P4 is the fastest machine at madonion -

[Zzzt]

Link

A score of 9415 at 2272 MHz??? 8161 is the highest athlon score at 1599MHz. (for some reason MP's show no results although Pabster has submitted his MP results)

That's a 15% performance difference... Now I love the athlon, and run it myself, and I understand that you're looking at a good $200 more to build a P4(not including a new case because for 4 bucks you can get an adapter to let your normal ATX PS run a P4 board), but 15% is a heck of a lot!

Are P4's running at these speeds unstable? Why have I not seen these 2GHz+ chips in ANY articles? I've seen plenty of benchmarks showing OC'd athlons against 1.2, 1.5, and 1.7GHz P4's, and am feeling a bit cheated when we don't get to see the OC'd P4's also.

Unless my thinking is flawed in my above statements, a parallel between the AMD-Intel and the Mac-PC arguements can be made. How many times have you heard a mac guy say,"The G4 can do sooo much more per clock cycle than any PC?" We always responded with,"Who cares - you're still slower."

Does anyone know of any reliable benchmarks showing a 2.2+ GHz P4 against a 1.5+ GHz Athlon? Any information on stability? When 6 P4's are faster than the fastest Athlon, I really have to wonder...

P.S. I understand that 3dmark 2001 is not the only benchmark, but 15%...

 

[Vegito]

he used an athlon not athlon 4, but yeah probably even with athlon 4, it wont be as fast, dont they compare it clock to clock, meaning get a 2.2 P4 vs 2.2 A4

 

[fkloster]

<< ...dont they compare it clock to clock, meaning get a 2.2 P4 vs 2.2 A4(?) >>



Clock for clock comparison?

 

[knsaber]

its not surprising, but it sure is funnt scrolling through every single benchmark in 3dmark2001 that's over 5000, and every computer uses the GeForce3.... haha

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< Are P4's running at these speeds unstable? >>


Almost certainly, unless they are using hard-core (IOW, expensive) cooling.

However, if Intel can scale up the P4's GHz rating as fast as they say they can, then stable 2.2GHz processors capable of these scores will be a market reality.

 

[mithrandir2001]

<< Does anyone know of any reliable benchmarks showing a 2.2+ GHz P4 against a 1.5+ GHz Athlon? >>


With a 47% clock advantage, the P4 overtakes the Athlon, despite the fact the Athlon runs faster equally clocked.

 

[insane]

Man AMD Zealots can't stand it. Why don't you just admin INTEL wh00ped yo asses. P4 is designed to hit 10Ghz and Athlon will hit about +2Ghz so if AMD don't get their act toghter they are doomed. Don't start with hammer yo proberly can't afford it anyways (server cpu)

Take care,

I

 

[Vegito]

Insane, i really dont care who does better in anything as long as I short the stock when market is down and buy when the market is up, I been making crap loads of money off amd stock, though I dont own 1 amd processor but I own 8+ intel processor for myself. All the issues between the two processor has been thoroughly discussed... non of that matters when you got money to burn, as long as you kids keep buying it, I'll make more money in both stocks no matter what..

 

[huanaku]

P4 is designed to hit 10Ghz

hahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[alfhead]

When it comes down to price/performance ratio, the Athlon is the clear winner. Given that P4s will only get faster and AMD has yet to produce something comparable, other factors like price and overclockability make AMD my #1 choice.

 

[buck]

<< P4 is designed to hit 10Ghz >>


Theres a quote.

 

[Informant X]

LOL look at that tool box insane, he's all pro-intel and ish, and he's got a AMD system. Man what a tool.

 

[buck]

A duron at that.

 

[julianf]

Thumbs up for Intel...

 

[Nelmster]

I short the stock when market is down and buy when the market is up

ummm, Forcesho, isn't this backwards? Don't you want to short when the market is at the top and buy when the market is at the bottom? Or were you referring to directional movement?

 

[julianf]

<<

<< P4 is designed to hit 10Ghz >>


Theres a quote. >>



i would like to that heatsink.... :Q

 

[Texmaster]

Zzzt,

I would guess that the P4 they have is unlocked which if it is, really is not a fair comparison. IF its not unlocked then it is. My 1.7 can only hit 2.07 but thats not to say it couldn't go higher with better cooling I guess.

Now when the 1.8 comes out, I'll let you know how high it can go but I'm guess only about 2.17 at least for me.

 

[undercover]

I still don't get why someone is all excited about a 2.2ghz beating a 1.6 by only 15%.

Let me compare:

Him: &quot;Dood, I raced this guy this weekend and I spanked him bad!&quot;
Me:&quot;What was he driving?&quot;
Him:&quot;He was in a brand new Mustang&quot;
Me:&quot;Oh really, what were you in?&quot;
Him:&quot;My brand new Lamborgini Diablo&quot;
Me:&quot;Oh, how bad did you beat him?&quot;
Him:&quot;By a couple car lenghths&quot;
Me:&quot;Great a $300,000 car over a $25,000 car by 2 car lenghths&quot;
Him:&quot;Shut up! My car can hit 10ghz!&quot;

 

[fkloster]

<< Now when the 1.8 comes out, I'll let you know how high it can go... >>



Tex, your gonna dump your 1.7 for a 1.8 when they come out? Wow, I thought I was an upgrade freak

 

[SoBizarre]

I bet 2 bucks that before sunset Wingznut PEZ will reply to this thread ...

I give you 5 to 1

Cheers,
SB

 

[BreakApart]

WOW that is wayyy sad...

1.6G -vs- 2.2G = 27% clock difference, yet ONLY a 15% performance increase.
Heck, that doesn't even include the price difference.

Sad, sad day when people think this type of performance ratio is a good thing...

 

[Modus]

Zzzt,

<< When 6 P4's are faster than the fastest Athlon, I really have to wonder... >>

Yes, you would have to wonder. The thing is, they're not faster. 3DMark is a synthetic benchmark -- there's no application or game that you can use or play called 3DMark. Not to mention, it was written by BapCo/Madonion, whose corporate headquarters are inside Intel's head office.

In the majority of real-world games, however, the Athlon is faster. The P4 certainly takes its share, but the Athlon takes more. And neither the P4 or the Athlon shows an overall edge on &quot;newer, more advanced games&quot;, even when they support SSE2.

Modus

 

[PolPot]

The P4 is oc'd by 33.6%. That has GOT to lead to some stability problems. I would much rather have the highest performing Athlon as 3D is only one piece of a picture for me -- desktop apps, 2D et al will almost certainly still run fater on the lower MHz Athlon. If you notice on the P4 entries also, they are water cooled. That's not too accessible by anyone but the most hard-core o/c'er. I actually think it's kind of sad if you put forth that much effort for o/c'ing for anything other than a proof of concept, but that's just my opinion.

 

[fkloster]

<< ...there's no application or game that you can use or play called 3DMark >>



Modus is incorrect. 3DMark2001 HAS a game in it, that is also incorporated in the benchmark. It is a fantastic benchmark in my opinion.



<< In the majority of real-world games, however, the Athlon is faster. The P4 certainly takes its share, but the Athlon takes more. >>



Tough one to prove, especially with newer games like Sacrifice, Giants, NASCAR 4, MBTR, Tribes 2, ect that I would argue run faster on the P4 but have limited Benchmarking results published. The future 'Max Payne' will smoke on the P4 as it will be written to take full advantage of DX 8 &amp; SSE2.

 

[poopaskoopa]

<< Me:&quot;Great a $300,000 car over a $25,000 car by 2 car lenghths&quot; >>



That's absurd. Unless of course 25,000/300,000 = 177/377 to you.