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Pakistan cuts off NATO supply routes

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5150Joker said:
Wiki has it at 44 million but even 27 million is significantly higher than 10.
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Yes, but 27 is also significantly less than 44 million. I don't think there's a risk of the Pashtun taking over unless the US really fuck things up down there.
 
Lemon law said:
Well chucky2, now that you wound your mouth up like some jack in the box, you still fail to have a single insight into the fact we continue to lose in Afghanistan.

And worse yet, fail to question the very Nato behavior that caused those results happen.

Well congratulations, Chucky2, at proving that Nato is winning in Afghanistan, and you have done an excellent job at convincing yourself that its so.

You only have one little problem chucky2, your iron clad proof has zero to do with present reality. As you refuse to think that US propaganda could be possibly be anything but totally TRUE.

Sorry chucky2, there is no hope in ever educating the totally delusional. As I suggest to you that you will be happier to continue to believe Nato is winning in Afghanistan. Just keep believing in the tooth fairy no matter what actually happens. Behold the power of denial.

Will it make you happier if I told you we won in Vietnam too?
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Wow, you must really have got butt hurt over even an African shithole country telling AI to go f*ck themselves over their whining 'war crimes' BS against 'th3 ebil Bush'...it's affected your reading comprehension.

Go re-read my post to you again after you've had a good cry, then maybe take another stab at responding.

Here's a hint: I never, not once, said NATO is "winning" (whatever that is in relation to Afghanistan) in Afghanistan.

Chuck
 
cybrsage said:
Which is why they should have handed him over. Imagine the biggest kid saying you had to step aside so he could repeatedly punch the kid who hit him with a rock or he punch you repeated as well. Now, keep that image and add to it that the entire playground is standing around agreeing the big kid was right.

What do you do? Do you step aside and turn over the kid who attacked the big kid? If you do not turn over the kid who attacked the big kid, will anyone care when you cry that the big kid hit you?
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Well, if you're the best friend of the kid who threw the rock, absolutely!

Plus half the playground is girls, and 1.) they shouldn't be at school that's for males only and 2.) they're whores for daring to not cover their faces, so they're going to get rocks into their faces too.

Whoops, sorry, needed to apply some typical ME "logic" there...
 
chucky2 said:
Well, if you're the best friend of the kid who threw the rock, absolutely!

Plus half the playground is girls, and 1.) they shouldn't be at school that's for males only and 2.) they're whores for daring to not cover their faces, so they're going to get rocks into their faces too.

Whoops, sorry, needed to apply some typical ME "logic" there...
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LOL!
 
PingviN said:
Yes, but 27 is also significantly less than 44 million. I don't think there's a risk of the Pashtun taking over unless the US really fuck things up down there.
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The U.S. has fucked up things there in a lot of ways. One of them being placating the Pakistani government who are only interested in serving the few families that control the wealth in that country.



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Tankers buring
Assailants torched more than 20 tankers in Pakistan carrying fuel for U.S. and NATO troops in neighboring Afghanistan on Thursday, in the first reported attack since Islamabad closed the border to protest coalition airstrikes that killed 24 Pakistani troops last month.

Several hundred trucks have been stranded at poorly guarded terminals around the country as they wait for Pakistan to reopen its two border crossings into Afghanistan.

Police officer Hamid Shakil says unknown men fired rockets at a terminal for the tankers close to the southwestern city of Quetta.
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Pakistan is the country responsible for the security of the terminal. No NATO troops.
 
busydude said:
I'll reply to your other points.. but what possible economic reason can you give for America going to war with the Taliban?
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Because it is in china's and russia's backyard. If the usa could kill obl in pakistan despite alleged pakistan army support, why didnt they do the same when obl was in afghanistan. The usa could just have conducted special ops and let the taliban be--couldnt have left things in a worse state. Im pretty sure the taliban would not have been able to do anything against that.

This is also the same reason the usa wants pakistan to abandon gas pipelines through iran and opt for pipelines through afghanstan. Its ridiculous that the usa think iran is potentially unstable when compared to afghanistan. These projects are worth trillions in the long term. However, this is just a perk. Think of how many arms companies benefitted from this.

Pakistan still hasnt lifted the bloackade. The usa was already paying $1000 a gallon (400usd per liter) for feul according to some sources. I wonder how high it will be now. On the other hand pakistan has beefed up their anti air defences on their western border and authorized its troops to to shoot down us drones (which i think is dumb since they probably wont and will only emd up embarassing themselves). The PM has also summoned 15 important ambasaddors from world capitals to draft a new foreign policy.

Iran and Argentina have defied us aggression ams theu are doing pretty well... we dont have oil and our economy isnt really doing well so i dont know how well we will fare. But if the numbers are true this war has cost us $10 billion excluding opportunity costs which is far greater than any american aid. I read somewhere that overburdened nato containers have caused billions of dollara of infrastructure damage...



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The Green Bean said:
Not even the british had control over those. Pakistan should have refused to annex those places into their borders.

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Any possibility that Pakistan can reject those territories. Let them becomes their own separate territory as a single group or own country.

Hand them over to the UN to administer?
 
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EagleKeeper said:
The Green Bean said:
Not even the british had control over those. Pakistan should have refused to annex those places into their borders.

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Any possibility that Pakistan can reject those territories. Let them becomes their own separate territory as a single group or own country.

Hand them over to the UN to administer?
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How can the un succeed where the pakistanis have failed?

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the comment was not that the UN would succeed where Pakistan failed.

It was to get Pakistan off the hook for being responsible for those territories that she did not want and is unable to control.

Let them form their own country!
 
Let them form nothing...the UN doesn't need to oversee them either. They want to be way the F out there on the edge, let them be. When they do something that Pakistan/Afghanistan doesn't like, then Pakistan/Afghanistan can go kill a few thousand as a message to not F with them.
 
EagleKeeper said:
Any possibility that Pakistan can reject those territories. Let them becomes their own separate territory as a single group or own country.

Hand them over to the UN to administer?
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Maybe an interesting idea EK, but probably not practical. Who would administer the tribal areas now in basic anarchy if we spin in off from Pakistan.

One idea might be the UN but they don't have the troops. Nor does Nato, who can't even control or get consensus in Afghanistan so that idea is a non starter. Nor could Russia who is still about as Popular as Nato.

And that leads to the only other country that could possibly have the army, economic means, and the motivation to accomplish the feat. Namely IRAN.

As Iran unites both Afghanistan and the ethnically similar tribal regions, makes some truce with the Taliban and other ethnic groups, and then proceeds to build a natural gas pipeline from Iran to Pakistan. Once Pakistan completes the final part into India, both Pakistan and India will have a economic motivation to solve their joint problems and work together. Meanwhile, with the jobs, economic development, and modernization a pipeline would bring to Afghanistan and the tribal areas, old line Taliban ideas will simply fade away.
 
It never occurred to me that Iran has the world's best military, economy and motivation. We need to GTFO of Afghanistan already so Iran and Pakistan can activate their fucking wonder twin powers and fix that shit hole, because we're sure not getting the job done.
 
wow...no one created a new thread on Pakistan saying they are going to shoot down US drones in their air space?

Have we pulled our billions of funding yet? Wonder what their response to that will be....
 
West Pakistan + Balochistan area of Pakistan never wanted to join the country in the first place. The Pashtuns in the west wanted to merge with Afghanistan back in the 40s or form their own independent country. The Balochis right now don't want to be part of Pakistan but they're forced to because they're sitting on natural gas, I'm sure TGB knows this. Neither of those areas ever had descended into the kind of chaos they're in right now, not until the USSR/USA showed up.

Oh and EagleKeeper, you're an idiot if you think all these problems emanating from the tribal areas are their fault, everything you guys are seeing in the media is engineered by the Pakistani military and ISI which has trained and armed groups like the Taliban and Kashimiri terrorists. If they had retained their autonomy, chances are the Taliban would never have existed nor Pakistan had any influence in Afghanistan. All terrorist groups operating out of Pakistan were intentionally formed to use as proxy armies against India.
 
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5150Joker.

Playing devil's advocate.

TGB was stating that they did no want any the tribal areas.

So what would happened with Pakistan and those areas if there was a divorce?
 
The Green Bean said:
The tribal areas would probably be taken over by Afghanistan and it would get worse than it already is.
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Would that then be better for Pakistan?

You have borders that you have the ability to control and have gotten rid of the "red-headed step child" that you never wanted.

Problems can then be blamed on Afghanistan if Pakistan is attacked from those areas.

And the flash point presently of NATO crossing the existing border and the accusation of Pakistan sheltering the Taliban will not exist.

Pakistan can actually draw the line at her borders to prevent the militant infiltration and create a valid pincer with NATO in the tribal areas without the politics getting in the way.
 
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