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palehorse

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: palehorse
I do not see this conflict ending until one of the two parties is expelled from the region entirely. Even if they form two distinct states, there are too many local and international elements who will encourage and support future attacks against Israel. Groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, as well as nations like Iran, will never stop their crusade to remove Israel from the ME -- never.

Crusades? Crusades were defensive wars against raping robbing and killing of Gentile pilgrims to the holy land and piracy of shipping of Gentile fleets. I wonder from whom...hmmm...I think the word you're looking for is Jihad.

perhaps it was a poor choice of words given the nature of this particular topic... but, the word "crusade" -- lower case and without the 's' -- also means "a vigorous campaign in favor of a cause."

Ie. She went on a crusade against drunk drivers

But, as you said, perhaps Jihad would have been more appropriate... ;)

 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
I'm neutral and I think the ideal endgame should be a single state where Israelis and Palestinians alike can live together, if not in perfect harmony, at least without blowing each other up..

How do you plan to solve the Jewish refusal to allow Palastenians to become a majority, which they would, in their democratic country, and therevy gain control of the government?

When is that going to happen?

That would happen if Israel and the Palestinian territories were made into a single state as mxyzptlk suggested, as there are nearly four million Palestinians in those territories, and they are reproducing notably quicker.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: AreaCode707

I'll be honest; from a point of an observer with no skin in the game, you do seem to post in favor of Palestine often, and sometimes enthusiastically so.

I've got no skin in the game either, aside from tax dollars going to support Israel as they continue perpetuate this conflict with their ongoing colonization of the West Bank, and the blowback we get from terrorists who see the injustices we perpetrate on Palestinian and others as an excuse to commit their own injustices against us. For the sake of people on all sides of this mindless conlifct, I want to start working to stop it.

Zebo on the other hand is a diehard for Israel, he even chastised me the other day for not referring to the West Bank using the Biblical Hebrew names for the region. He claims Israel is intitied to colonize all that and more, with no regards for how much more blood will be spilled on both sides as this madness continues. He is a real beliver in the battle of civlizatons, much the same ilk as Hamas.

By the way, I replied last night to some questions you asked me in another thread, see here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...AR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear

Nah you don't understand me at all. I am a believer in secular democracy not superstitious men in the sky. And definitely have no tolerance for one that says kil, convert or subjugate the whole world. You won't find a Muslim country, all barbaric and superstitious, with affords equal protections like Israel does so I support them. It's simple as that.

We are in the midst of a world war, one every bit as deadly as WWII, where ten of millions around the world would gladly die, and kill, for Dar Islam. Israel to me is just another outpost of the civilized world which must be saved from old world barbarism.

I don't care about Israel any more of less than Christian schoolgirls beheaded in Indonesia, Monks beheaded in Thailand, Hindus blown to pieces in India, tens of thousands of Black Africans raped tortured and murdered in Darfur, "youth" riots across Europe and on and on and on. It's just the International community actually pay attention to one Jihad so I voice my concerns about it.
 

Aimster

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THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN ISRAEL ARE FROM THE MIDDLE EAST. WHY SHOULD THEY LEAVE? What you want to send them 100 miles away to make the Palestinians happy? give me a freaking break.
WHY SHOULD THE EUROPEAN JEWS BE FORCED BACK TO EUROPE WHERE ANTISEMITISM IS HIGH?

Stup|D threads
 

sportage

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15 minutes is right.
After all... the republicans paid him and started this whole Joe thing.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: PowerEngineer

There must be many broken pipes in Gaza now. :(

(CNN) ? Joe Wurzelbacher: Plumber. Campaign celebrity. Foreign correspondent?

?Joe the Plumber? is headed overseas to try his hand at covering the conflict in Gaza, Wurzelbacher?s publicist Thomas Tabback confirmed to CNN Wednesday.

Wurzelbacher plans to spend 10 days in Israel reporting on the conflict for pjtv.com, a Web site run by conservative media outlet Pajamas Media.

The famous plumber will be focusing on the Israeli perspective on the situation. "It's tragic, I mean it really is,? Wurzelbacher told CNN affiliate WNWO ?I don't say that in any little way. It's very tragic, but at the same time what are the Israeli people supposed to do.?

Wurzelbacher told WNWO he?s not worried about the potential dangers of his new gig. "Being a Christian I'm pretty well protected by God I believe. That's not saying he's going to stop a mortar for me, but you gotta take the chance,? he told the CNN affiliate.

?Israeli officials are very excited to have him,? Tabback told CNN.

Joe the plumber headed to Middle East

This will end badly.

We can only hope...

 

Ozoned

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Every good military leader has to take a close look at history, to find a means to the success of their mission. You don't have to look to far back to find such a success.

One element Jordan didn't have to contend with, was the public relations campaign that Hamas uses as a tool of war. I don't have any specific information to back this up, but I would be willing to bet that civillian casualties in their campaign were incredibly high, and did not dictate the methods they used to fight them, after all, it was Arabs killing Arabs, not Jews killing Arabs.

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Jordan, you know better
By DAVID RAAB


The news that the Jordanian parliament is calling for severing Jordan's diplomatic ties with Israel is deeply troubling. It is also hypocritical. Of all the countries in the Arab world - perhaps even in the entire world - Jordan knows what it takes to fight terrorism.
In the three years following the 1967 Six Day War, Palestinian terrorists - in the form of the PLO and its 27 member terror groups - using Jordan as a base from which to attack Israel, engendered escalating lawlessness and chaos in Jordan. Increasingly flouting Jordanian law, confronting the Jordanian army, setting up roadblocks and extorting the general population, it created a state within a state. By the summer of 1970, many Palestinian groups were calling for King Hussein's overthrow and a Palestinian takeover of Jordan. Over the three years, King Hussein tried every which way to mollify the Palestinians, striking numerous cease-fire agreements with them, agreeing to their ever-increasing demands and even at one point offering PLO chairman Yasser Arafat the premiership. But each cease-fire and each agreement was taken by the Palestinian terrorists as a sign of weakness, and they used the lulls simply to reorganize and rearm.

FINALLY, IN September 1970, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine hijacked three planes to the Jordanian desert about 50 kilometers east of Amman. This was the final straw for King Hussein, who was made to look impotent and powerless as the sovereignty of his country was violated so blatantly. On September 15, after all but 54 hostages from those planes were released, King Hussein set out to reestablish his reign and bring an end to the terror and chaos that had engulfed his country.

Over the next 10 days, he waged an aggressive war against the terrorists, killing about 2,500 and wounding several thousand more. The Arab world was in an uproar, calling him an aggressor. President Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt was angry at Hussein and warned of "grave consequences" if he did not stop the fighting. Syria in fact invaded Jordan to aid the Palestinians, and Iraq threatened to do the same. But Hussein persisted, despite being pained and conflicted by what he was doing. He saw the fighting as "a cancer operation that had to be performed to save Jordan's life" and made very clear - by appointing a prime minister of Palestinian origin and through other means - that he was not waging a war against the Palestinian people, but was merely fighting terrorists.

In the end, Hussein prevailed. After a cease-fire to end the war, he continued his battle against the PLO over the ensuing 10 months until July 1971, when he succeeded in ousting it and all its terror constituents from the country. (They moved to Lebanon, where they once again began to terrorize not only Israel, but their host country.) For the next 30-plus years, Jordan knew no more terror.

Now, Israel has reached a similar point with Hamas. After years of trying to make peace with the Palestinians of Gaza, even abandoning settlements and uprooting thousands of civilians who had lived there all their lives, Israel was faced with a Hamas unbound by any international rules of law and any norms of human decency. It brazenly and incessantly aimed rockets and shells at innocent Israeli civilians, a violation of Israeli sovereignty. It used a six-month cease-fire to reorganize and rearm. Israel finally found itself compelled to stop the terror, which it is now doing. Certainly Jordan, of all countries, should understand what Israel is doing and why.


 

Aimster

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Jordan only says things because their population is Palestinian.

If the King doesn't act tough his people will revolt against him and his playboy bunny queen.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Zebo
Nah you don't understand me at all...

I do understand you fairly well from our previous conversations, and none of your elaboration contradict anything I said.

I also understand there is nothing in Islam that commands killing or subjugating anyone, and the vast majority of Muslims have no interest conquering the world. You obviously don't understand that and don't have any intention of even trying to, and along with a whole host of other misconceptions you've build your own extremist vision of world domination.
 

kylebisme

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Unlike Israel, Jordan wouldn't be colonizing the West Bank out from under the Palestinians in the first place.

And yeah, much of Jordan's population is either from or descended from people that Israeli's previously ran out of what is now Israel and the Palestinian occupied territories.
 

Mani

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During the election, someone on this forum described Joe as a shitstain. Never has that descriptor been so appropriate.
 

Zebo

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Yes Syria eliminated a whole town of like 30,000 and none said anything. If you want to look at the past, in order to learn lessons from it, here's how we dealt with Muslim fanatics back when we knew how to fight to win. Not quite as brutal as Arabs treat each other but much smarter using their backwards religion against them. After reading this, you'll understand why I say all western bombs and bullets should be impregnated with pigs blood. All dead Jihadists should be buried with a pig. Would end fighting and terrorism tomorrow.
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During the US colonial occupation of the Philippines in 1911, the colonel in charge of the small, but remote island of Palawan, was having a terrible time countering the Islamic Jihad being fought there. With only a battalion at his disposal, he was outgunned and out manned. Interested in history, the colonel realized, knowing the enemy is half the battle won. He thought the only way to beat these Islamic terrorists is to ascertain their religious weaknesses. He noticed that Muslims go to great lengths to give a wide berth to avoid dogs ? even small ones. This odd phenomenon, though he had seen frequently, never struck the colonel to investigate before. This time though, he made inquiries, and was informed that Muslims are not allowed to touch dogs. (The Hadith, details the reasons for this. Prophet Mohammed did not realize where the horrible stinking smell was coming from, until three days later, he saw his dead puppy dog decomposing under his bedstead. He then cursed all dogs, and from then on, Muslims are not allowed to touch dogs, especially its saliva around the mouth). The colonel then immediately ordered for as many dogs as he could get. As soon as 37 dogs were delivered, he sent his men armed with dogs into the local Muslims? houses (bedrooms, kitchen, and all) in a ?house to house? search supposedly for Islamic terrorists. This type of ?house to house? searches terrified the local Muslims. The Muslim leaders immediately cooperated with the Americans by voluntarily and freely catching the Islamic terrorists (dead or alive) and handing them over to the Americans.

Soon after, an American General, John L. Hansen Jr. who was in charge of the larger southern Philippine Island of Mindanao was amused to know of the Palawan episode. Mindanao was overwhelmed with Islamic Jihad too, creating destruction, murder, rape, looting, bombings, kidnappings, beheadings, etc. General Hansen was at his wits end and was loosing a lot of his men, with no sign of improvement, whatever plan he initiated. In July 1911, the generals soldiers managed to capture 8 Islamic Terrorists. A subsequent trial found 7 of the Islamic terrorists to be executed and the eighth to 19 years imprisonment.

Taking a cue from the colonel in the Palawan Island, who successfully quelled the Islamic insurrection there, General Hansen decided to also use this opportunity to set Islam against Islam. He devised a plan to put an end to this Islamic insurrection in Mindanao Island. In the wee hours of the morning, he had the 7 Islamic terrorists to dig their own graves. The eighth terrorist was handcuffed and made to watch the American execution process. The 7 Islamic terrorists were then tied to 7 posts, but without blindfolds, so that they too could see the proceedings of their own execution. Years of Islamic nurturing, taught the Muslims that, if a pig contaminated their bodies, they would go direct to the fires of hell permanently; instead of as martyrs to paradise to enjoy sex exclusively with 72 fair virgin maidens forever. The soldiers then slaughtered a live Pig in front of them. The terrorists? clothes and body were smeared with the pig's blood and fat. The pig was cut into 7 portions and placed in each grave. On witnessing all this, the terrorists? eyes almost popped out, and it terrified the terrorists. Some even urinated out of shear terror and all went blue/black shouting and screaming for Allah to save them but in vain. The terrorists were petrified of such a death and burial, and were left to beg, cry, bawl, plead, and scream their souls out, all day.

At sundown, the 7 terrorists were shot and their bodies were placed in each grave, together with the chunk of pork. The eighth Islamic Terrorist was ordered to fill up the 7 graves and subsequently set free. This 8th terrorist fled for his life and the news spread like wildfire, and immediately all Muslims became aware of the unique but very UN-Islamic ?American system of execution?, and just the thought alone, terrorized all the Muslims into a fit of total terror. The Islamic Jihad vanished almost instantaneously.

Thereafter, a sudden peace prevailed in every part of the Philippines, not a bullet was fired, thousands of lives of innocent men, women and children, and property were saved, and the Islamic Jihad was never heard of, till well after the Philippine independence, more than 50 years later.
 

b0mbrman

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Lemon law

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As Joe the plumber laughs all the way to the bank, has anyone checked to see if he has paid his Ohio back taxes, and the tax liabilities he is now incurring?

From the Joe point of view, Joe is still the big winner. America is truly the land of opportunity. Its all Obama fault, he should have ignored Joe's question, giving Joe an intelligent answer was a big mistake.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Zebo
The Hadith, details the reasons for this. Prophet Mohammed did not realize where the horrible stinking smell was coming from, until three days later, he saw his dead puppy dog decomposing under his bedstead. He then cursed all dogs, and from then on, Muslims are not allowed to touch dogs, especially its saliva around the mouth).

This is nonsense. The story is that there was a live dog under the bed which kept the angel Gabriel away:

Gabriel made a promise with Allah's Messenger to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: Aisha, when did this dog enter here ? She said: By Allah, I don't know. He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger said to him: You promised me and I waited for you, but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.

http://muttaqun.com/dogs.html

Of course one can't rightly expect anyone who promotes such flagrant disagreed for religious beliefs to actually recount the details of them with any accuracy.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Zebo
Nah you don't understand me at all...

I do understand you fairly well from our previous conversations, and none of your elaboration contradict anything I said.

I also understand there is nothing in Islam that commands killing or subjugating anyone, and the vast majority of Muslims have no interest conquering the world. You obviously don't understand that and don't have any intention of even trying to, and along with a whole host of other misconceptions you've build your own extremist vision of world domination.

Do I really have to waste my time providing quotes directly from Qu'ran, hadiths and other religious texts? Scholars from all Muslim Jurisprudence confirming those texts? Or quotes from Jihadists themselves? Or examples of Jihad from paper to action around the globe? Give me a break you can't be this stupid and naive.
 

Zebo

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Originally posted by: Zebo
The Hadith, details the reasons for this. Prophet Mohammed did not realize where the horrible stinking smell was coming from, until three days later, he saw his dead puppy dog decomposing under his bedstead. He then cursed all dogs, and from then on, Muslims are not allowed to touch dogs, especially its saliva around the mouth).

This is nonsense. The story is that there was a live dog under the bed which kept the angel Gabriel away:

Gabriel made a promise with Allah's Messenger to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: Aisha, when did this dog enter here ? She said: By Allah, I don't know. He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger said to him: You promised me and I waited for you, but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture.

http://muttaqun.com/dogs.html

Of course one can't rightly expect anyone who promotes such flagrant disagreed for religious beliefs to actually recount the details of them with any accuracy.

One in 5 inst bad, read more, you're starting to get a clue of this clut and it's silly beliefs.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/dogs.htm


1) KILL THE DOGS

From Bukhari Vol. 4, #540

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle ordered that the dogs should be killed.

From Abu Dawud #2839

Abd Allah B. Mughaffal reported the apostle of Allah as saying: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one.

The Hadith's note for #2839 says, "The prophet did not order the killing of all the dogs, for some are to be retained for hunting and watching. He ordered to kill the jet black ones. They might be more mischievous among them.

From Muslim #3814

Ibn Mughaffal reported: Allah's messenger ordered the killing of dogs and then said, "what is the trouble with them (the people of Medina? How dogs are nuisances to them (the citizens of Medina)? He then permitted keeping of dogs for hunting and (the protection of) herds. ...[and for] for the protection of cultivated land.

From Muslim #Number 055

Ibn Mughaffal reported: The Messenger of Allah ordered killing of the dogs, and then said: What about them, i. e. about other dogs? and then granted concession (to keep) the dog for hunting and the dog for (the security) of the herd, and said: When the dog licks the utensil, wash it seven times, and rub it with earth the eighth time.

From Muslim #3813

Abu Zubair heard Jabir Abdullah saying: Allah's messenger ordered us to kill dogs and we carried out this order so much so that we also killed the dog roaming with a women from the desert. Then Allah's apostle forbade their killing. He said: "It is your duty to kill the jet-black (dog) having two spots (on the eyes) for it is a devil.

The note for #3814 says,

"The Hadith gives us an idea why the prophet commanded to kill dogs. There must have been an excess of stray dogs and thus the danger of rabies in the city of Medina and its suburbs. The prophet therefore ordered to kill them. Later on when it was found that his Companions were killing them indiscriminately, he forbade them to do so and told them that only the ferocious beasts which were a source of danger to life should be killed. The word "Devil" in the Hadith clarifies this point. Here devil stands for ferocious.

HOWEVER THE REASONING WITHIN THE NOTE ABOVE IS INCORRECT ? READ BELOW.

From Muslim #5248

Maimuna reported that one morning Allah?s Messenger was silent with grief. Maimuna said: Allah?s Messenger, I find a change in your mood today. Allah?s Messenger said: Gabriel had promised me that he would meet me tonight, but he did not meet me. By Allah, he never broke his promises, and Allah?s Messenger spent the day in this sad mood. Then it occurred to him that there had been a puppy under their cot. He commanded and it was turned out. He then took some water in his hand and sprinkled it at that place. When it was evening Gabriel met him and he said to him: You promised me that you would meet me the previous night. He said: Yes, but we do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture. Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields or big gardens.



COMMENT

These Hadith tell the story of Muhammad's order to kill dogs. Muhammad said he would like to have all dogs killed. He wanted them killed, NOT because packs of dogs were tormenting the citizens of Medina, but rather, because a puppy stopped the mighty angel Gabriel. Muhammad?s solution was to kill the dogs. He first said he wanted all dogs killed but then made exceptions for dogs that are used for farming, hunting, or watching (outside). Further, he ordered that all black dogs be killed and called them "a Satan".





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2) COMMERCE IN DOGS

From Bukhari Vol. 3, #299

Narrated 'Aun bin Abu Juhaifa: "My father bought a slave who practiced the profession of cupping. (My father broke the slave's instruments of cupping). I asked my father why he had done so. He replied, "The Prophet forbade the acceptance of the price of a dog or blood, and also forbade the profession of tattooing, getting tattooed and receiving or giving Riba, (usury), and cursed the picture-makers."

From Bukhari Vol. 3, #482

Narrated Abu Mas'ud Al-Ansari: "Allah's Apostle regarded illegal the price of a dog, the earnings of a prostitute, and the charges taken by a soothsayer."

From Muslim #3803

Abu Masud reported that Allah's messenger forbade the charging of price of the dog and earning of a prostitute and sweets offered to a kahin.



COMMENT

Muhammad believed that money made from the sale of a dog (for other than already mentioned purposes) was considered as evil as the money made from prostitution, witchcraft, or usury. Something about dogs disturbed Muhammad deeply.





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3) LOSS OF REWARD OF GOOD WORKS FOR OWNING DOGS

From Bukhari Vol. 3, #515

Narrated Abu Huraira: "Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever keeps a dog, one Qirat of the reward of his good deeds is deducted daily, unless the dog is used for guarding a farm or cattle." Abu Huraira (in another narration) said from the Prophet, "unless it is used for guarding sheep or farms, or for hunting." Narrated Abu Hazim from Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "A dog for guarding cattle or for hunting.""

From Muslim Number 3815:

Ibn Umar reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who keeps a dog other than that meant for watching the herd or for hunting loses every day out of his deeds equal to two qirat.

From Muslim Number 2062:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: He who attends the funeral till the prayer is offered for (the dead), for him is the reward of one qirat, and he who attends (and stays) till he is buried, for him is the reward of two qirats. It was said: What are the qirats? He said: They are equivalent to two huge mountains. Two other narrators added: Ibn 'Umar used to pray and then depart (without waiting for the burial of the dead). When the tradition of Abu Huraira reached him, he said:" We have lost many qirats."



COMMENT

Having a dog as a pet is prohibited in Islam. In fact, if a Muslim keeps a dog as a pet God will take away some heavenly reward for his good deeds! Notice that the amount taken away changed from one to two qirats.





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4) DOGS ANNULLING PRAYER

From Bukhari Vol. 1, #490

Narrated 'Aisha: "The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away, for I disliked to face him.""

From Muslim Number 1032

Abu Dharr reported: The Messenger of 'Allah said: When any one of you stands for prayer and there is a thing before him equal to the back of the saddle that covers him and in case there is not before him (a thing) equal to the back of the saddle, his prayer would be cut off by (passing of an) ass, woman, and black Dog. I said: O Abu Dharr, what feature is there in a black dog which distinguish it from the red dog and the yellow dog? He said: O, son of my brother, I asked the Messenger of Allah as you are asking me, and he said: The black dog is a devil.

From Abu Dawud Number 0704:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas:

Ikrimah reported on the authority of Ibn Abbas, saying: I think the Apostle of Allah said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an ass, a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw.



COMMENT

These hadith state that if a dog passes in front of people praying it annuls their prayer. Annul means, "to reduce to nothing", or "to make ineffective or inoperative". If a group of people are praying and a dog walks in-between them and the Kaba (in Mecca), then their prayer is made null and void.





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5) DOGS STOP THE ANGELS

From Bukhari Vol. 4, #448

Narrated Abu Talha: "I heard Allah's Apostle saying; "Angels (of Mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture of a living creature (a human being or an animal).""

From Bukhari Vol. 7, #843

Narrated Salim's father: "Once Gabriel promised to visit the Prophet but he delayed and the Prophet got worried about that. At last he came out and found Gabriel and complained to him of his grief (for his delay). Gabriel said to him, "We do not enter a place in which there is a picture or a dog.""

From Muslim, #5276:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: Angels do not accompany the travelers who have with them a dog and a bell.

From Muslim, #5279:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger as saying: "The bell is the musical instrument of Satan."
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Zebo

Do I really have to waste my time providing quotes directly from Qu'ran, hadiths and other religious texts?

You'd almost certainly be wasting your time, as having studied all the major religions as well as many others extensively throughout college and beyond, I highly doubt you'd quote anything I'm not familar with.

Originally posted by: Zebo
Scholars from all Muslim Jurisprudence confirming those texts? Or quotes from Jihadists themselves? Or examples of Jihad from paper to action around the globe? Give me a break you can't be this stupid and naive.

If you think quoting a few radicals makes any case against the majority, you are the one being naive.
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Zebo
One in 5 inst bad, read more, you're starting to get a clue of this clut and it's silly beliefs.

It is one correction on the one claim you posted which was wrong. I am familiar with the rest of it as well, as I am with your bigotry.