Pakistan thinking about showing secret copter to China

[The Green Bean]

Care to expand on that? I havent seen any reports on the US killing Pakistan people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in_Pakistan

 

[The Green Bean]

So lets get this right you are right now living in Pakistan?
You are an American citizen who is of Pakistani descent?

Are you even allowed to vote?

I am a Pakistani living in Pakistan. And yes, I am allowed to vote.

 

[The Green Bean]

I agree we should communicate with TGB, after all, he's likely far more educated than the normal Pakistani, so in reality, we're actually conversing with the more educated Pakistani - scary in regards to brainwashing in its own right.

As for "a bit of propaganda", that is understatement of the decade. He's a Pakistani, his whole life he's grown up being brainwashed by people who themselves have grown up under the same brainwashed system.

It's like talking to a 3rd generation religous Christian fundi and trying to make headway that the Earth really is more than 6,000 years old: No matter the logic you use, you're wrong, because.....well, because.

Again, both sad an amusing at the same time....

Chuck

It's so funny that when people on this forum run out of counter arguments, they revert to ad-hominem,

 

[dabuddha]

It's about time we evacuated the 1-2 dozen decent folks and leveled that shithole of a "country." Or better yet, just unleash India and let them take back the whole country.

 

[rudder]

Are the idiots blaming Pakistan for being the "bad ally" drones? You invade our territory without telling us and then cry foul when we give your downed planes to our real ally? Pakistan should give everything to China and then tell the USA that they are not sorry.

harbor America's most wanted terrorist and do nothing... that is why pakistan got invaded. Last time the U.S. was courteous.. the backstabbing military informed al-qaeda that cruise missiles were going to fly over pakistan into bin laden's camps.

I say the U.S. should do to pakistan what they need to do with all the other shit holes around the world... let them be. In this case at least it will reduce our deficit by $5 billion.

 

[classy]

If they knew where OBL was we would have. The Americans bit our back by violating us when our guard was down. I say we should tell the USA to fuck off and find their own supply route in to Afghanistan and flush their so called aid down the drain.

If they knew? He was living right down the street.

 

[rudder]

The copter is no good to anybody anyways!
What made the copter special was either taken off the copter or destroyed with the copter by the Seals before they left!!

I have heard the paint on the copter was special. There is no way to stealth a copter that was designed without stealth in mind. However if you use special coatings to absorb radar...

 

[M0RPH]

This is what you get when you choose to violate the soveriegny of another nation with a secret assassination mission. You don't get to ask for your crashed helicopter back.

And BTW, why can't our "elite" guys manage to land and take off without losing a helicopter?

 

[fskimospy]

Pull all the troops out of the area and we don't need any supply lines.

That's a totally separate strategic/foreign policy decision and it shouldn't be made based upon whether or not we want to give Pakistan aid. Also, I've noticed that nobody addresses the nuclear weapons issue.

You guys on here are like children, (not necessarily you, pcgeek) every time a country does something we don't like there is some endless parade of idiots talking about how we should flatten their country. Military actions often have unforseen consequences far greater than the individual act, cost lots of money, and don't forget... cause lots of people to die.

Use your heads, people.

 

[JTsyo]

Are the idiots blaming Pakistan for being the "bad ally" drones? You invade our territory without telling us and then cry foul when we give your downed planes to our real ally? Pakistan should give everything to China and then tell the USA that they are not sorry.

Do you think if this took place in Britain, Germany or Japan, the US would have kept it from that state? Of course not because we would trust them to cooperate. With Pakistan, their loyalty is not known. Just look at yourself, you would rather not have the US involved. What would you personally have done if you knew about the raid?

 

[Jaskalas]

Are the idiots blaming Pakistan for being the "bad ally" drones? You invade our territory without telling us and then cry foul when we give your downed planes to our real ally? Pakistan should give everything to China and then tell the USA that they are not sorry.

If we were to call it even, and settled (you harbored him, but you let us kill him without retaliation) then I would consider our business to be done.

If however, you act punitively for us taking out Osama, I hope you know where us holding you responsible for Al Qaeda's terrorism will lead.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Sounds like some corrupt politicians want more "aid" money.

 

[The Green Bean]

Do you think if this took place in Britain, Germany or Japan, the US would have kept it from that state? Of course not because we would trust them to cooperate. With Pakistan, their loyalty is not known. Just look at yourself, you would rather not have the US involved. What would you personally have done if you knew about the raid?

The problem is we don't trust each other and we should stop acting like we do. We would both be better off if we stopped this pseudo-friendship.

As per your question, if I knew about the raid, I would have sent my forces and tried to get OBL before the Americans. I would warn the Americans and fire warning shots. However, I would not engage with them because that would be stupid. I would also instruct my team not to murder an unarmed man.

If I did not know about the mission, but I knew about the an American invasion, I would escort the American planes out of our territory. If the refused to do so, I would order them to be shot down. The American action was illegal--the problem is terrorism is right when you have the might. America is the biggest terrorist.

 

[The Green Bean]

Sounds like some corrupt politicians want more "aid" money.

The politicians have virtually killed the political future of their party. I can bet on the fact is that "freedom from American slavery" will be on top of the agenda in the next election.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The problem is we don't trust each other and we should stop acting like we do. We would both be better off if we stopped this pseudo-friendship.

As per your question, if I knew about the raid, I would have sent my forces and tried to get OBL before the Americans. I would warn the Americans and fire warning shots. However, I would not engage with them because that would be stupid. I would also instruct my team not to murder an unarmed man.

If I did not know about the mission, but I knew about the an American invasion, I would escort the American planes out of our territory. If the refused to do so, I would order them to be shot down. The American action was illegal--the problem is terrorism is right when you have the might. America is the biggest terrorist.

While you may have integrity; the actions of the ISI and the Pakistani government when it comes to attacks on AQ by US forces is not there.

Previously, when advance knowledge of attacks on targets were passed to the Pakistani government/military/ISI, immediately afterwards, those targets vanished. This had happened multiple times; given that there are sympathizers (at a min) within all three institutions, it is reasonable to feel that deliberate leaks/warnings occurred.

That is why, the US could not take a chance on asking Pakistan to cooperate or even institute the raid.

The use of drones to attack AQ/Taliban areas again are because when information has been passed along; it is not acted on. You have villages that have been co-opted by the AQ/Taliban groups; there are innocents there; but no one is using ground forces effectively to rout the militants out. Ground forces show up and the village (targets) is empty; yet photos from hours/days before showed the targets. Questions are asked - Why?

You have many good people within Pakistan that are trying to help, but being hindered by others. That cripples the cooperation between the countries and makes it so it is difficult to trust; not being able to tell/confirm where the rotten apples are.

 

[Karl Agathon]

China isn't a dog anymore. It's grown to become a monster-sized 800 pound gorilla.

SSBN Ftw!

 

[fskimospy]

This is what you get when you choose to violate the soveriegny of another nation with a secret assassination mission. You don't get to ask for your crashed helicopter back.

And BTW, why can't our "elite" guys manage to land and take off without losing a helicopter?

Flying helicopters low over unfamiliar terrain is a dangerous business.

 

[TechAZ]

The world would not miss Pakistan if it were turned into a glass parking lot. Just saying...

We should stop funding them, even if it means instability in the country. We are pumping billions into that shithole right now and it's still a 3rd world country with a nuke.

 

[Nebor]

The problem with propping up all these "moderate" dictators is that it comes back to bite us in the long run. When they get thrown out the radicals are even more empowered and anti-American. That's how we ended up with an Islamist Iran.

At this point I'm ready to write off Afghanistan as a loss and just go after Al-Qaeda targets as we get intelligence. Move special ops and expeditionary forces in and out as needed. Tell Pakistan we will violate their sovereignty whenever we feel like it and dare them to do anything about it.

Entirely agreed. We need to abandon Afghanistan and let the Pakistanis deal with it. It's their back yard.

 

[fskimospy]

The world would not miss Pakistan if it were turned into a glass parking lot. Just saying...

We should stop funding them, even if it means instability in the country. We are pumping billions into that shithole right now and it's still a 3rd world country with a nuke.

You honestly think that an unstable, nuclear armed Pakistan is preferable to spending a few billion dollars a year? You do realize that it's highly likely we would have to spend far more than that combating the results of an unstable, nuclear armed Pakistan, right?

The foreign policy advocated on this board is insanity. So long as we have interests in Afghanistan, keeping Pakistan as friendly as possible is a worthy priority. So long as they have nuclear weapons, a stable government is a high priority. Period.

 

[dabuddha]

Do you think if this took place in Britain, Germany or Japan, the US would have kept it from that state? Of course not because we would trust them to cooperate. With Pakistan, their loyalty is not known. Just look at yourself, you would rather not have the US involved. What would you personally have done if you knew about the raid?

Well obviously he'd see himself as Paul Revere and ride his donkey into the compound yelling "The Americans are coming, run Osama!"

 

[dabuddha]

That's a totally separate strategic/foreign policy decision and it shouldn't be made based upon whether or not we want to give Pakistan aid. Also, I've noticed that nobody addresses the nuclear weapons issue.

You guys on here are like children, (not necessarily you, pcgeek) every time a country does something we don't like there is some endless parade of idiots talking about how we should flatten their country. Military actions often have unforseen consequences far greater than the individual act, cost lots of money, and don't forget... cause lots of people to die.

Use your heads, people.

No shit Sherlocke! You probably shouldn't take everything you read seriously or you'll stroke out from all the stress!

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

If they knew where OBL was we would have. The Americans bit our back by violating us when our guard was down. I say we should tell the USA to fuck off and find their own supply route in to Afghanistan and flush their so called aid down the drain.

You must be an idiot if you think the ISI didn't know Osama was there. Or your government's secret services really are that inept.

 

[kage69]

Flying helicopters low over unfamiliar terrain is a dangerous business.

Abbottabad isn't at sea level either, it's elevation is almost a mile up. Helicopters don't like thin air.

 

[xj0hnx]

The problem is we don't trust each other and we should stop acting like we do. We would both be better off if we stopped this pseudo-friendship.

We don't act like we trust Pakistan, is pretty much a given that we don't because Pakistan hasn't earned anything resembling trust.

If I did not know about the mission, but I knew about the an American invasion, I would escort the American planes out of our territory. If the refused to do so, I would order them to be shot down. The American action was illegal--the problem is terrorism is right when you have the might. America is the biggest terrorist.

Just about the dumbest shit I have heard, no one "invaded" Pakistan, and please, elaborate on these "terrorist actions", this should be good.