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undercover

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ok sorry .....


a $60,000 car over a $25,000 car by only 15%

bleh

Point is, Intels best NEW stuff ... Can barely beat AMD's "lesser" not as up to date stuff.

heh
 

LuNoTiCK

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If I had the money, I would rather have a P4 than a t-bird, especially when the new ones come out.
 

fkloster

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<< Can barely beat AMD's &quot;lesser&quot; not as up to date stuff. >>



What is AMD's 'up-to-date-stuff'? :confused:
 

formulav8

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<< Modus is incorrect. 3DMark2001 HAS a game in it, that is also incorporated in the benchmark. It is a fantastic benchmark in my opinion. >>





Can you play the game? Whats the name of it? Is it multiplayer or what?. I don't recall being able to play a game in 3DMark. And as it being a good benchmark its probably the most unreliable bench IMO. I get up to 5% to 10% different results everytime I run it. Thats not a very accurate bench to me. Sanda is a more steady bench then 3DMark is.


Jason
 

undercover

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I ment that AMD is behind in speed. But thats it. Their &quot;slower&quot; stuff is faster than Intels.

 

fkloster

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<< Can you play the game? Whats the name of it? Is it multiplayer or what?. I don't recall being able to play a game in 3DMark >>



1) Yes, you can play it.
2) Its called 3dMark game
3) No its not multiplayer
4) You have to register the benchmark to unlock the game.

Its the game where you drive around in 4X4's on tracks.



<< I get up to 5% to 10% different results everytime I run it... >>



Assuming you are getting atleast a score of 5000 (prolly more like 6500) with that rig of yours, you are proclaiming that your score jumps from 250 to 500 point swings every time you run the bench? I call Bullsh|t on the unbelievable statement formula. That is a lie. :|
 

dukdukgoos

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3dMark2001 runs better on the P4. So what? Just about every benchmark other the 3dMark and Quake 3 run better on the Athlon.

On the other hand, the average consumer only looks at clock speed, so AMD better come up with something fast to ramp up the mhz...
 

JackOfHearts

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When the next gen p4 comes out it will leave amd in the dust, simple because it will beable to hardware multitask... What I mean by this is that when you run several apps on your computer the cpu jumps back and forth from task to task the takes time... the next gen p4 will beable to do several things at the same time thus making it vastly superior to amd... I don't even think amd has an option like that in there cpu road map... they are doomed Intel and Microsoft will rule the WORLD!!!!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


p.s I rather like intel:p
 

JackOfHearts

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When the next gen p4 comes out it will leave amd in the dust, simple because it will beable to hardware multitask... What I mean by this is that when you run several apps on your computer the cpu jumps back and forth from task to task the takes time... the next gen p4 will beable to do several things at the same time thus making it vastly superior to amd... I don't even think amd has an option like that in there cpu road map... they are doomed Intel and Microsoft will rule the WORLD!!!!

MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!


p.s I rather like intel:p
 

JJ8

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I previously stated that I would refrain from such threads...

For all your dumb as$ that claims to be in the know about CPU tech, I suggest you completely read, memorize, and $hit this page. When you are done, come back and start talking facts. Both sides of this argument will see holes in their reasoning.
 

MustPost

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P4 is going to change there mobo so soon.
AMD is going to be socket A for a while, i forget how long their planning to stay with it
 

fkloster

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jj8, that is a terribly biased, opinionated, and horribly outdated article. March of 2000? Give me a break...



<< As of 08/11/99 there is only CPU manufacturer claiming to have a 7th generation CPU. Its AMD; with its &quot;Athlon&quot; processor. So I will start with this and await the Intel Willamette core. Of course VIA and Transmeta are welcome to join in too if they build a processor they deem worthy of joining this class of CPU. >>




Christ the guy started writing it back 1999? Nice goin' JJ8 :confused:



<< For all your dumb as$ that claims to be in the know about CPU te.. >>



Thats just great. Call us dumb :|
 

JJ8

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Ok, I forgot that you already know all of the tech on that page. While it may be outdated, the CPU info on that page is correct. And youare calling that page opinoniated? Yeah, I'll give you a break. I try my hardest to not to make things personal, and to direct my comments to no particular person, but I guess you operate differently.
 

fkloster

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Some of the tech on the page may be accurate to some degree, but the author is constantly firing out opinionated blurbs that are quite irritating. A difficult read @ best, and obviosly heavily slanted toward AMD.
 

bigbootydaddy

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<< A difficult read @ best, and obviosly heavily slanted toward AMD. >>


i thought everyone was...

BBD drives away in his p3 smp.
 

JJ8

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Its supposed to be difficult because you are learning something. I was hoping that before people start spewing forth about SSE, registers, pipelines, etc they will do their homework first.
 

Ben

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We've had this discussion before.

3dMark is pretty useless for comparing across different platforms. Just look at a side by side comparison between a GeForce2 Ultra and a GeForce3. The GeForce3 scores significantly higher simply because the Ultra can't perform some of the tests.

But in the real world, the Ultra will keep up with the GF3 in FPS under most conditions.

I'd say the same for the P4 vs. Athlon 4. For all we know the P4 is getting extra points for new features that the Athlon 4 doesn't have. Yet in the real world the Athlon 4 performs right up there with a higher clocked P4.
 

Texmaster

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<< Now when the 1.8 comes out, I'll let you know how high it can go... >>



Tex, your gonna dump your 1.7 for a 1.8 when they come out? Wow, I thought I was an upgrade freak :confused:
>>



LOL I'll dump it faster than a trucker in a port-a-potty
 

grant2

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1.6G -vs- 2.2G = 27% clock difference, yet ONLY a 15% performance increase.
Heck, that doesn't even include the price difference.

Sad, sad day when people think this type of performance ratio is a good thing...


WTF, who cares what the mhz: Performance ratio is. Most sane people care about price: Performance. You sound like those mac weirdos &quot;my 50-kilohertz processor can do more every cycle than your feeble 1gig p3!&quot;

EVERY processor is going to gain performance slower than MHZ... welcome to the law of diminishing returns!
 

peemo

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Wake me up for 2.2GHz passive cooling with a 250W PS. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
 

BreakApart

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<< WTF, who cares what the mhz: Performance ratio is. Most sane people care about price: Performance. You sound like those mac weirdos &quot;my 50-kilohertz processor can do more every cycle than your feeble 1gig p3!&quot;

EVERY processor is going to gain performance slower than MHZ... welcome to the law of diminishing returns!
>>




WTH are you talking about?

For the slower folks out there: I was comparing an Athlon -vs- P4, and was pointing out-> That it took 27% more Mhz in the P4 to beat the 1.6G Athlon by only 15%. This DOES NOT fall under the law of diminishing returns. This was a comparison of (2) different CPUs with different incorporated instruction sets, and performance enhancements.

The Law of Diminishing returns only applys to the same object/concept when subjected to growth.
These (2) CPUs are NOT the same!

Quick Example:
Compare the performance of a P4 1.4G -vs- Athlon 1.4G, are they equal? I think we all know the answer...

GASP! You compared me to a crazy MAC addict!
Ohh well, could be worse...
 

mdennison

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I always see these conversations and finally decided to join in on this one. Macci and DJ from Madonion do rule with their p4 systems but 3dmark is more a video card benchmark than a cpu/system benchmark. Thats all..my two cents :)