Parent accidentally shoots son in parking lot

[Gerle]

Do you support car, rat poison, knife, screwdriver bans too, just to mention a few useful things that are very dangerous when handled by fools?

 

[DCal430]

Do you support car, rat poison, knife, screwdriver bans too, just to mention a few useful things that are very dangerous when handled by fools?

Guns have one function to maim and murder. Those other things have important uses.

 

[Gerle]

Sure, but guns are great equalizers too. They allow old or handicapped people to defend themselves, they have let even children defend themselves during home invasions. Any tool used incorrectly is dangerous.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

Do you support car, rat poison, knife, screwdriver bans too, just to mention a few useful things that are very dangerous when handled by fools?

Yeah, because it's common for people to be accidently stabbed and killed with a screwdriver...

Dumbass.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Guiz guiz. one guy makes a mistake. That makes you all responsible. Give me your guns, you don't get to have them anymore. I'm arresting you for being associated with a gun owner that shot his kid, you are guilty by association.

Also, in your school there are retarded kids. Since retarded kids are in your school - that makes you all retarded.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Yeah, because it's common for people to be accidently stabbed and killed with a screwdriver...

Dumbass.

Uhhh he does have a bit of a point. Yeah, all those baby things for sharp corners, electrical outlets, keeping the cabinets underneath the sink (Rat poison, cleaners, etc) locked.

 

[FaaR]

Once again, guns are NOT the problem.

Of course it's the problem. If that parent hadn't been carrying a gun his kid would have been alive now, I don't see how you could say something like that, considering the actual events.

Also, consider rate of gun-related violence, homicides, accidental shootings, random killing sprees, postalness etc in the US, versus...well pretty much any western nation on the planet actually. Hard to say guns have NOTHING to do with any of that and still keep a straight face (or at least a standard-length nose) I'd say!

 

[Matt1970]

lol PWNED!!!!!

The equivilent of "I know you are but what am I?" is owned?

He doesn't even own the computer he is on.

 

[shira]

I'm sure that if 100% of the adult population carried, we'd all be much safer. Because as everyone knows, the average person - with a 100 IQ - will consistently practice safe handling of their handgun and will never use their handgun in the heat of anger.

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm sure that if 100% of the adult population carried, we'd all be much safer. Because as everyone knows, the average person - with a 100 IQ - will consistently practice safe handling of their handgun and will never use their handgun in the heat of anger.

All those that don't would have already shot their kids or themselves on accident and are no longer polluting the gene pool. It's a self-correcting problem.

 

[shira]

All those that don't would have already shot their kids or themselves on accident and are no longer polluting the gene pool. It's a self-correcting problem.

Exactly! Because it's clear that a stupid, irrational, and/or careless person with a handgun will never shoot anyone but their blood relatives.

 

[Gerle]

Yeah, because it's common for people to be accidently stabbed and killed with a screwdriver...

Dumbass.

That was not what I said. The increase in stabbing post-gun ban in Britain show that it is the intent of the user, not the tool that matters.
Would you talk like that face to face, pal?

 

[shira]

That was not what I said. The increase in stabbing post-gun ban in Britain show that it is the intent of the user, not the tool that matters.
Would you talk like that face to face, pal?

Exactly. Which is why the U.S. Army has decided to stop issuing firearms to soldiers. The Army knows that knives and clubs are just as deadly in combat situations as firearms, as long as soldiers are taught correct "intent."

 

[Kntx]

Throw this guy in jail for 10 years

 

[Gerle]

Exactly. Which is why the U.S. Army has decided to stop issuing firearms to soldiers. The Army knows that knives and clubs are just as deadly in combat situations as firearms, as long as soldiers are taught correct "intent."

Did you have anything to contribute?

 

[cwjerome]

I'm sure that if 100% of the adult population carried, we'd all be much safer. Because as everyone knows, the average person - with a 100 IQ - will consistently practice safe handling of their handgun and will never use their handgun in the heat of anger.

I'm sure that you are correct and average people are dumb and can't be trusted and your perceived safety is paramount and trumps any rights others might hold.

 

[waggy]

Yes, clearly the man who can't tell the difference between a real news story and an onion story should be commenting on this.

You... you would be the top 10 dumb people to accidentally kill someone with a gun.

he did? bwhahahahah ok that was funny phokus.


I am all for people having firearms. BUT we need actual training for it (at a low cost to be honest. maybe something in school).

 

[Juror No. 8]

I'm sure that if 100% of the adult population carried, we'd all be much safer. Because as everyone knows, the average person - with a 100 IQ - will consistently practice safe handling of their handgun and will never use their handgun in the heat of anger.

I don't get it. People like you scream and whine until you get everyone in a government school, but then you always complain about the finished product.

 

[sactoking]

Of course it's the problem. If that parent hadn't been carrying a gun his kid would have been alive now, I don't see how you could say something like that, considering the actual events.

Also, consider rate of gun-related violence, homicides, accidental shootings, random killing sprees, postalness etc in the US, versus...well pretty much any western nation on the planet actually. Hard to say guns have NOTHING to do with any of that and still keep a straight face (or at least a standard-length nose) I'd say!

Approximately 3x as many kids die in motor vehicle accidents every year than died in accidental gun discharges from 1999-2010*. Are motor vehicles the problem? If those parents didn't own cars, would those kids be alive now?

Arguments such as these are non-starters. It's easy to point the blame at the gun, but the fact of the matter is that the parent was negligent, probably grossly so. The gun in this instance facilitated the negligence but the source was solely the parent. That negligent parent likely would have otherwise harmed the kid in some other fashion had the gun been absent because that's what negligent parents do.

It's easy to blame the gun. Guns don't have feelings. Guns don't crumble psychologically when you tell them "You killed your own kid". You don't have to look a gun in the eye as you pass judgment. But the gun is an inanimate object and, while it fired the bullet, the parent killed the kid.

*5495 motor vehicle fatalities in 2009 for people aged 20 and younger http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811620.pdf
1886 accidental gun discharge fatalities from 1999-2010 for people aged 19 and younger http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal_injury_reports.html

 

[soulcougher73]

I just can't imagine you carrying a gun, sorry.

I dont think your attempt to be funny worked. In a round about way you are saying he is not one of the 10 dumbest people you met this week

 

[Texashiker]

from the time this thread started, until I made this post, how many people died from lung cancer to which cigarettes contributed?

 

[silverpig]

Approximately 3x as many kids die in motor vehicle accidents every year than died in accidental gun discharges from 1999-2010*. Are motor vehicles the problem? If those parents didn't own cars, would those kids be alive now?

Arguments such as these are non-starters. It's easy to point the blame at the gun, but the fact of the matter is that the parent was negligent, probably grossly so. The gun in this instance facilitated the negligence but the source was solely the parent. That negligent parent likely would have otherwise harmed the kid in some other fashion had the gun been absent because that's what negligent parents do.

It's easy to blame the gun. Guns don't have feelings. Guns don't crumble psychologically when you tell them "You killed your own kid". You don't have to look a gun in the eye as you pass judgment. But the gun is an inanimate object and, while it fired the bullet, the parent killed the kid.

*5495 motor vehicle fatalities in 2009 for people aged 20 and younger http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811620.pdf
1886 accidental gun discharge fatalities from 1999-2010 for people aged 19 and younger http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/fatal_injury_reports.html

If you banned guns, you'd turn the US into a country like many others. Everything would be fine.

If you banned cars on the other hand...

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Guns shouldn't be banned for all the reasons stated above. Everyone shouldn't be forced to have a gun for the reasons stated above. The people that want to own guns should have the common sense to get training. Those that don't kill their own children (Or Billy finds his Dad's pop-gun) and the problem sorts itself out.

Fin.

 

[rumpleforeskin]

Many things are dangerous and the key is minimising that danger by minimising peoples exposure to dangerous items. This is a important in preventing accidents.

Kitchen knives, usually kept in a knife block in the kitchen and only taken out when used. You would not carry a kitchen knife with you when going to the shop as it is not needed and may accidentally injure someone. Yet when back in the kitchen the tool is easily available and the risk is minimised.

So maybe instead of people carrying guns around all the time they could be picked up at the entrances to shooting ranges / schools / liquor stores where they are most used and handed back in on the way out.

This would cut down the majority of the accidental firearm discharges while still allowing use of guns for target practice on firing ranges, robbing stores and intentionally gunning down people who dis you in school.

safety first.

 

[blankslate]

from the time this thread started, until I made this post, how many people died from lung cancer to which cigarettes contributed?

this isn't a point. It's a distraction.

While guns and cigarettes are both profitable for their manufacturers and both have lobbies for them.

Cigarettes take a while kill a person and usually the person is killing himself. Yes there is the affect of second hand smoke but now you'd have had to have been living under a rock for 20 years to not know the dangers of it. The main difference is the minimum time it can take between the two items being compared to kill an individual.

People can avoid the cigarette smoker without dying from sudden second-hand smoke syndrome. A cigarette smoker can try to quit before his risks of premature death from smoking get too high.


With a gun an idiot can inadvertently kill their kid in less time than it takes the average cigarette addict to take a drag.

It's over once the bullet is fired and the person is dead in a way that is more certain than a person smoking cigarettes for a few years then deciding to quit, but still getting cancer down the line.