Pakistan thinking about showing secret copter to China

[Darwin333]

The biggest joke here is the Chinese who are scrounging around for American technology from downed aircraft(s) so that they can copy it and make cheap knockoffs. And the Chinese consider themselves an up and coming 'superpower'. LOL...

It is actually quite an effective strategy. Allow someone else to pay for all the R&D and reap the benefits....

 

[OCGuy]

It is actually quite an effective strategy. Allow someone else to pay for all the R&D and reap the benefits....

Reverse engineering isnt as cheap or easy as you make it sound.

 

[xj0hnx]

As for Ossama bin Laden buying a house in near the Pakistani West Point, as of yet, there is not a single iota of evidence that anyone inside of the Pakistani Government knew anything about it. But still some people inside Pakistan helped OBL buy the safehouse.

If their military, or intelligence didn't know, than they are truly pathetic. He was right there in the middle of them, in a huge, suspicious compound.

BFD, people inside the USA helped shelter the original 911 hijackers for over a period of two years. Does that mean the people of the USA are guilty of sheltering terrorist?

Even you aren't really this stupid, or are you? You do realize they weren't terrorist yet ...don't you?

Why have we not been able to secure the Afghan border? I am sure with all our might, technological prowess, we might be able to do better than Pakistan, yes? Well, that hasnt happened. But wait, ofcourse the idea that the Pakistan govt is insidious in nature is an idea best sold. So we should all concentrate on just Pakistan's failing, and lets not even consider that we havent been able to secure anything except a small part of Kabul in 8+ years of our presence in Afghanistan.

Um yea, it's not our country, I can pretty much guarantee that if we had free reign we would do a hell of a lot better job than either Afghanistan, or Pakistan is, or could.

 

[D1gger]

I'm sorry but whenever I read posts by TGB all I can think of is:

"You are a bad man ... a very very bad man!"

 

[werepossum]

WTF?

WTF indeed.

It is strange that India doesn't seem to want Pakistan to prosper, since they could send many more terrorists into India if they just had better funding. Oh wait - I guess it's the OPPOSITE of strange . . .

 

[busydude]

WTF indeed.

It is strange that India doesn't seem to want Pakistan to prosper, since they could send many more terrorists into India if they just had better funding. Oh wait - I guess it's the OPPOSITE of strange . . .

He was referring to the India-Pak war of 1971. Judging by his post, he has complete lack of understanding for the reason behind the war.

 

[werepossum]

He was referring to the India-Pak war of 1971. Judging by his post, he has complete lack of understanding for the reason behind the war.

Understood, and agreed. I well remember that war, as there was a fear that the superpowers would be drawn in since India had close ties with the USSR and the USA and Britain had close ties to Pakistan. Thankfully the Pakistanis proved as inept as they were bloodthirsty and their was no time for anyone else to get drawn in.

Poor Pakistan. Then its only value to us lay in keeping the Soviets from acquiring a warm water port. Now its only value to us is a supply route to Afghanistan.

 

[woolfe9999]

I still do not see any evidence of thousands being killed. Max in the link is 2300 over a 7 year period.
If the Pakistani military opinion is correct; for giggles sake, we will divide the amount of causalities be split. so you have just under 1200 civilians killed - nothing like tens of thousands.

Repeating false/unsubstantiated numbers undermines one's arguments.

Indeed, several passages from Routon's wiki article tend to undermine his assertion:

A study called 'The Year of the Drone" published in February 2010 by New America Foundation found that in a total of 114 drone strikes in Pakistan between 2004 and early 2010 approximately between 834 and 1,216 individuals had been killed, about two thirds of whom were thought to be militants and one third were civilians.

Reactions from people in the affected regions:

Between November 2008 and January 2009 Aryana Institute for Regional Research and Advocacy (AIRRA), a think tank of researchers and activists from FATA and NWFP conducted a survey of the public opinion about the drone strikes in Federally Administered Tribal Areas. Five teams of five researchers each interviewed 550 people from all walks of life.[361] Based on the responses the researchers concluded 'The popular notion outside the Pakhtun belt that a large majority of the local population supports the Taliban movement lacks substance'. Most people thought that the drone attacks were accurate and did not lead to anti-American sentiment and were effective in damaging the militants. In addition the locals wanted the Pakistani forces to also target the militants.[378] According to Farhat Taj a member of AIRRA the drones have never killed any civilians. Some people in Waziristan compare the drones to Ababils , the holy swallows sent by God to avenge Abraha, the invader of the Khana Kaaba.

In an analysis published in Daily Times on January 2, 2010 author Farhat Taj challenged the view that the local people of Waziristan were against the drone attacks. Author states on the basis of personal interviews with people in Waziristan that the locals in Waziristan support the attacks and see the drones as their 'liberators' from the clutches of Taliban and Pakistan's Intelligence agencies. She further challenged the government of Pakistan to provide accurate figures about the 'civilian' casualties and tell what methodology was used to collect this data. According to her 'The people of Waziristan are suffering a brutal kind of occupation under the Taliban and al Qaeda. It is in this context that they would welcome anyone, Americans, Israelis, Indians or even the devil, to rid them of the Taliban and al Qaeda.'[390] In response to this analysis Irfan Husain writing in Dawn agreed with her assessment and called for more drone attacks. He wrote 'We need to wake up to the reality that the enemy has grown very strong in the years we temporized and tried to do deals with them. Clearly, we need allies in this fight. Howling at the moon is not going to get us the cooperation we so desperately need. A solid case can be made for more drone attacks, not less.

The New America Foundation believes that between zero and 18 civilians have been killed in drone strikes since August 23, 2010 and that overall civilian casualties have decreased from 25% of the total in prior years to an estimated 6% in 2010. The Foundation estimates that between 277 and 435 non-combatants have died since 2004, out of 1,374 to 2,189 total deaths.

 

[bfdd]

Are the idiots blaming Pakistan for being the "bad ally" drones? You invade our territory without telling us and then cry foul when we give your downed planes to our real ally? Pakistan should give everything to China and then tell the USA that they are not sorry.

Your country harbored OBL and didn't hand him over. So you're going to give us shit for invading your territory? If your country wasn't ran by back dealing snakes, we wouldn't have had to invade and kill our target.

 

[bfdd]

No, we just stole 1/3 of our land from Mexico.

This isn't a game of she-loves-me-she-loves-me-not. Its a business arrangement and unless the US or China is willing to make them a partner in the business its to their best advantage to play the two off each other and get the best deal they can.

In all fairness, Mexico did it to themselves. Pulling the bait and switch on a ton of Southern slave owners with Texas was a terrible idea.

 

[bfdd]

Indeed, several passages from Routon's wiki article tend to undermine his assertion:



Reactions from people in the affected regions:

uh... his numbers aren't wrong, what he views as enemy combatants and civilians is. sure he exaggerated his number, but in his mind 99% of the people we have killed with the drone strikes are innocent civilians.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Indeed, several passages from Routon's wiki article tend to undermine his assertion:

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Reactions from people in the affected regions:

uh... his numbers aren't wrong, what he views as enemy combatants and civilians is. sure he exaggerated his number, but in his mind 99% of the people we have killed with the drone strikes are innocent civilians.

He is still well off by a factor of ten or more based on his own words; even if he counts every one as a civilian.

The fact is thousands, if not tens of thousands of people have been killed in drone attacks.

I expect that this is a result of the Muslim propaganda that they are exposed to - unable to filter out the nuggets of truth from all the BS that is thrown their way in order to despise/reject/hate (take your choice) the Western world.

That is one reason why so many teens & twenty year olds are susceptible - they have forgotten to think for themselves.

Very seldom do you see someone in the 30s & 40s spouting rehashed BS. They have learned that those with their own motives readily twist the truth and reinterpret the Koran as needed.

The older people of the Muslim faith will analyze information and not accept it blindly. The youngsters have been conditioned to believe whatever comes out of the mouth pieces.

Ironically, in the Western world; it is the older people that become brainwashed by the Christian style preachers.

 

[Darwin333]

Reverse engineering isnt as cheap or easy as you make it sound.

nope but its sure as hell cheaper and easier than engineering from scratch.

 

[tvarad]

Cue in the Indian/Hindu inferiority complex. In every MSA event I have been to, Indian Hindus have always shown up to diss their Pakistani counterparts. I would always be surprised seeing one brown skinned person acting out against another brown skinned person. I dont think India can accept Pakistan as an independant country.

No wonder their constant occupation of Kashmir, and the meddling during the 70's which resulted in the division of the country. Yes, I am sure events like those gives credence to the idea of India wanting Pakistan to prosper

Few Indians gives a rat's behind about your s**thole of a country; the only reason why Indians comment is because of the outrageous terror attacks constantly visited on India by the criminals harbored by your army. And the minute India says "we're coming to kick your a*s" you either show your behind or run to the U.S. for protection. When Faisal Shahzad, the wretched ingrate who helped himself to U.S. hospitality and tried to bomb Times Square in return, was caught, all you Pakis in the U.S. were trying to pass yourselves off as Indians. What do you do with such cowards?

 

[wuliheron]

In all fairness, Mexico did it to themselves. Pulling the bait and switch on a ton of Southern slave owners with Texas was a terrible idea.

As if we never did the same to the native Americans. Anyway, my point is we're no angels either. With global warming and diminishing resources Canada better watch her ass.

 

[The Green Bean]

Sinsear is being sincere in his sorrow for TGB's living conditions. No need to call him names.

I have traveled half the world and I'm confident I am living in better conditions that most people on AT. I don't need your pity. I'm doing well on my own with the grace of God.

 

[The Green Bean]

Again, this is another example of how brainwashed you are. You actually think you're not brainwashed, so you perceive my comments to be ad-hominem attacks instead of facts literally everyone else on this forum understands: You're that brainwashed.

Look, you actually perceive American Special Forces taking out OBL, who has been living right under your noses for who really knows how long (meaning: some subset of your Leadership knew), as an invasion. Special Forces on a mission such as that don't "invade", they're in (to take care of business) and out (to GTFO of Dodge).

How does one continue a discussion with someone that sees that as an invasion?

Yes: You are that brainwashed.

Chuck

You: TGB is wrong because he is brainwashed. You are attacking what I wrote not because you have anything to prove it otherwise, but because a Pakistani Muslim says it--and he must be wrong. I don't know why I keep posting here. P&N is full of fanatical idiots.

 

[Double Trouble]

I have traveled half the world and I'm confident I am living in better conditions that most people on AT. I don't need your pity. I'm doing well on my own with the grace of God.

You live in Pakistan, there's no way you live in "better living conditions" than anyone not in absolute poverty in any civilized country, including the US.

 

[Double Trouble]

P&N is full of fanatical idiots.

No doubt, that's true. Kind of like Pakistan as a whole.

 

[dabuddha]

WTF?

He's delusional as always. Thieves tend to be.

 

[dabuddha]

I have traveled half the world and I'm confident I am living in better conditions that most people on AT. I don't need your pity. I'm doing well on my own with the grace of God.

If you truly believe that, then you do need our pity. What parts of the world have you visited that are better than most of the places that AT folks live in?

 

[Darwin333]

I have traveled half the world and I'm confident I am living in better conditions that most people on AT. I don't need your pity. I'm doing well on my own with the grace of God.

So you are one of the 12 people that live halfway decent in your country? Well, I guess that would be 11 now that we killed OBL.

My dog has better living conditions than most of your countrymen.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

stop with the attacks on living conditions. TGB is full of shit but this isn't helping discuss the topic of this thread.

 

[The Green Bean]

stop with the attacks on living conditions. TGB is full of shit but this isn't helping discuss the topic of this thread.

If I was truly full of shit I would not have been offered admission into graduate programs of top USA Universities including Harvard, UChicago and NYU.

 

[The Green Bean]

If you truly believe that, then you do need our pity. What parts of the world have you visited that are better than most of the places that AT folks live in?

"Better" is subjective. I would say most, including Iraq and Syria.