Parent accidentally shoots son in parking lot

[Sheep221]

I will never understand why are weapons sold to civilians, and if, why the hell they are carrying them outside...

 

[Gerle]

Sheep, who should be allowed (by the government apparently) to have guns? Why do you think these people should be allowed to have them? When and where should carry be permitted?

 

[hal2kilo]

Think of the ten dumbest people you ran into this week.
Then imagine them carrying guns.

:thumbsup:

 

[FaaR]

Approximately 3x as many kids die in motor vehicle accidents every year than died in accidental gun discharges from 1999-2010*. Are motor vehicles the problem?

That's a total non sequitur. Unlike guns, cars have other uses besides killing people. Actually, the purpose of a car is NOT to kill people, again; unlike a gun. So your example is actually completely absurd, although being a gun nut apologist as you seem to be, absurdities are required and expected in order to defend your chosen postion.

It's easy to point the blame at the gun, but the fact of the matter is that the parent was negligent, probably grossly so.

Of course negligence was a factor. An event often, maybe even usually, have many contributing factors and not just one, sole cause. However, the gun was absolutely the main contributor by far in this particular tragedy. There's no arguing around that fact.

The gun in this instance facilitated the negligence but the source was solely the parent.

You know... There's this saying that states that before you can fix a problem you have to admit it exists. The US has a severe, in fact enormous gun problem, but a huge portion of the population refuse to see the pink elephant in the living room. Just one major US city routinely has as many gun-related homicides in a year as entire European nations. How on earth can you sit there and say that guns aren't a contributing factor there? It's incomprehensible.

That negligent parent likely would have otherwise harmed the kid in some other fashion had the gun been absent because that's what negligent parents do.

Way to overgeneralize. You don't know anything about this guy (besides that he slipped up handling his gun - perhaps this one time in his life), and you've already decided he was predestined to off, or at least maim his kid in some other way had this not happened. That's just deplorable, by any standard.

 

[cwjerome]

If you banned guns, you'd turn the US into a country like many others. Everything would be fine.

This is too funny.

Some people have no idea what the world is like outside their little bubble.

 

[cwjerome]

this isn't a point. It's a distraction.

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It's over once the bullet is fired and the person is dead in a way that is more certain than a person smoking cigarettes for a few years then deciding to quit, but still getting cancer down the line.

You know what's a distraction? Arguing over how fast something can kill somebody.

That's very fine of you to anoint yourself everyone's personal safety officer and it's especially magnanimous of you to promote intrusive and oppressive public policy derived from your own pathetic phobias and hangups.

 

[blankslate]

You know what's a distraction? Arguing over how fast something can kill somebody.

That's very fine of you to anoint yourself everyone's personal safety officer and it's especially magnanimous of you to promote intrusive and oppressive public policy derived from your own pathetic phobias and hangups.

Way to miss the point...

comparing guns to cigarettes is pretty much as stupid as your post.

Because I wan't appointing myself a safety officer and your assumption that I'm afraid of guns is also stupid as I enjoy a nice afternoon of plinking.

However, the difference between me and the idiot who killed his kid is that I know how to treat a firearm with the respect that it deserves. I would be very conscious of where it was pointed, my finger wouldn't be inside the trigger guard unless I was ready to fire (should be a moot point in a parking lot), and moreover before I brought it around a kid it would have been cleared.

 

[cwjerome]

You know... There's this saying that states that before you can fix a problem you have to admit it exists. The US has a severe, in fact enormous gun problem, but a huge portion of the population refuse to see the pink elephant in the living room. Just one major US city routinely has as many gun-related homicides in a year as entire European nations. How on earth can you sit there and say that guns aren't a contributing factor there? It's incomprehensible.

What country are you from FaaR?

Does the US have a severe, no... ENORMOUS, gun problem? Statistically speaking, gun deaths are extremely low compared with other forms of death, especially accidental. If your basis is that the US many more deaths compared to other countries, then go no further. It's pretty clear that the US is perfectly content with those numbers given the constitutional, historical, cultural, and case law support firearms freedom has in this country. Apparently, Americans favor freedom over safety in this area... and that's not going to change anytime soon.

 

[cwjerome]

Way to miss the point...

comparing guns to cigarettes is pretty much as stupid as your post.

Because I wan't appointing myself a safety officer and your assumption that I'm afraid of guns is also stupid as I enjoy a nice afternoon of plinking.

However, the difference between me and the idiot who killed his kid is that I know how to treat a firearm with the respect that it deserves. I would be very conscious of where it was pointed, my finger wouldn't be inside the trigger guard unless I was ready to fire (should be a moot point in a parking lot), and moreover before I brought it around a kid it would have been cleared.

Once again, I'm so very pleased that you're such a responsible gun user, that just brightens my day. Maybe you can volunteer your expert safety services to others then, instead of treating everyone like idiots by promoting intrusive, oppressive firearm legislation.

 

[blankslate]

Once again, I'm so very pleased that you're such a responsible gun user, that just brightens my day. Maybe you can volunteer your expert safety services to others then, instead of treating everyone like idiots by promoting intrusive, oppressive firearm legislation.

Way to miss the point again troll.

where in my posts about this negligent shooting did I suggest that more gun legislation would have helped?

Answer that...




Oh wait I didn't. Maybe you and spidey should trade private message each other I bet you two would make great pals.

 

[bigrash]

Once again, guns are NOT the problem.

Because if he was carrying a laptop or an apple, it would have killed his son too.

 

[cwjerome]

Way to miss the point again troll.

where in my posts about this negligent shooting did I suggest that more gun legislation would have helped?
Answer that...

I don't know, did you? Because I was just responding to the direction and tone of your posts, which to me indicates you think there should be more controls. Either that, or you just like talking about how smart you are around guns and how stupid other people can be.

So yes or no, do you think we need more laws? If you say no, then I was clearly wrong about you.

 

[blankslate]

No I didn't troll. Because no law is going to help a negligent person who proceeds to shoot his kid. Way to go being too lazy to read a 3 page thread before making stupid assumptions.

As for gun laws there are stupid ones and not so stupid ones.

As for being right about me. Think what you want about my attitudes toward guns.

 

[shira]

Approximately 3x as many kids die in motor vehicle accidents every year than died in accidental gun discharges from 1999-2010*. Are motor vehicles the problem? If those parents didn't own cars, would those kids be alive now?

Clearly you've made a totally rational argument, taking into account all relevant factors. Because we all know that the practical benefits of carrying a gun every day are are least as great as the practical benefits of driving a car.

Why, just make a list of the daily, practical benefits of each and it's totally clear the comparing the death rates of the two is a really good reasoning.

 

[Sheep221]

Sheep, who should be allowed (by the government apparently) to have guns? Why do you think these people should be allowed to have them? When and where should carry be permitted?

People who work for military, police, security and so on have guns because of their job, once they are off duty, just leave the weapons at the station/military base. Simple. If you have hobby in shooting, leave the guns at shooting range. Hunters should be the only ones allowed to have weapons at home, but accidents like this are not really going to happen with them because they carry rifles instead of pistols. Why the regular citizen, like the man above had the loaded weapon with him and his son?

 

[cwjerome]

Clearly you've made a totally rational argument, taking into account all relevant factors. Because we all know that the practical benefits of carrying a gun every day are are least as great as the practical benefits of driving a car.

Why, just make a list of the daily, practical benefits of each and it's totally clear the comparing the death rates of the two is a really good reasoning.

Why not compare them? Guns might have less practical benefit than cars, and the accidental deaths from guns is much, much less as well. Maybe that's why society tolerates it.

It's a good thing we don't base laws solely on practical benefit anyway... that would really be bad.

 

[silverpig]

What country are you from FaaR?

Does the US have a severe, no... ENORMOUS, gun problem? Statistically speaking, gun deaths are extremely low compared with other forms of death, especially accidental. If your basis is that the US many more deaths compared to other countries, then go no further. It's pretty clear that the US is perfectly content with those numbers given the constitutional, historical, cultural, and case law support firearms freedom has in this country. Apparently, Americans favor freedom over safety in this area... and that's not going to change anytime soon.

This post is hilarious. You admit the US has way more deaths compared to other countries, but say "meh, whatever".

Just because some people grew up with guns, and that is the culture in some of the US, doesn't mean it is a good thing.

 

[QueBert]

Approximately 3x as many kids die in motor vehicle accidents every year than died in accidental gun discharges from 1999-2010*. Are motor vehicles the problem? If those parents didn't own cars, would those kids be alive now?
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Humm 3x more in cars, yet there are what 500x more cars on the roads than gun owners? Seem's like you proved the exact opposite point of the one you were trying.

 

[spidey07]

Father's fault, broke the 4 rules. He's got to live with it, that's punishment enough.

You don't let the muzzle cover something you don't want destroyed. And you keep your ah heck hook off the bang stick unless you intend to destroy what's it's pointed at.

Handled properly guns are very safe.

 

[cwjerome]

This post is hilarious. You admit the US has way more deaths compared to other countries, but say "meh, whatever".

Just because some people grew up with guns, and that is the culture in some of the US, doesn't mean it is a good thing.

Exactly. Don't pretend we are going to base our own policy on another country's legal, philosophical, social, and cultural history. And we certainly don't care about what Canadians think about our gun laws.

 

[cwjerome]

Humm 3x more in cars, yet there are what 500x more cars on the roads than gun owners? Seem's like you proved the exact opposite point of the one you were trying.

Why not compare cars and guns, not cars and people?

 

[StinkyPinky]

Gun nuts are hilarious. They always go on about the right to protect themselves, but most gun deaths in the USA are ACCIDENTAL. You are more likely to kill you own kids with your gun than any intruder.

And if guns really make you safe, why does the US have such rampant murder rates? Home invasions in the US are much more common when compared to culturally similar countries that restrict guns, so clearly it doesn't even work as a deterrent.

So just be honest and say you want a gun because you think it's cool. I can accept that much more than some BS about safety.

 

[spidey07]

Gun nuts are hilarious. They always go on about the right to protect themselves, but most gun deaths in the USA are ACCIDENTAL. You are more likely to kill you own kids with your gun than any intruder.

And if guns really make you safe, why does the US have such rampant murder rates? Home invasions in the US are much more common when compared to culturally similar countries that restrict guns, so clearly it doesn't even work as a deterrent.

So just be honest and say you want a gun because you think it's cool. I can accept that much more than some BS about safety.

That is a bald faced lie, nowhere near true.

 

[cwjerome]

Gun nuts are hilarious. They always go on about the right to protect themselves, but most gun deaths in the USA are ACCIDENTAL. You are more likely to kill you own kids with your gun than any intruder.

And if guns really make you safe, why does the US have such rampant murder rates? Home invasions in the US are much more common when compared to culturally similar countries that restrict guns, so clearly it doesn't even work as a deterrent.

So just be honest and say you want a gun because you think it's cool. I can accept that much more than some BS about safety.

OK, most gun deaths are accidental. And if you look on any list of accidental deaths, gun deaths are low on the list. To use some words of fear-mongering tyrants in this thread, is gun ownership the SEVERE and ENORMOUS problem this nation faces?

I'll tell you why this gun nut wants to own firearms: Because they are fun, they are useful, they have a lot of symbolic and historical significance to me...and it's pretty much my fuckin right. Oh, and they are cool.

EDIT: A quick search shows that in 2001, there were 802 gun accident fatalities and 8890 gun homicides. I guess most gun deaths aren't accidental.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Gun nuts are hilarious. They always go on about the right to protect themselves, but most gun deaths in the USA are ACCIDENTAL. You are more likely to kill you own kids with your gun than any intruder.

And if guns really make you safe, why does the US have such rampant murder rates? Home invasions in the US are much more common when compared to culturally similar countries that restrict guns, so clearly it doesn't even work as a deterrent.

So just be honest and say you want a gun because you think it's cool. I can accept that much more than some BS about safety.

Most gun deaths are suicides. Then homicides. Accidental deaths are a very small percentage to be honest.