Palin says: "Obama pals around with terrorists"

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Even with all the spin on that "article", it proves Obama is trying to cover up a past association with someone.

If so, maybe it's his association with YOU or someone else equally insignificant, because he hasn't denied his connection to Ayres. :roll:

Ayres was member of the Weather Underground that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974, when Obama was around eight years old. You're going to have to spin a lot of smoke and bullshit to make that connection stick as somehow painting thier guilt on Obama.

Since then, Ayres, himself has evolved into a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles. The Woods Fund is a foundation that supports grassroots change efforts.

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board.

Source.

Is that a swiftboat in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? :roll:

Harvey, this wouldn't be such a big deal if he didn't say he wished he did more back in 2001 was it? It wouldn't be a big deal if with all this in consideration Obama truly didn't know. If those 2 things were vetted, this would be a non issue and make Republicans look like asses (even more so).

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This comes from the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers and has nothing to do with foreign governments or 'preconditions'

Are you that dense?

Obama's FIRST fundraiser was held at the house of a admitted terrorist.

Who's behavior Obama has publicly denounced.

I know you folks like to play the "Obama associates with bad people" card a lot, but are you really suggesting that everyone McCain has ever associated with is a perfect saint? Not that I would care either way, I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others, but it makes your argument look pretty stupid.

Did he denounce him before or after Ayers helped to raise money for Obama's campaign?

Also, Obama seems to have a history of denouncing people after his association with them becomes a problem.

Ayers held a fundraiser for Obama in his private home and yet Obama wants us to believe that 'he is just a guy I know"

If you have an argument to make, you should make it. I don't think your conspiracy theory style insinuations are worth very much. Are you suggesting Obama is a terrorist or has terrorist sympathies? If so, I hope you have more proof than THIS.

I think the biggest question people have is...did he know what Bill Ayers was and his views? Was his past a big secret? I think that's a legitimate question, and not some conspiracy being put forth. It's a simple question, but everybody is afraid to ask him.

It's a DUMB question...does it really matter what the answer is? And if so, why?

People are "asking the question" so they can say "terrorist" and "Obama" in the same sentence as many times as possible before election day.

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
She's become desperate, it's fun to watch their campaign unravel.

Make no mistake, she's being controlled by people behind the scenes. A few weeks ago (maybe even a few days) she probably didn't have any idea who any of these people are.

 

[NoStateofMind]

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[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This comes from the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers and has nothing to do with foreign governments or 'preconditions'

Are you that dense?

Obama's FIRST fundraiser was held at the house of a admitted terrorist.

Who's behavior Obama has publicly denounced.

I know you folks like to play the "Obama associates with bad people" card a lot, but are you really suggesting that everyone McCain has ever associated with is a perfect saint? Not that I would care either way, I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others, but it makes your argument look pretty stupid.

Did he denounce him before or after Ayers helped to raise money for Obama's campaign?

Also, Obama seems to have a history of denouncing people after his association with them becomes a problem.

Ayers held a fundraiser for Obama in his private home and yet Obama wants us to believe that 'he is just a guy I know"

If you have an argument to make, you should make it. I don't think your conspiracy theory style insinuations are worth very much. Are you suggesting Obama is a terrorist or has terrorist sympathies? If so, I hope you have more proof than THIS.

I think the biggest question people have is...did he know what Bill Ayers was and his views? Was his past a big secret? I think that's a legitimate question, and not some conspiracy being put forth. It's a simple question, but everybody is afraid to ask him.

It's a DUMB question...does it really matter what the answer is? And if so, why?

It shows very poor judgment. Obama's whole campaign is around change and judgment. If he knew he was being helped up by an admitted terrorist who is not apologetic about it, that doesn't bother you?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Even with all the spin on that "article", it proves Obama is trying to cover up a past association with someone.

If so, maybe it's his association with YOU or someone else equally insignificant, because he hasn't denied his connection to Ayres. :roll:

Ayres was member of the Weather Underground that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974, when Obama was around eight years old. You're going to have to spin a lot of smoke and bullshit to make that connection stick as somehow painting thier guilt on Obama.

Since then, Ayres, himself has evolved into a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. The Woods Fund is a foundation that supports grassroots change efforts.

Source.

Is that a swiftboat in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? :roll:

That's OK, I spoke with family members last night that insist they can't vote for Obama because he is a Muslim.

They also said that it is Pelosi's fault and the Democrats for the Financial collapse 2 weeks ago and before that the economy was strong.

I weep 🙁

 

[dsity]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This comes from the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers and has nothing to do with foreign governments or 'preconditions'

Are you that dense?

Obama's FIRST fundraiser was held at the house of a admitted terrorist.

Who's behavior Obama has publicly denounced.

I know you folks like to play the "Obama associates with bad people" card a lot, but are you really suggesting that everyone McCain has ever associated with is a perfect saint? Not that I would care either way, I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others, but it makes your argument look pretty stupid.

Did he denounce him before or after Ayers helped to raise money for Obama's campaign?

Also, Obama seems to have a history of denouncing people after his association with them becomes a problem.

Ayers held a fundraiser for Obama in his private home and yet Obama wants us to believe that 'he is just a guy I know"

No shit sherlock. Doesnt everyone do this? If its not a problem you don't worry about it. If it turns to a problem you denounce it.

 

[Jhhnn]

As the McCain camp's desperation grows, their slime output will increase exponentially...

On the issues, they're toast, and they know it, so they'll rely on the usual innuendo and fearmongering. It was Wright last week, this week it's Ayers, next week it'll be the sekrit muslim routine- wash, rinse, repeat- toss in anything else that might work, no matter how scurrilous.

Ayers is a part of the Democratic party network in Chicago, and an eager host of fundraisers for a variety of candidates. Obama wasn't the first or the last, just one among many.

Palin's association with the Kenyan preacher who believes in Witchcraft is really a lot more troubling... She even described him as "awesome", remember?

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Even with all the spin on that "article", it proves Obama is trying to cover up a past association with someone.

If so, maybe it's his association with YOU or someone else equally insignificant, because he hasn't denied his connection to Ayres. :roll:

Ayres was member of the Weather Underground that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974, when Obama was around eight years old. You're going to have to spin a lot of smoke and bullshit to make that connection stick as somehow painting thier guilt on Obama.

Since then, Ayres, himself has evolved into a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. The Woods Fund is a foundation that supports grassroots change efforts.

Source.

Is that a swiftboat in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? :roll:

If those are all the facts as to Ayers helping Obama out, then I have zero problem with this association. THe more troubling thing is that he's a professor.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

This whole Wright/Ayers/Rezco shit just doesn't stick onto Obama. The fact that McCain is going here shows you how far behind he is at this point in the race.

The MSM will not go out of their way to make this a top issue. Not with the economy being as bad as it is. The bottom line is the entire story is WAY too convoluted and confusing to explain to the average voter and has thus far not gained any meaningful traction.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Harvey, this wouldn't be such a big deal if he didn't say he wished he did more back in 2001 was it? It wouldn't be a big deal if with all this in consideration Obama truly didn't know. If those 2 things were vetted, this would be a non issue and make Republicans look like asses (even more so).

It's swiftboat take 2. They're desperate, and they're grasping for any straws they think they can toss into the wind to distract their followers from the truth about their lying POS candidates.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Even with all the spin on that "article", it proves Obama is trying to cover up a past association with someone.

If so, maybe it's his association with YOU or someone else equally insignificant, because he hasn't denied his connection to Ayres. :roll:

Ayres was member of the Weather Underground that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974, when Obama was around eight years old. You're going to have to spin a lot of smoke and bullshit to make that connection stick as somehow painting thier guilt on Obama.

Since then, Ayres, himself has evolved into a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. The Woods Fund is a foundation that supports grassroots change efforts.

Source.

Is that a swiftboat in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? :roll:

If those are all the facts as to Ayers helping Obama out, then I have zero problem with this association. THe more troubling thing is that he's a professor.

Why don't you actually enlighten yourself about the alleged claims instead of going into threads like this and making BS claims about Obama.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Harvey, this wouldn't be such a big deal if he didn't say he wished he did more back in 2001 was it? It wouldn't be a big deal if with all this in consideration Obama truly didn't know. If those 2 things were vetted, this would be a non issue and make Republicans look like asses (even more so).

It's swiftboat take 2. They're desperate, and they're grasping for any straws they think they can toss into the wind to distract their followers from the truth about their lying POS candidates.

See my last post Harvey. I agree if that's all there is to the connection.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Even with all the spin on that "article", it proves Obama is trying to cover up a past association with someone.

If so, maybe it's his association with YOU or someone else equally insignificant, because he hasn't denied his connection to Ayres. :roll:

Ayres was member of the Weather Underground that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974, when Obama was around eight years old. You're going to have to spin a lot of smoke and bullshit to make that connection stick as somehow painting thier guilt on Obama.

Since then, Ayres, himself has evolved into a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Both Obama and Ayers were members of the board of an anti-poverty group, the Woods Fund of Chicago, between 1999 and 2002. In addition, Ayers contributed $200 to Obama's re-election fund to the Illinois State Senate in April 2001, as reported here. They lived within a few blocks of each other in the trendy Hyde Park section of Chicago, and moved in the same liberal-progressive circles.

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. The Woods Fund is a foundation that supports grassroots change efforts.

Source.

Is that a swiftboat in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me? :roll:

If those are all the facts as to Ayers helping Obama out, then I have zero problem with this association. THe more troubling thing is that he's a professor.

Why don't you actually enlighten yourself about the alleged claims instead of going into threads like this and making BS claims about Obama.

You're right....well actually you're not. Why does anyone post on the forums, afterall they can just research on the internet for truth right?

 

[Moonbeam]

I don't know about the Ayers thingi. I never felt scared or the weather underground, whoever they are. Hedgehogs, I presume, but Obama's connection with the Keating 5 really bothers me. Obama was in Washington pushing the bailout but he has all these connections to the savings and loan disaster and and lobbyists. I would bet Obama has repudiated them too.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This comes from the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers and has nothing to do with foreign governments or 'preconditions'

Are you that dense?

Obama's FIRST fundraiser was held at the house of a admitted terrorist.

Who's behavior Obama has publicly denounced.

I know you folks like to play the "Obama associates with bad people" card a lot, but are you really suggesting that everyone McCain has ever associated with is a perfect saint? Not that I would care either way, I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others, but it makes your argument look pretty stupid.

You have to understand the thinking of ideologues like PJ.

His agenda, which he probably doesn't even realize clearly himself, is for him to 'win' the argument to help 'his guy/side' win, i.e., to 'beat Obama'.

So he looks for anything that might help and it can be greatly distorted.

Obama has some connection to Ayers? Use it! A rational process would ask the significance - is there *any* suggestion Obama will commit terrorist acts, that Obama supports such acts and will do anything as president to encourage or allow such acts? Of course not, and that would be the end of that.

But not for the ideologues, who just want some desparate 'gotcha'. They found some tiny 'imperfection', so even if it's utterly meaningless to the election, use it.

When their thinking is understood you realize the ratinonal response is a waste of time.

 

[Lemon law]

Terrorism is a state of mind and a 6000 year old tactic. It is latent in all of us and flared up with the founders of this country. At some point, when any given country departs so far from a proper course, there will be some people who decide the existing governing system is so rotten, that there is no hope, and therefore the "establishment" should be torn down because reforming a system that rotten is hopeless. Right now, GWB&co's America has driven over 70% of the electorate to a point of extreme disapproval, a financial meltdown may do the rest.

As for an Obama, the Brits sure could have used an Obama back then, because an Obama able to understand and defuse the grievances of potential terrorists and revolutionaries , might have had us still singing God Save the Queen. And instead Mad King George and his ministers pulled a Palin, went lalala, ignored colonist grievances, pissed off the population, and paid the price.

And You are damn right, when someone wants to kill me, I want a leader who understands their motivations and has tactics that will reduce their popular support.

Another Palin epic fail.

 

[dbk]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This comes from the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers and has nothing to do with foreign governments or 'preconditions'

Are you that dense?

Obama's FIRST fundraiser was held at the house of a admitted terrorist.

Who's behavior Obama has publicly denounced.

I know you folks like to play the "Obama associates with bad people" card a lot, but are you really suggesting that everyone McCain has ever associated with is a perfect saint? Not that I would care either way, I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others, but it makes your argument look pretty stupid.

You have to understand the thinking of ideologues like PJ.

His agenda, which he probably doesn't even realize clearly himself, is for him to 'win' the argument to help 'his guy/side' win, i.e., to 'beat Obama'.

So he looks for anything that might help and it can be greatly distorted.

Obama has some connection to Ayers? Use it! A rational process would ask the significance - is there *any* suggestion Obama will commit terrorist acts, that Obama supports such acts and will do anything as president to encourage or allow such acts? Of course not, and that would be the end of that.

But not for the ideologues, who just want some desparate 'gotcha'. They found some tiny 'imperfection', so even if it's utterly meaningless to the election, use it.

When their thinking is understood you realize the ratinonal response is a waste of time.

So where is this terrorist? In jail - life in prison?
Oh wait, he's a professor at UIC. So I guess UIC is a terrorist organization.

And what was Obama's part in Ayers' terrorism? Wasn't Obama 8 years old at that time?

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: dbk

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
This comes from the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers and has nothing to do with foreign governments or 'preconditions'

Are you that dense?

Obama's FIRST fundraiser was held at the house of a admitted terrorist.

Who's behavior Obama has publicly denounced.

I know you folks like to play the "Obama associates with bad people" card a lot, but are you really suggesting that everyone McCain has ever associated with is a perfect saint? Not that I would care either way, I think people are defined by their behavior, not the behavior of others, but it makes your argument look pretty stupid.

You have to understand the thinking of ideologues like PJ.

His agenda, which he probably doesn't even realize clearly himself, is for him to 'win' the argument to help 'his guy/side' win, i.e., to 'beat Obama'.

So he looks for anything that might help and it can be greatly distorted.

Obama has some connection to Ayers? Use it! A rational process would ask the significance - is there *any* suggestion Obama will commit terrorist acts, that Obama supports such acts and will do anything as president to encourage or allow such acts? Of course not, and that would be the end of that.

But not for the ideologues, who just want some desparate 'gotcha'. They found some tiny 'imperfection', so even if it's utterly meaningless to the election, use it.

When their thinking is understood you realize the ratinonal response is a waste of time.

So where is this terrorist? In jail - life in prison?
Oh wait, he's a professor at UIC. So I guess UIC is a terrorist organization.

And what was Obama's part in Ayers' terrorism? Wasn't Obama 8 years old at that time?

"By 1976 or 1977, with federal charges against both fugitives dropped due to prosecutorial misconduct (see COINTELPRO)..."

"Ayers was asked in a January 2004 interview, "How do you feel about what you did? Would you do it again under similar circumstances?" He replied:[22]

I?ve thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it?s impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don?t think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B...ugitive_Days:_A_Memoir

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Craig234

You have to understand the thinking of ideologues like PJ.

His agenda, which he probably doesn't even realize clearly himself, is for him to 'win' the argument to help 'his guy/side' win, i.e., to 'beat Obama'.

No, I don't think PJ aims that high. He just grabs talking points off Republican sites and flings them around, like a monkey flinging its own crap. PJ doesn't really care if he wins/loses and argument, the point is to spread the crap as far and fast as possible.

 

[RKDaley]

Rick Davis said this:

The premise of any smear campaign rests on a central truth of politics: Most of us will vote for a candidate we like and respect, even if we don't agree with him on every issue. But if you can cripple a voter's basic trust in a candidate, you can probably turn his vote. The idea is to find some piece of personal information that is tawdry enough to raise doubts, repelling a candidate's natural supporters. [...]

It's not necessary, however, for a smear to be true to be effective. The most effective smears are based on a kernel of truth and applied in a way that exploits a candidate's political weakness.

This was after the 2000 primaries, when McCain was smeared by Rove and ultimately lost to Bush.

He also said:

Rebutting tawdry attacks focuses public attention on them, and prevents the campaign from talking issues.

http://www.boston.com/news/glo...smear_campaign/?page=2

 

[robphelan]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I don't know about the Ayers thingi. I never felt scared or the weather underground, whoever they are. Hedgehogs, I presume, but Obama's connection with the Keating 5 really bothers me. Obama was in Washington pushing the bailout but he has all these connections to the savings and loan disaster and and lobbyists. I would bet Obama has repudiated them too.

wait, wha? McCain was PART of the Keating 5 - he was like #3 or something.. are you kidding?

Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

 

[RightIsWrong]

If I were in the press corp, I would have followed up with a question of whether or not she knew what or who the Keating Five were. And then I would have asked her if that could be considered a precursor to the current financial crisis and watched her head assplode.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

"Pal" is a verb now?

 

[Balt]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
"Pal" is a verb now?

Sounds like we have one of those elite washington cocktail partiers in our midst.

SHUUUUUUUUUUUUN!



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