P4 or Athlon?

[Adul]

<< The upgradeability is really a dead issue. Athlons are not going up in mhz in this model and the new motherboards will almost certainly be incompatable with the old AMD chips. AMD wont screw their mobo manufacturers out of easy money off a new chip. >>



Kyle has talk to abit about this and they already stated that their board will work with athlon 4. Also ASUS released a bios update to support the athlon 4.

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;Keep quiet, you idiot!!!...&quot;
&quot;jackass!!!&quot;

&quot;u idiot&quot;
&quot;some people dont know shlt and this guy shows it. I read the reviews idiot&quot;

&quot;you are either a liar or stupid SOB...&quot;

You guys are WAY out of line. :| Grow up.

 

[Wingznut]

dp

 

[damocles]

If you use another mb other then the asus p4t, then you'll need a special p4 case has well

Ack

I knew i needed a new PSU, but will a stock P4 mobo not fit in an HQ-08 Case?

 

[Wingznut]

&quot;So if you like upgrading about once a year like I do then I would stick with AMD.&quot;

Ok, I see this kind of thing being mentioned every day. I'm not sure where the misinformation comes from, but AMD has changed their chipset requirements as often (or more) than Intel has.

How long did SS7 last?
How long did Slot A last?
How long did Socket A-100mhz last?
How long did Socket A-133mhz SDRAM last?

And it would surprise the crap out of me, if the .13um cpus from AMD in 13 months will run successfully on today's motherboards. And even if it did, don't you think there will be a better motherboard next year, and you'd be upgrading anyway? I think it's pretty rare that people even upgrade the cpu only anyway, as generally there is a better motherboard when you are ready to upgrade.

So, I think that it's not accurate to say that if you get an AMD setup today, you can upgrade it next year.

 

[Wingznut]

No, because the heatsink brackets mount to the case (or a plate, in the case of the P4T). It's a very solid setup (the clips included), and I'm real impressed by it. It just screams quality.

But why would you choose a motherboard other than the P4T anyway?

 

[GrumpyMan]

Don't get either, get a Via C3. Now that is an awesome chip, no comparison with either of these two wannabes(Intel,AMD).

 

[damocles]

Damn, just spent ages modding an HQ-08.

So how do you know if a case is P4 approved, is there a std ?

 

[Duvie]

Wingnutz, I see your point on the first 2 s7, slota...

But if a person comes into the pc market know and get a mobo supporting 133fsb, like most boards now...he has a range of tbirds from 650 to 1400 (200fsb), 1000-1400 (266fsb), and whole duron line...

You got to admit that is impressive...

PLus possibility to throw palominos with mobo support (some supports suggest this will happen) on there and go up to 1733...

I think the thunderbird socket a is the longest run without changing fsb...

 

[1967mustangman]

I would go for the Athlon as of now. It is cheeper, it seems to be more porven, and the memory for it is also less expensive.

 

[Adul]

damocles

If you have a nice moded case and go with the P4. Just get the asus board (Quite possibly the best MB out there for the P4). It will fit in any standard ATX case. The reason for the spcial case is because the heatsink now needs to be attached to the case instead of the socket.

You will need to install RDRAM in pairs and you need to place continuity modules in the empty slots. Also, when installing in pairs, each RIMM needs to be placed in a seperate RDRAM channel. Refer to the manaul for this info.

 

[FreakyD]

Just go with an Athlon, more bang for the buck. When you're up around 1.x ghz, most games will run just fine with a decent video card. I believe the Athlon will have a longer upgrade path with current motherboards considering the Palamino will likely only require a bios update. Low level P4 really sux, high level P4 is expensive but yes seems to be a bit faster than the high level Athlon. Is the extra $200 worth it? No.

 

[Syborg1211]

Personally, I would go with the P4 if money is not the biggest issue, and the extra 200 isn't even that much.. I would pay the extra money for the P4 mainly because the chipset is definitely more stable, I know all you AMD people say your system is soo stable and all but all my friends with AMD are not AMD zealots and are saying that want to switch to Intel. Heat is another thing I am worried about, I don't want to get an Athlon and discover my cpu is burnt just because my fan failed on me. I am personally either going to get a Palomin, Tualatin P3 or tualatin P4. I am leaning towards the P4 because as the sse2 support gets more and more the P4 numbers get more and more added to them.

 

[Duvie]

Don't count on that 200 number...I got it more like 280.00 as the best I could find...

Keep counting on the sse2 optimization...for ppl around here upgrades are at least once a year. I bet there will not have been an overwhelming increase in p4's in a year from their initital release. It is going to take longer, and by then promises of what could be are a waste...Give us the promises when we buy it...

I say go cheap, since the tech picture changes so rapidly you may find yourself wanting to upgrade even sooner. I am planning on one cpu upgrade left on my current mobo 1.4ghz around august...then whole system upgrade first quarter next year. I think there are going to be some big things coming around then. Who knows maybe I go to Intel, maybe not...

 

[Pabster]

WSPTrooper wrote:

&quot;wasnt harsh at all he practically came out and called me a liar , i aint gonna go for that&quot;

You *are* a liar. You inferred that Athlon's run &quot;typically&quot; at 125-130F. That's just not the case, even with mediocre heatsink/fan assemblies. I'm running a 1.33@1.506 and seeing 20-22C idle and 36C max under FULL LOAD. Do the math.

If heat is the only reason you can give to choose P4 over Athlon, so be it. But at least provide accurate facts. Quoting that these chips run 125-130F at &quot;stock&quot; speed is laughable, and shows either you haven't the faintest idea what you speak of, or you spend too much time reading &quot;reviews&quot;.

 

[TheHorta]

I have always been an Intel man myself. For my current system (check out my rig below) I could've afforded to use anything I wanted, but I specifically chose the Athlon 1.3GHz over the P4 1.7GHz for three reasons. First, I don't play games... at all, not even solitare. I don't need any more reasons for the computer to hold me hostage. Second, in virtually every realworld benchmark, the Athlon spanks the P4 even at the lower clock speeds, and all I use are realworld apps. Third, the Athlon FPU doesn't just spank the P4, it uttely obliterates it by no small margin. It's like the Lakers playing my local high school team in basketball. The Athlon is just that much better. Considering I use 3DS Max, Discreet Edit and Combustion to do video editing on my system, this is no small enhancement. One of my guys has a P4 1.5GHz, identically configured, and can't believe the difference, especially under MAX and Combustion.

There is also a fourth reason. The fact that I can buy TWO Athlon/Mobo combinations, or upgrade much sooner without worrying about the $600 I just laid out three months ago for a lousy P4 processor and motherboard. The economics are a substantial part of it. My cohort is pissed that he dropped nearly $800 of his money only a few months ago that it can't hold a candle to mine that I paid $340 (talking CPU/mobo only). If I honestly thought that the P4 was an equal or better processor, I would've stuck with Intel and never gave AMD the time of day.

Common sense dictates a logical conclusion here.

Athlon - hands down.

 

[damocles]

Anand's take on it

The recommendations themselves haven?t changed, but now we can make much more specific suggestions as to what route you should consider. Quite possibly the most useful benchmark in defining what type of user you are would be SYSMark 2001. If you find yourself the type of person that is encoding a video file while working on editing an image and a video, switching to a web design application, putting together a demo in Flash and other types of scenarios like that then the Pentium 4 is more suited for your usage style. If you are this type of a user then you do demand the greater amounts of bandwidth that the Pentium 4?s cache, FSB and memory bus can offer. Be prepared to pay a premium over an Athlon, but at least you are getting greater performance for it.

In terms of gaming performance, the current standings are producing mixed results. In some situations (Quake III Arena, MBTR) the Pentium 4 is dominating, while in others it is tying (Serious Sam) or lagging behind the Athlon (UnrealTournament). We will have to wait until more games are available that we can test in order to make a solid conclusion for the gamer, however you really can?t go wrong with either setup as far as things stand today.



Let's stop the squabbling and acknowledge that both cpus have advantages

 

[LordGorzul]

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I AM THE ONE, the originator of this thread. Thanks a lot to all of you, and sorry about the arguments i caused.

ok after reading all your replies i decided to go with the AMD (TBird) 1.4GHz SOCKET- A (266Mhz FSB) Chip.

That said, I am asking you which Motherboad i should get, if you can give me a precise boad name so I can look for it online it would be great.

Also, I have a SB Live sound card, 64mb ddr radeon videocard, and 3 sticks of 128mb pc133 SDRAM.
I take it these will be compatible with the AMD motherboard, correct me if I'm wrong.

Just wondering, how come the AMD 1.4ghz is $200+ and P4 1.4ghz is less ($167) I thought AMD was supposed to be cheaper. Also I dont really intend to overclock and i will buy retail, however i make go overseas for a while and take the PC with me so if something fails I wont really be able to replace it. What can/should i do to be safe from frying my chip?

Thanks in advance for your help.

LG.

 

[Degenerate]

well, who needs to run their Microsoft Word faster? IE ?

 

[Rainsford]

Or encode movies and MP3s, or zip files, or virus scan, or defrag their hard drive, or use Photoshop. Yeah, who needs to do that stuff faster.

Now, as far as the intelligent questions went. I'd suggest the Asus A7V133, it's supposed to be a very stable board and I have the A7V regular, which I love. You won't be dissapointed.

 

[LordGorzul]

as far as the Asus A7V133 goes, specs says it takes 700 to 1.2GHz, I'm geting a 1.4ghz..
that wont work..

 

[Rainsford]

Hmm, that might be a problem. I'm not sure what boards do support that speed, come to think of it. I'm sure that other people know though.

 

[SpeedTrap]

<< I will give you that review...fine..I have seen people here report numbers on 1.33ghz chips they have oc'd up into the 1.5ghz and have temps running below those numbers...so they may tend to be on the high side...


For the crap comment &quot;...but if you go athlon get retail, cause that chips gonna fry before the warranty.&quot;


that is a lie...and yeah I guess you are either a liar or stupid SOB...

edit: most oem warranties are 30 days...my tbird 750@840 I had for 4 months until I sold it to upgrade 2 months ago...my new 1.1@1.2

stop before you dig yourself into the grave idiot.

2 tbird has been running for 2 months...

Oh wait I must be the luckiest bastage on the planet neither one of them fried before the warranty...OHHHH

The palominos coming out in late august will help some on the heat issue while boosting chip performance 10-15 percent...wait until then if you can. >>




Actually quit making you look like a idiot, but then again thats my your golden.

2 then 4 months theres still 2 years and 8 months left there but i guess you dont get it. oh well go back into your hole and smoke your crack or whatever cause you still aint proven otherwise from what i said

 

[Empire_DNH]

P4 no doubt about it

 

[dowxp]

<< once you go dual baby, you never go back...


..unfortunately its on the disabled list today. >>




im joining the smp crowd very soon. got my pdvia-ls today. screw single cpus! although it runs via apollo 133a, its a very good chipset. the best one.. by via. =) the only thing next to the real thing, intel. =)