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Parent accidentally shoots son in parking lot

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OK, most gun deaths are accidental. And if you look on any list of accidental deaths, gun deaths are low on the list. To use some words of fear-mongering tyrants in this thread, is gun ownership the SEVERE and ENORMOUS problem this nation faces?

I'll tell you why this gun nut wants to own firearms: Because they are fun, they are useful, they have a lot of symbolic and historical significance to me...and it's pretty much my fuckin right. Oh, and they are cool.

Indeed. Just don't go about about safety as a reason for wanting one, because statistically you're extremely unlikely to use it for anything other than shooting at targets on a shooting range.

The next time I see bubba hick rant on about having a gun to protect his family from criminals and govt tyranny I just want to reach into the TV and slap him.
 
Indeed. Just don't go about about safety as a reason for wanting one, because statistically you're extremely unlikely to use it for anything other than shooting at targets on a shooting range.

The next time I see bubba hick rant on about having a gun to protect his family from criminals and govt tyranny I just want to reach into the TV and slap him.

I said useful. Protection or defense is very useful in my book.
 
Indeed. Just don't go about about safety as a reason for wanting one, because statistically you're extremely unlikely to use it for anything other than shooting at targets on a shooting range.

The next time I see bubba hick rant on about having a gun to protect his family from criminals and govt tyranny I just want to reach into the TV and slap him.

Have your house broken into and you'll change your tune right quick, that's what made me immediately run out and start buying firearms. It will change your entire outlook.

As the man of the house it is my duty to protect my wife and family, a firearm is the only real effective tool to do my job as husband. She's got her own of course in case I'm not there.

There was just a story a few days ago about a home invasion close by where the criminals held the couple hostage all night raping the wife. Bet they wish they had a firearm.

The protection against tyranny is just a nice added bonus that makes our country so great.

Here's the story...
http://www.wdrb.com/story/20279268/new-albany-police-investigate-vicious-rape-robbery
 
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nth example as to why Civilians carrying Guns around in a First World Nation is just plain stupid.

I doubt this tragedy will get many to pull their heads out of their asses, but hopefully some do.
 
I said useful. Protection or defense is very useful in my book.

And yet other English speaking countries have homicide rates far less than our own, and they all have restricted gun ownership.

Homicides in these countries are also more likely to be stabbings which have a higher survivability rate.

So if guns protect US citizens, why are our murder rate at third world levels? Why do we think it is illegal for kids to drink at 19, but perfectly ok to carry around guns? We're a mixed up paranoid society.
 
Have your house broken into and you'll change your tune right quick, that's what made me immediately run out and start buying firearms. It will change your entire outlook.

As the man of the house it is my duty to protect my wife and family, a firearm is the only real effective tool to do my job as husband. She's got her own of course in case I'm not there.

There was just a story a few days ago about a home invasion close by where the criminals held the couple hostage all night raping the wife. Bet they wish they had a firearm.

The protection against tyranny is just a nice added bonus that makes our country so great.

Here's the story...
http://www.wdrb.com/story/20279268/new-albany-police-investigate-vicious-rape-robbery

And for every story you post about an invasion, I can post ten about an accidental shooting or a story where dad tried to be a hero and got his family killed.

So if someone bursts into your house while you are watching TV, what do you do then? Run upstairs and dust off that gun? And then what? Get in a firefight with them while your kids watch?

Sounds like a good idea...
 
I pull the handgun under the couch is what I do. Or grab the one next to me which is everyday carry. I'm seconds away from a loaded ready to fire weapon anywhere in my house.

To me it's like having a pocket knife. Don't have to go get it, they are everywhere.
 
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That's a total non sequitur. Unlike guns, cars have other uses besides killing people. Actually, the purpose of a car is NOT to kill people, again; unlike a gun. So your example is actually completely absurd, although being a gun nut apologist as you seem to be, absurdities are required and expected in order to defend your chosen postion.

Cars have a primary purpose: transporting from one location to another. Yet cars are often used negligently with a result not intended: death. Guns in the hands of private citizens have a primary purpose: self defense. Yet guns are often used negligently with a result not intended: accidental discharge death. Both are tools, inanimate objects, which only operate given the input of the users. Guns don't choose to kill certain people, just as cars don't.

Additionally, if you took the time to research my post history, you'd see that I'm not a "gun nut apologist". I doubt if I've ever posted in a gun thread in AT on either side of the topic. The only reason I chose to do so this time was not to advance a pro-gun agenda (truthfully, I'm very mildly anti-gun) but to point the spotlight of responsibility on to the negligent parent.

You are very obviously anti-gun, to the point where it clouds your judgment. You cannot see that someone who does not share your zealotry is anything other than "the enemy". ATP&N posters like this are quick to blame the gun and forgive the operator, and that's just wrong.

Of course negligence was a factor. An event often, maybe even usually, have many contributing factors and not just one, sole cause. However, the gun was absolutely the main contributor by far in this particular tragedy. There's no arguing around that fact.

No, the main contributing factor was the operator's negligence.

Way to overgeneralize. You don't know anything about this guy (besides that he slipped up handling his gun - perhaps this one time in his life), and you've already decided he was predestined to off, or at least maim his kid in some other way had this not happened. That's just deplorable, by any standard.

Eh, I chose my words poorly. Instead of saying "That negligent parent likely would have otherwise harmed the kid in some other fashion" I should have said "That negligent parent was more likely to otherwise harm the kid in some other fashion". The first connotes predestiny and the second connotes increased probability.

Clearly you've made a totally rational argument, taking into account all relevant factors. Because we all know that the practical benefits of carrying a gun every day are are least as great as the practical benefits of driving a car.

Why, just make a list of the daily, practical benefits of each and it's totally clear the comparing the death rates of the two is a really good reasoning.

You missed the entire point: those clamoring for gun restrictions do so because it's "the gun's fault" and absolve the negligent owner and fail to make parallel claims against motor vehicles, instead choosing to absolve the vehicle and blame the operator. Motor vehicles are no less deadly than guns, yet they get a pass.

Humm 3x more in cars, yet there are what 500x more cars on the roads than gun owners? Seem's like you proved the exact opposite point of the one you were trying.

Reading fail. 3x more deaths in one year than guns in 11 years. But again, the magnitude is irrelevant, what is relevant is the hypocrisy.
 
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Why are people even comparing cars to guns? Cars are designed to get people somewhere.

Guns are designed to kill people. That is their sole and only function.

Comparing cars and guns is ridiculous.
 
They always go on about the right to protect themselves, but most gun deaths in the USA are ACCIDENTAL.
Debunked. Next.

So just be honest and say you want a gun because you think it's cool. I can accept that much more than some BS about safety.
Firearms are also a huge form of recreation. People target shoot, hunt for sport, etc.

As society has evolved, so has the general purpose for firearms. 100 years ago, they were in every home. They were used for hunting, for personal defense, and for recreation. Now we buy most of our meat at the supermarket, and we have developed a large domestic police force and judicial system. That doesn't mean hunting and personal defense aren't valid current uses, but they represent a much smaller portion of all firearms owners.

Firearms is a multi-billion dollar industry that supports hundreds of thousands of jobs. A child's death is tragic; homicides are tragic; but I don't like to punish the many for the mistakes of a few.
 
Debunked. Next.


Firearms are also a huge form of recreation. People target shoot, hunt for sport, etc.

As society has evolved, so has the general purpose for firearms. 100 years ago, they were in every home. They were used for hunting, for personal defense, and for recreation. Now we buy most of our meat at the supermarket, and we have developed a large domestic police force and judicial system. That doesn't mean hunting and personal defense aren't valid current uses, but they represent a much smaller portion of all firearms owners.

Firearms is a multi-billion dollar industry that supports hundreds of thousands of jobs. A child's death is tragic; homicides are tragic; but I don't like to punish the many for the mistakes of a few.

Actually most gun deaths in the U.S are from suicide.
 
Hunters should be the only ones allowed to have weapons at home, but accidents like this are not really going to happen with them because they carry rifles instead of pistols. Why the regular citizen, like the man above had the loaded weapon with him and his son?
False. Many hunters use pistols our revolvers for hunting. They are also great in bar country, even if you aren't hunting.
Why not, he can't very well carry a police man around with him, can he?
 
Done a lot of hunting with your 9mm lately? Or your shotgun?
Shotguns are the preferred choice for turkey hunting. Even 9mms have a place, lots of hunters keep them or similar pistols as 'self defense' when bow hunting dangerous game (elk, moose, bear, convicted-rapists-shipped-to-ungoverned-islands).
Just FYI.
 
Father's fault, broke the 4 rules. He's got to live with it, that's punishment enough.

You don't let the muzzle cover something you don't want destroyed. And you keep your ah heck hook off the bang stick unless you intend to destroy what's it's pointed at.

Handled properly guns are very safe.

Handled properly, dynamite is very safe. So we should let everyone own dynamite.

Handled properly, plutonium is very safe. So we should let everyone own plutonium.
 
Handled properly, dynamite is very safe. So we should let everyone own dynamite.

Handled properly, plutonium is very safe. So we should let everyone own plutonium.

The problem with your thinking is "let".

You have no say in what I can own.
 
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