Pakistan thinking about showing secret copter to China

[fskimospy]

Yes, but Commie China doesn't need to worry about local or 'The Rest Of The World' opinion, because they know that none of TROTW, save for Russia and the US, can - or would - do anything to stop them...and Russia or the US isn't going to lose any sleep over China going in and taking care of business in a fundi Muslim country.

India might, given it'd be surrounded by China, but then, given how F'd up Pakistan will likely be if/when China ever decides to go absorb Pakistan, one wonders if India would really mind at that point (30-70 years from now).

One thing is for sure: China isn't going to have any problems butchering up whole locales, purposefully beating up villages, etc. etc. First time China hits an IED, it's going to the local village and making a point that won't be lost on the rest of the local villages. Of course, they'll make it in a "friendly" way, unlike what the Terrorist US would do...

Chuck

China taking over Pakistan is a fantasy. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, which renders it effectively immune to external conquest.

 

[chucky2]

I think you underestimate the cunning and ruthlessness of the Chinese government. I don't see it as fantasy at all. Perhaps unlikely, but certainly not a fantasy. Unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.

 

[fskimospy]

I think you underestimate the cunning and ruthlessness of the Chinese government. I don't see it as fantasy at all. Perhaps unlikely, but certainly not a fantasy. Unlikely doesn't mean it can't happen.

Can you describe a plausible scenario how China would accomplish this?

 

[chucky2]

Infiltrate a couple hundred SF's into Pakistan close to the nukes and key initial points of entry. Parachute in 2k or so troops where the nukes are, or, just take them out of play with a surgical N/B/C strike: Keep in mind, China doesn't give a F, they're not the US.

Really the only impediment is the mountains, but give China 30 years or so, especially being "friendly" (as TGB thinks they are), and you can get major rail and air routes, along with shipping, to/from Pakistan.

Granted, it'd cost them, both internationally (which push come to shove, do they really care?), financially, and in people (they've got a few). But, it'd get them sea access into the Arabian Sea, which is a nice shortcut to Africa (cheap labor and resources) and the rest of that region (crude, product).

It all depends on conditions in and out of China once China is militarily capable of such a feat, but they'll certainly be capable of it in the coming decades. We are too (now), we just care about our own troops (they don't have concerns to that degree), world opinion (they don't, not when it comes down to it), civilian casualties (they won't give two F's), and $$$ (China can afford not to care).

People think it's fantasy until it happens....

Chuck

 

[cirrrocco]

China taking over Pakistan is a fantasy. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, which renders it effectively immune to external conquest.

Eskimo,

I believe pakistan has already ceded about 91000 sq km's of its land to China.

It has also now allowed CHinese military personel in NWFP and the Gilgit province.

Also the Pakistani weapons are are Chinese designs anyway and it is now a client state of PLA.

 

[werepossum]

China taking over Pakistan is a fantasy. Pakistan has nuclear weapons, which renders it effectively immune to external conquest.

Dude, seriously. China set up Pakistan's nuclear program. China knows where everything is located and how it is protected. China could easily take out Pakistan's handful of nukes (stored in component form, not ready to launch) with a modest first strike. Remember, Clinton sold China our own cruise missile manufacturing line; they have Tomahawks. There are four much better reasons why China will never take over Pakistan.
1. Pakistan is a shithole.
2. Pakistan will always be a shithole.
3. China has no desire to spend decades fighting a guerrilla war for land the quality of Pakistan.
4. China has too many problems with its own Muslims to think of taking on another couple hundred million.

 

[fskimospy]

Eskimo,

I believe pakistan has already ceded about 91000 sq km's of its land to China.

It has also now allowed CHinese military personel in NWFP and the Gilgit province.

Also the Pakistani weapons are are Chinese designs anyway and it is now a client state of PLA.

What exactly are you talking about? China ceded land to Pakistan in the past, but I'm unaware of any time Pakistan has given land to China. Regardless, a small land cession is not at all the same thing as being taken over. Same with allowing Chinese military personnel in certain areas, it's not the same thing.

Nuclear weapons truly only mean one thing, and it's that you can never be conquered externally.

 

[fskimospy]

Dude, seriously. China set up Pakistan's nuclear program. China knows where everything is located and how it is protected. China could easily take out Pakistan's handful of nukes (stored in component form, not ready to launch) with a modest first strike. Remember, Clinton sold China our own cruise missile manufacturing line; they have Tomahawks. There are four much better reasons why China will never take over Pakistan.
1. Pakistan is a shithole.
2. Pakistan will always be a shithole.
3. China has no desire to spend decades fighting a guerrilla war for land the quality of Pakistan.
4. China has too many problems with its own Muslims to think of taking on another couple hundred million.

China does not know where everything is located and how it is protected. So no, they could not easily take out Pakistan's 'handful' of nukes. (they are estimated to have somewhere around 100) This would be a staggering breach of national security on Pakistan's part. If you're going to make that claim you will need some VERY powerful and authoritative sources.

EDIT: Also, Tomahawk missiles would not be effective at destroying most of Pakistan's stockpiles, as they are in hardened bunkers. Maybe if China were willing to repeatedly nuke Pakistan itself to get its weapons, but other than that probably not.

 

[Craig234]

Because you have a long history of playing troll in P&N.

How not to get your post read, as a name-calling liar. Keep it up, ignore is next.

 

[cirrrocco]

What exactly are you talking about? China ceded land to Pakistan in the past, but I'm unaware of any time Pakistan has given land to China. Regardless, a small land cession is not at all the same thing as being taken over. Same with allowing Chinese military personnel in certain areas, it's not the same thing.

Nuclear weapons truly only mean one thing, and it's that you can never be conquered externally.

All the info you want is right here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Pakistan_Agreement

It resulted in China ceding over 1,942 square kilometers (749.8 sq mi) to Pakistan and Pakistan recognizing Chinese sovereignty over hundreds of square kilometers of land in Northern Kashmir and Ladakh

regarding troops, how can you say it is not a big deal. China now has 11,000 troops in Pakistan. Not just proper Pakistan, but lands in dispute.

 

[fskimospy]

All the info you want is right here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Pakistan_Agreement

regarding troops, how can you say it is not a big deal. China now has 11,000 troops in Pakistan. Not just proper Pakistan, but lands in dispute.

Dude, your link shows China giving land TO Pakistan, not getting land FROM Pakistan. The land Pakistan recognized China's claim to was controlled by India.

The US has troops stationed in countries all over the world, yet we have not conquered them. Your claim that China has somehow conquered Pakistan is unsupported by the facts.

 

[Svnla]

How not to get your post read, as a name-calling liar. Keep it up, ignore is next.

I posted my post/reply as completely whole yet you said (and I quote) ..." listing the most favorable parts of your post, and not listing the things I was replying to"....

You were saying?

Oh no, I am going to be ignore by Craig. Please do so you won't quote my posts and I won't have to response to your troll/BS.

Like I said, the Chinese don't like Muslims and they don't want anything to do with invading Pakistan. That's 170 million Muslims including many of the worst terrorists in the world. This isn't Mongolia or some isolated south east Asian country, but surrounded by India, Afghanistan, and Iran.

I wouldn't bet that China would not want to take Pakistan. Commie China and ancient China in its long historty has a history of expansion/invading/annexing neighbors.

 

[Lemon law]

Oh come on come on this forum, do you not understand anything about geopolitical reality?

As the #1 and #2 most populous nations, China and India will always be pitted against each other regarding end control hegemony of the far east.

Add in the fact that 30 years ago both China and India were somewhat shit hole nations.
But that is exactly the point, due to the fact the both China and India have spent the last 30 years pulling themselves by their own boot straps, has already yielded the result that both China and India have become first class world powers.

As for Pakistan, it was not, and is not now, a shit hole nation. But Duh, when Pakistan's number one security concern is Indian domination, its a no brainer from the standpoint
of Pakistan, to seek to ally with China

 

[routan]

wow talk about her paper man. Not her name.. gawd.. and you call this a children's playground...

anyway I am not from the region and you said you werent as well. so how the hell do you know the intricacies of masculine vs feminine names.

Both are very common Muslim names. I am a Muslim. I would think everyone knows this.

 

[tvarad]

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As for Pakistan, it was not, and is not now, a shit hole nation. But Duh, when Pakistan's number one security concern is Indian domination, its a no brainer from the standpoint of Pakistan, to seek to ally with China

The only reason it was not a shit hole nation was because it was being spoon-fed by the U.S. almost since independence. The minute the U.S. removed the spoon in the early '90s it shitholiness became apparent. Until, that is, 9/11 happened and it weaseled it's way back into the U.S. good graces. And it's been living on the "war on terror" manna falling down from Washington and when it is removed, it will go back to it's shitholy status.

As for India being the number one security concern, it is only in the imagination of the feudo-military elite that India wants anything to do with their country. Indians are too busy making money, both by honest and crooked means like any self-respecting capitalist country, to look up and see the caricature of a country that's on it's Western border. And while they're wagging their member at India on their eastern border, the Taliban are eating away their behinds on the Western border. Talk about priorities.

 

[cganesh75]

As for Pakistan, it was not, and is not now, a shit hole nation. But Duh, when Pakistan's number one security concern is Indian domination, its a no brainer from the standpoint
of Pakistan, to seek to ally with China

How many times India waged war on pakistan?
How many places in pakistan that india occupied and called it something similar to "pakistan occupied kashmir"?

 

[wuliheron]

I wouldn't bet that China would not want to take Pakistan. Commie China and ancient China in its long historty has a history of expansion/invading/annexing neighbors.

Gotta watch out for those evil beloved patriot commies under your bed. What a joke. Next you'll be insisting the US is ready to invade Canada and Mexico.

 

[chucky2]

Invade Mexico? That's already been done, just, in reverse....

 

[Svnla]

Like I said, the Chinese don't like Muslims .................Gotta watch out for those evil beloved patriot commies under your bed. What a joke. Next you'll be insisting the US is ready to invade Canada and Mexico.

Xinjang Uygur is full of Muslims too and look what happended. You were saying? What a joke.

Are you Chinese?

 

[Keeper]

If I was truly full of shit I would not have been offered admission into graduate programs of top USA Universities including Harvard, UChicago and NYU.

Man, this guy is better than comedy central. I love this guy (sarcasm).
Its apparent... Everyone who has been offered admission into Harvard, UChicago and NYU has NEVER LIED or made up stuff becuase that is part of the admission criteria. Or (Heaven forbid) would lie about being offered admission.
WAIT. a moment...Because of this logic and I guess all those men I read that have a 10 inch penis are speaking the truth in in L&R. Because no one LIES on the internet.
Wow, I learn something new everyday. BRILLIANCE.

 

[Lemon law]

Man, this guy is better than comedy central. I love this guy (sarcasm).
Its apparent... Everyone who has been offered admission into Harvard, UChicago and NYU has NEVER LIED or made up stuff becuase that is part of the admission criteria. Or (Heaven forbid) would lie about being offered admission.
WAIT. a moment...Because of this logic and I guess all those men I read that have a 10 inch penis are speaking the truth in in L&R. Because no one LIES on the internet.
Wow, I learn something new everyday. BRILLIANCE.

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The point being, there are lies and the truth, and imported_Keeper has done nothing to prove TGB is lying.

And if imported_Keeper cannot definitively distinguish his own lies and the Green Beans lies from the true, then IK just admitted he knows nothing.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

1. Pakistan is a shithole.
2. Pakistan will always be a shithole.
3. China has no desire to spend decades fighting a guerrilla war for land the quality of Pakistan.
4. China has too many problems with its own Muslims to think of taking on another couple hundred million.

This is what I was thinking. China could conquer Pakistan if it wanted to, but why would it want to? They'd pretty much have to kill all 170 million of the Pakistanis to make it worthwhile.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Gotta watch out for those evil beloved patriot commies under your bed. What a joke. Next you'll be insisting the US is ready to invade Canada and Mexico.

I've contemplated the feasibility of invading Mexico and pretty much reached the same conclusion as for China's invasion of Pakistan. We could invade Mexico, but why would we want to have to deal with tens of millions of deeply impoverished people. It wouldn't be worth it, especially for us. we have enough problems already.

 

[Brigandier]

I've contemplated the feasibility of invading Mexico and pretty much reached the same conclusion as for China's invasion of Pakistan. We could invade Mexico, but why would we want to have to deal with tens of millions of deeply impoverished people. It wouldn't be worth it, especially for us. we have enough problems already.

We should give Mexico a shot at becoming a US Territory. If they reform, address the Cartel problem, they can become a US Territory. They can be treated like Puerto Rico then. I think more countries should have the option of fulfilling minimum requirements to become US Territories. We could then help them out with business, and they could help out with freedom and whatever they could do best.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Can we get back on topic?

I am sure we know where that helicopter tail is being kept. And what is being done to get it back?