P4 is the fastest machine at madonion -

[BreakApart]

grant2, ahhh now i'm seeing where you and I don't agree. Math...

You are using a percentage increase based on the smallest CPU, where is am using the Percentage difference based on the highest CPU compared to the smaller CPU.(thats my fault, i should have explained this)

Your math 1200 vs 1600 = 33% increase
My math 1200/1600 = 25% increase.

My math 1600/2200 = 27% increase
Your math 1600 vs 2200 = 37% increase (the Athlon 1.6G -vs- P4 2.2G)

Ok, so instead of my previous example 27% increase yet only a 15% performance advantage.

Your example would be 37% increase, and still only a 15% performance advantage.

Great now you made the P4 look even worse. You happy?

This is getting picky though, thanks for the discussion grant2. I look forward to our next disagreement.

 

[Eli]

Bah. I rarely visit here anymore, and I still get annoyed by these kinds of posts.


A 2.2GHz processor beats a 1.6GHz processor. Shocking.


The P4 is pure marketing. Intel knows that MHz sells. That's MO. No doubt that the P4 is an engineering feat, but 99% of computer users could care less. All they see is a bigger number, so they think it's better. Ahh, how I wish for the day when people are actually informed...


Why would an informed user buy a higher clocked, more expensive system, when a lower clocked, less expensive system performs the same? You tell me...

 

[poopaskoopa]

<< Why would an informed user buy a higher clocked, more expensive system, when a lower clocked, less expensive system performs the same? You tell me... >>



Such an individual operating with a fixed budget would not, but this is an enthusiasts' site where people debate/argue the difference between CAS2/3, AMD/Intel, etc. It's not like people can tell the difference of these things if they can't see the inside of the machine, but we(or they) tend to care about these minute gains that can be made(and measured, even if it's done with the use of 3dmark2001) by using certain component instead of the other.

 

[Flat]

<< Why would an informed user buy a higher clocked, more expensive system, when a lower clocked, less expensive system performs the same? You tell me... >>



I dislike Athlons, due to the constant problems I have with the motherboards, heat etc. Also P4s overclock better, and easier. The differences in speed are not really noteworthy either, a GeForce3 over a Radeon will make much more difference than a AMD over Intel. For a whole alot of people, $200-300 (+maybe another 200 for RDRAM) is not a big deal, thats a fact. I would estimate that a large majority of users of anantec, are relativly young &amp; poor (no offense). Also you add in the perceived underdog factor for AMD... voila: popular sentiment that Intel Inside = Idiot Outside.

 

[grant2]

grant2, ahhh now i'm seeing where you and I don't agree. Math...

Your math 1200 vs 1600 = 33% increase
My math 1200/1600 = 25% increase.


I would argue that by your method it's a 25% DECREASE. i.e., 1200 is only 75% of 1600. But you are right, this is just being picky

Great now you made the P4 look even worse. You happy?

I don't have a love for any particular processor (I currently fry eggs on my p-60) ... but intel knowingly lowered their mhz: performance ratio so I don't think it's fair to call it &quot;sad&quot; when in the end it still provides the most performance. (according to that benchmark at least)

thanks for the discussion grant2.

same

 

[Insane3D]

I think we need a seperate forum for AMD vs. Intel wars....



Sad thing is it would probably be one of the most popular ones....

 

[MplsBob]

>> P4 is the fastest machine at madonion

Who cares?

 

[grant2]

>> P4 is the fastest machine at madonion

Who cares?

hardware enthusiasts

 

[Degenerate]

<< &quot;Does anyone know of any reliable benchmarks showing a 2.2+ GHz P4 against a 1.5+ GHz Athlon? Any information on stability? When 6 P4's are faster than the fastest Athlon, I really have to wonder...&quot;

You're looking at one benchmark. Try a few more. It's hit-and-miss. Athlon wins some, P4 wins some. There's really no &quot;clear&quot; leader.
>>



i doubt that when the difference is @ 700mhz that there will be no clear winner. Look at the benchmarks not with the 1.7 and 1.4, i agree with tou there. but you're talking about a 700mhz difference, not 300mhz.

 

[Degenerate]

oh yeah, and for those who siad that the benchmarks are run at 640x480, here: (i know, its Q3, but his shows high resolution when the mhz increases. look at the last two graphs. )


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