incidents have increased in the last year and a half.
The president knows exactly who his base is, and these people are in it.
MomentsofSanity
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Hey! Don't you dare try to stifle their religious liberty... or some stupid shit the right would say.
Fuck them all.
Fuck them all.
zinfamous
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These people have now been publicly endorsed as "very fine people" by our very fine POTUS. Please politely inform us when that sort of thing happened in the modern era (or ever, really). They are, literally, the basket of deplorables, the label that they proudly endorse.
Calling them Trumpists doesn't exclude their existence prior to Trump. No one fucking said that. The real difference here is that these people now feel empowered to organize online, publicly, and be very vocal about their nature. They fundamentally believe that their evil is endorsed by and represented by the highest levels of Federal and State government. They've been voting GOP for decades, just for this exact moment.
That's the point.
As i said, its sadly not been a non issue even before Trump.
Its been a problem, it is a problem, and sadly it will be a problem.
dainthomas
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As i said, its sadly not been a non issue even before Trump.
Its been a problem, it is a problem, and sadly it will be a problem.
Agreed. But a definite upward trend (though a small number still). However I was lumping these kind of people in with racists, who I put in the same bucket of idiocy.
You want a time when people accepted attacks against trans people? You are well old enough to know that society is far more accepting than in the past.
https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/health/hate-crimes-tracking-history-fbi/index.html
Take a look at the sexual orientation section. You will see that anti-homosexual went up quite a bit and maxed out in 2011. It has sense fallen off, but I'm sure given the climate will go up a little again.
The point is that just because one dickbag has given tacit support does not mean we hare in a different era. If you go back, its been far worse where it was implied that everyone was against LGBTQ people.
A small upward trend that is inline with other past trends. Trump is not new in this regard. If things continue to get worse then we can start talking about that. But, to pretend that this is new and unique is not true.
I agree that racism shares links with bigotry and other forms of group hatred. That said, when you blame a single person that is new and ignore that this is and has been a problem long before, you make the focus shift to the person and not the issue. Trump is a problem for this topic, but, he is not the main problem and should not be the main focus.
zinfamous
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That "One Dickbag" is actually the POTUS.
address the actual, relevant point that is being made about why this is fundamentally different, then rejoin the actual adults in the conversation.
Again, if you go back, you will find a lot worse when it comes to presidents supporting anti LGBTQ. The difference now is that socially its not accepted, so when Trump does it we all say wow. But, the main point is that this is not new which is what you seem to be feeling.
Think about this. Why did so many states have anti sodomy laws? Why was there a push to make marriage between a man and a woman only?
Check this out from wiki about Carter's era.
Its been worse.
zinfamous
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This is about the person, because it has always been an issue, but without the person. Why don't you understand that?
The violent right, as they always have been, are morally offended by the universal, crawling progress of Universal Human Rights over the last several decades. THis has been the trend, but as you are noticing, we see recent spikes in ultraviolence and very public hate against protected groups that have recently gained parity, if at least legally, with traditional privileged classes. This is morally offensive and intolerable to the universally-recognized right wing zealots of the world, all of whom are endorsed in the US by the GOP over the last 5 or 7 decades.
No one is ignoring the strawman that you are patiently constructing in this thread of the past history of the violent, intolerant right. That isn't the topic, and it isn't particularly relevant. The concerning issue, and worthy of discussion, is that the violent and intolerant right have, for the first time in their history, an unapologetic fascist racist, tweeting the clarion call of their decades of "silent majority" hate and bigotry--endorsing it in an official capacity for the first time. Their concerns and hatred are now made acceptable in their tiny skulls. Their actual lives are made no better by endorsing their reptilian fears, but they sure do feel better about themselves that little mussolini is finally here to stroke their pleasure centers.
They believe that, finally, decades of slow progress and pushback against their intolerable hate and regression will finally be halted by the GOP's open and bold acceptance of the worst of the absolute worst that humanity has to offer. This, they believe, is their moment.
That's the issue.
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Younigue
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brad, we can only deal in today.As i said, its sadly not been a non issue even before Trump.
Its been a problem, it is a problem, and sadly it will be a problem.
Your fight for the past isn't wrong but a call to change now is welcome and should be jumped upon.
Why must you dismiss today?
Vic
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IMO the issue here is that we have adults making credible threats of violence against a child, which is not constitutionally protected speech. That the child is LGBT is unfortunate but merely incidental. These adults should be prosecuted.
pauldun170
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I'm not. I just don't want the focus to be only on Trump as if solving him will solve this. It will do next to nothing in terms of this problem. So, I spoke out against trying to label this a problem of Trump.
Most of us thought it was stupid to say racism was over when Obama got elected right? We thought it was dumb because electing a single person does not solve such a large issue. Same applies here but in reverse.
My worry is that just like what we saw after Obama, we would see the same with Trump. When Obama won, people let their guard down and we saw a spike in racism. I worry that focusing on Trump will have the same type of effect given this is not a problem of Trump.
Younigue
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I hear ya. But this is an emboldened base BY Trump. It's crucial to remove him and place some of the blame at his feet.
Oh sure. We have talked about that before. But, when someone says that this is Trump's Murica implying this is new and or unique to Trump's era, then I will speak out. Remove him, give him the blame he is due, but, don't pretend that this type of thing would not have happened before him. Don't build an illusion that cutting off Trump will kill the beast that was around long before him and just as vicious.
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