Pakistan thinking about showing secret copter to China

[Baasha]

Cue in the Indian/Hindu inferiority complex. In every MSA event I have been to, Indian Hindus have always shown up to diss their Pakistani counterparts. I would always be surprised seeing one brown skinned person acting out against another brown skinned person. I dont think India can accept Pakistan as an independant country.

No wonder their constant occupation of Kashmir, and the meddling during the 70's which resulted in the division of the country. Yes, I am sure events like those gives credence to the idea of India wanting Pakistan to prosper

'Indian/Hindu inferiority complex'? LOL..

Indians gave 1/3 of their land to ungrateful vermin who refused to coexist. Indians/Hindus could give two shits about Muslims who have destroyed everything in their wake and constantly prod India.

Pakistan was created out of hatred for India (as was Bangladesh). Pakistan, the land, will be repatriated to India. All vermin who don't like India, whether inside or outside can GTFO.

And, what does skin color have anything to do with this topic? There are many so-called Indians who are virulently anti-Indian. Most of them are Muslims but there are some 'Hindus', mainly Marxists and communists, among their cadres.

Pakistan and Bangladesh are never "independent". They are beggars that suck the dick of China and the US/UK.

Pakistan and Bangladesh, along with that shit-hole Saudi Arabia, are countries nobody wants to visit. India is one of the most visited places on the planet.

And, Kashmir was always an integral part of India. Too bad the madrassa you studied in didn't teach you that instead of justifying torture and violence against non-Muslims.

 

[nobodyknows]

That's why nobody likes you. You waste billions of dollars on dogs while people in Africa starve to death.

Yet you claim to live better then most of us, but ALL of the worlds problems are our fault?

LOL, that's why nobody like you.

 

[Lemon law]

Sometimes forum ignorance amazes me. India is an ancient nation that pissed away all its potential power in religious fragmentation and an infinite number of warring principalities.

And when the colonial age came, the Brits with a divide and conquers strategy made India into one of its crown Jewels of empire with little effort. As GB drew various borders to suit British only convenience.

But for us in the present, how can we judge the past British domination of India, because later when the Brits lost control, India had transformed itself from the dark ages into a modern nation.

But the real secret in Indian independence was this 5' nothing guy named Gandhi, who with nothing more than a loin cloth and a hand held spinning wheel defied the military might if England. And the real secret of the Gandhi plan was to put an end to the British divide and Conquer bullshit. As he realized that the two eyes of India were the two great religions of Hindu and Muslim that shaped the Indian past with continual conflict.

And just with moral will Gandhi pulled off the hat trick of reuniting India with Hindu and Muslim co-operation. But still today that religious reunification is tenuous, as India still faces the question of united we stand and divided we fall.

But still ignored in this whole mess is that the British old borders do not accurately reflect where the real borders between Pakistan and India should really be.

The other thing to point out is that Pakistan is the fifth most populated nation, but compared to India its just a midget. That is why its the most needed world peace question, to finally definitely settle Kashmiri questions.

 

[tvarad]

Man, this guy is better than comedy central. I love this guy (sarcasm).
Its apparent... Everyone who has been offered admission into Harvard, UChicago and NYU has NEVER LIED or made up stuff becuase that is part of the admission criteria. Or (Heaven forbid) would lie about being offered admission.
WAIT. a moment...Because of this logic and I guess all those men I read that have a 10 inch penis are speaking the truth in in L&R. Because no one LIES on the internet.
Wow, I learn something new everyday. BRILLIANCE.

This is just another delusion of pakistanis in general. They think that the first world is falling over itself to ingratiate itself to them and wants to give them citizenship the minute they land up at the airport, ivy league colleges are falling over themselves to admit these geniuses etc. etc. It goes with the delusions of their country being indispensable to the West as some kind of first-world island in the third-world and so on and so forth.

This is their way of obfuscating the issue the minute you logically dismantle their arguments. Don't pay too much attention.

 

[Lemon law]

As Tvarad yells loudly, row row row my Indian boat down the stream, totally in denial that India faces serious ethnic divisions and rebellion far to the East that have nothing to do with Pakistani issues. I would think that if tvarad had an iota of vision that India's greatest future problem will be an even bigger China that has India surrounded and isolated. If India wants any hopes of Western land links, an alliance with Pakistan will be the only way. Its just a reality of geography.

But wait, maybe in another 50 million years, maybe tectonic forces will float India back to an Island in the sea.

 

[wuliheron]

Xinjang Uygur is full of Muslims too and look what happended. You were saying? What a joke.

Are you Chinese?

They're isolated, have oil, and only about 5% of the land is inhabitable. Just another soft target for the Chinese.

In addition, since the west now controls most of the oil bearing Muslim states the Chinese have played good cop to our bad cop. They've made all friendly with their own Muslims in recent years and spouted all kinds of anti-western shit whenever Muslims are involved. Everyone's eye is on the ball which is made of oil and running out. Until the oil does run out China remains Pakistan's best friend even though the Chinese generally don't like Muslims.

As for whether I'm Chinese, sorry, I don't date people I meet online.

 

[wuliheron]

I've contemplated the feasibility of invading Mexico and pretty much reached the same conclusion as for China's invasion of Pakistan. We could invade Mexico, but why would we want to have to deal with tens of millions of deeply impoverished people. It wouldn't be worth it, especially for us. we have enough problems already.

Yeah, its just not worth the effort. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

 

[Svnla]

They're isolated, have oil, and only about 5% of the land is inhabitable. Just another soft target for the Chinese.

In addition, since the west now controls most of the oil bearing Muslim states the Chinese have played good cop to our bad cop. They've made all friendly with their own Muslims in recent years and spouted all kinds of anti-western shit whenever Muslims are involved. Everyone's eye is on the ball which is made of oil and running out. Until the oil does run out China remains Pakistan's best friend even though the Chinese generally don't like Muslims.

As for whether I'm Chinese, sorry, I don't date people I meet online.

WTF? Don't flatter yourself. I asked if you were Chinese or not because of your nick/avatar and how you tried and tried to prop up commie China. Look like we have ourself of another John Chan/Frank. Read the comments from this (and then look around for his comments) and you will understand = http://the-diplomat.com/flashpoints-blog/2011/05/10/america’s-indian-rebuff/#respond

We can argue all day but I have undisputable several thousands years of history in my side. We will see how things will turn out.

One last thing, I saw this about you.... "Being intellectually dishonest or making claims you are unable to backup may land you on my ignore list. (TheRedUnderURBed,wuliheron,JEDIYoda,Malak,HAL9000 )"....so I have nothing else further to say.

 

[tvarad]

As Tvarad yells loudly, row row row my Indian boat down the stream, totally in denial that India faces serious ethnic divisions and rebellion far to the East that have nothing to do with Pakistani issues. I would think that if tvarad had an iota of vision that India's greatest future problem will be an even bigger China that has India surrounded and isolated. If India wants any hopes of Western land links, an alliance with Pakistan will be the only way. Its just a reality of geography.

But wait, maybe in another 50 million years, maybe tectonic forces will float India back to an Island in the sea.

First, the states that are in rebellion in the East constitute about 5 percent of the Indian population. Adding Kashmir to it would raise the percentage by a few more points. Nothing to worry about because history has shown that they will eventually tire and accept being part of the Indian Union in return for most of their reasonable demands (which typically hinge on neglect by the Central Government) being met. The worry would be if states like Tamilnadu, Kerala, West Bengal etc. with their huge populations decided to rebel. But if you read the papers today, you will see that their governments changed peacefully through the ballot box, and the one in Assam in the East was re-elected. The state government that was booted out in West Bengal was Communist; probably the only instance where Communists relinquished power peacefully. Contrast that to what is happening in the Middle East and, indeed, Pakistan where political change never happens without some kind of wholesale slaughter behind it.

So isn't there instability in India? Of course there is. However, the difference is that over the years the rebellions are addressed like in Assam and some kind of political settlement is reached. People mistake the outward turbulence of India as instability whereas it is political steam being let off. Whereas a country like China which puts a lid on political activity will be the one which will see it explode some day, like in the Middle East.

As for land access beyond Pakistan, if you remember, until around the 1500's the riches of India (it's spices, cloth etc). were worth their weight in gold in Europe because the Arabs controlled the land routes and profiteered from it. The day Vasco da Gama found a sea-route to India, their monopoly vanished and prices started to come down. So, while a land route would be an advantage, it certainly will not dent India's growth because most trade today happens by sea. If anything, obsessively blocking trading routes to India has caused severe damage to Pakistan.

 

[wuliheron]

WTF? Don't flatter yourself. I asked if you were Chinese or not because of your nick/avatar and how you tried and tried to prop up commie China.

Calling them opportunists who go after soft targets is "propping them up"? You really do see commies under your bed don't you!

We can argue all day but I have undisputable several thousands years of history in my side. We will see how things will turn out.

Thousands of years of crap you mean. China's always been a powerhouse and look where it has gotten them. At one point they even had the most powerful navy in the world and chose to dismantle the damn thing.

One last thing, I saw this about you.... "Being intellectually dishonest or making claims you are unable to backup may land you on my ignore list. (TheRedUnderURBed,wuliheron,JEDIYoda,Malak,HAL9000 )"....so I have nothing else further to say.

PC Surgeon calling someone intellectually dishonest is a badge of honor around here. Like having The Donald call you stupid. The guy has the IQ of a doorknob, but you'll like him. He also sees commies under his bed.

 

[Baasha]

Sometimes forum ignorance amazes me. India is an ancient nation that pissed away all its potential power in religious fragmentation and an infinite number of warring principalities.

Have you gone mad? Rhetorical question. Yes, you have!

India 'pissed away its potential power'? Maybe the 1000 years of constant invasions by barbaric Muslims followed by 300 years of genocide and subjugation by the barbaric Christians had something, just something, to do with it?

India was the greatest country on the planet and its culture is infinitely higher than the vermin that even attempt at criticizing Bharat Mata (Mother India). The land that civilized the world without sending a single soldier across her border is to be worshiped.

She gave 1/3 of her land to ungrateful vermin who didn't want to coexist with others and now they want to grab even more land (Kashmir).

Of all the 660 princely states in pre-independence India, the only string that tied them together was Hinduism. Where on earth do you get "religious fragmentation"? You mean Christians and Muslims? LOL.. They who have been destroying other cultures, invading ancient civilizations, and stealing from them blindly?

The "warring principalities" were kingdoms that had conflicts but never any worry of being obliterated until the onset of the barbaric Muslims followed by the Christians from Europe.

But the real secret in Indian independence was this 5' nothing guy named Gandhi, who with nothing more than a loin cloth and a hand held spinning wheel defied the military might if England. And the real secret of the Gandhi plan was to put an end to the British divide and Conquer bullshit. As he realized that the two eyes of India were the two great religions of Hindu and Muslim that shaped the Indian past with continual conflict.

Mahatma Gandhi had a lot to do with independence but not everything. It is a great disservice to ignore the titans like Bhagat Singh, Mangal Pandey, Aurobindo Ghosh, Vivekananda, Sardar Patel, Chandrasekhar Azad, Rajagopalachari (Rajaji), and numerous others who gave their all and more for freedom of their mAtrUbhUmI (motherland).

Islam (and the other Abrahamic faiths along with Communism) never was, is, nor ever will be a part of the Indian subcontinent. It is always looked upon as an invading force that has the blood of close to 80 million Hindus over a period of 1000 years on their hands (since 712 CE). Despite all the genocides and atrocities committed by Muslims on Hindus in the past, Hindus were generous enough to give 1/3 of their land to them for them to feel "safe" in their own homeland. Instead of kicking out every single Muslim/Christian in 1947, India said anyone who wished to stay back can do so. One of the biggest mistakes in the history of the world IMO but some people look at that decision with more magnanimity.

Pakistan's goal is to wage war with India and eventually conquer it; a pipe dream but their hatred for India/Hindus keeps fanning the flames in their own country.

With the support of Christian fanatics from the West, Muslim fanatics from the Middle East, and Communists from China, India is being attacked on various levels; physically, politically by powerful nations, culturally by the West, and emotionally by so-called "Indians" who are India-bashers in reality.

The other thing to point out is that Pakistan is the fifth most populated nation, but compared to India its just a midget. That is why its the most needed world peace question, to finally definitely settle Kashmiri questions.

You're forgetting Bangladesh which used to be 'East Pakistan'. And, one of the princely states, Jammu & Kashmir, acceded to Indian rule at independence so there is no dispute at all. Yes, the name of the state is Jammu and Kashmir, not just Kashmir. And that state has another place called Ladakh which is mainly Buddhist; Jammu is Hindu, and Kashmir is Muslim. It is all the anti-Indian and anti-Hindu bums who keep harping that Jammu & Kashmir is a "disputed territory". If it wasn't unequivocal before, I'll reiterate it: Kashmir was, is, and always will be an integral part of India, that is Bharat. Pakistan has illegally occupied parts of Kashmir (PoK) and ceded half of that territory to the communists (China). Instead of lambasting the two aggressive countries, so-called 'humanitarians (who are Christian fanatics in disguise, along with their communist friends) criticize India for asserting itself. Oh, and by the way, the name for Kashmir comes from Kashyap, a Hindu sage from ancient India. LOL..

 

[OlafSicky]

I was wondering if Pakistan has any positive accomplishments ?

 

[vegal]

Care to expand on that? I havent seen any reports on the US killing Pakistan people.

See for your self. Drone attacks killed 3x more civilians then terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
About 2k+ civils died.

 

[Nebor]

See for your self. Drone attacks killed 3x more civilians then terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
About 2k+ civils died.

Do they have omelettes where you're from? If so, then you're familiar with the egg breaking that accompanies making one.

 

[0roo0roo]

See for your self. Drone attacks killed 3x more civilians then terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
About 2k+ civils died.

who's fault is that? the pakistanis.

if they had gone and arrested them there would be no problem. if the us bombed osama instead of sending in a team the bomb would have killed at least a dozen children and wives and the folks would be screaming about the "civilians"... the pakistani population bitches either way. if you want to hide and support terrorists, you can't bitch about civilian casualties by default.

 

[fskimospy]

who's fault is that? the pakistanis.

if they had gone and arrested them there would be no problem. if the us bombed osama instead of sending in a team the bomb would have killed at least a dozen children and wives and the folks would be screaming about the "civilians"... the pakistani population bitches either way. if you want to hide and support terrorists, you can't bitch about civilian casualties by default.

Dude, I'm as much for the US undertaking operations as we see fit in Pakistan as anyone, but the idea that Pakistan is at fault for us blowing up their citizens is pretty ridiculous.

The US is responsible for the casualties the US causes, end of story. I for one am willing to accept that there will be collateral damage to what we do there, and anyone who supports action there should be willing to accept it too instead of pawning it off on other people.

 

[Craig234]

Do they have omelettes where you're from? If so, then you're familiar with the egg breaking that accompanies making one.

Of all the idiotic cliches to throw out and defend the killing of innocent people. People like you make bin Laden look moral.

 

[Nebor]

Of all the idiotic cliches to throw out and defend the killing of innocent people. People like you make bin Laden look moral.

I'm worse than Bin Laden eh? Only in the minds of the loony left.

 

[0roo0roo]

Dude, I'm as much for the US undertaking operations as we see fit in Pakistan as anyone, but the idea that Pakistan is at fault for us blowing up their citizens is pretty ridiculous.

The US is responsible for the casualties the US causes, end of story. I for one am willing to accept that there will be collateral damage to what we do there, and anyone who supports action there should be willing to accept it too instead of pawning it off on other people.

It is when they have a huge portion of their population that has sympathies for the terrorists, as such they really just bring it on themselves. They aren't willing to deal with their own problems, and they bitch when someone else does it for them. You can't have it both ways like that. Pakistans created a haven for extremism, to the point where moderate politicians who are against blasphemy are killed and the man on the street thinks thats just dandy, they let their cancer grow and so the opinion of their people really has become meaningless. Might as well ask the average german about jews in 1939, you won't get a reasonable answer.

 

[Craig234]

See for your self. Drone attacks killed 3x more civilians then terrorists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan
About 2k+ civils died.

So, the 2K+ number means we've done more killing of Pakistan's civilians than Al Queda did to the US on 9/11, proportional to population.

One of the oldest tricks in the book for a greater power to use for aggression is to use a 'threat' from its target to justify the aggressive violence.

At some point, 9/11 isn't an excuse for conquering the globe.

 

[Craig234]

It is when they have a huge portion of their population that has sympathies for the terrorists, as such they really just bring it on themselves. They aren't willing to deal with their own problems, and they bitch when someone else does it for them. You can't have it both ways like that. Pakistans created a haven for extremism, to the point where moderate politicians who are against blasphemy are killed and the man on the street thinks thats just dandy, they let their cancer grow and so the opinion of their people really has become meaningless. Might as well ask the average german about jews in 1939, you won't get a reasonable answer.

So you're for foreign countries killing thousands of Americans on US soil, to get to the terrorists we harbor?

 

[Craig234]

I'm worse than Bin Laden eh? Only in the minds of the loony left.

That's the way bin Laden would respond, too.

Your support for mass murder is quite justified, just ask you.

 

[fskimospy]

It is when they have a huge portion of their population that has sympathies for the terrorists, as such they really just bring it on themselves. They aren't willing to deal with their own problems, and they bitch when someone else does it for them. You can't have it both ways like that. Pakistans created a haven for extremism, to the point where moderate politicians who are against blasphemy are killed and the man on the street thinks thats just dandy, they let their cancer grow and so the opinion of their people really has become meaningless. Might as well ask the average german about jews in 1939, you won't get a reasonable answer.

Hahaha, you're really saying 'man because they sympathize with people we don't like, when we kill them it's their fault.'. Your attempt to compare them to Hitler doesn't deserve a response.

You can't have it both ways either, you want to kill people who aren't involved in a conflict and then blame it on someone else. Be adult enough to own the policy you support, even if it comes with negative aspects to it. Blaming other people for our mistakes isn't going to cut it.

 

[wuliheron]

So you're for foreign countries killing thousands of Americans on US soil, to get to the terrorists we harbor?

These aren't domestic terrorists, but international terrorists and this isn't merely a few terrorists, but the world's largest concentration of terrorists. If that ever happens to the US I'd be glad if other countries went to such lengths to limit the collateral damage. The alternatives are not pretty.

 

[Nebor]

So you're for foreign countries killing thousands of Americans on US soil, to get to the terrorists we harbor?

They are absolutely welcome to try if that's what they think is right.