P4 4 EE 3.4GHz 800MHz 2MB S478 CPU

[crosshairs]

OK, well I could not wait anymore..I ran 3Dmark 05


Results..CPU @ 3.6 X850XT-PE @ 540/590... 6563...
CPU @ 3.6 X850XT-PE @ 560/610... 6615..


I cant wait to get my X1950 back and see what kind of difference that makes....

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: crosshairs
OK, well I could not wait anymore..I ran 3Dmark 05


Results..CPU @ 3.6 X850XT-PE @ 540/590... 6563...
CPU @ 3.6 X850XT-PE @ 560/610... 6615..


I cant wait to get my X1950 back and see what kind of difference that makes....

expect well over 9k

my x850xt with my 2.80c@3.31Ghz scored about 6K ... with the 7800GS OC oc'd, just over 6500 and with my sapphire x1950xt/512M .. ~8,000

with the EE@3.74 and the x1950p at stock is 9280

 

[crosshairs]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: crosshairs
OK, well I could not wait anymore..I ran 3Dmark 05


Results..CPU @ 3.6 X850XT-PE @ 540/590... 6563...
CPU @ 3.6 X850XT-PE @ 560/610... 6615..


I cant wait to get my X1950 back and see what kind of difference that makes....

expect well over 9k

my x850xt with my 2.80c@3.31Ghz scored about 6K ... with the 7800GS OC oc'd, just over 6500 and with my sapphire x1950xt/512M .. ~8,000

with the EE@3.74 and the x1950p at stock is 9280

Cool, My card is going to Viper John if I ever get it back from RMA..
He has done 3 cards for me so far, and everyone has been a screamer..

The X850 I'm using now was modded by him..It did 600/650 no problem, but I had him remove the mods to put on my X1950..but alas the card died before it ever made it to the bench..

So hopefully I can break 10K..

 

[apoppin]

i *can't* believe it !

she will do 3.8Ghz !!!
:Q


my room was too hot for the original tests [80+F] ... CPU temps now runs in the high forties C at stock

ANYWAY, room is 75F and i tried again ... got 3.8Ghz at 224FSB 1:1 BUT failed to complete the *last* test of 3DMark05


i had the CPU up from 1.575 to 1.625v and the DDR voltage to 2.65 when my nerve *broke*


i just couldn't push it higher - with good conscience - as it dropped out of 3DMark05 at 62C ... i will try again on a cold day ... on a morning when the room is 60s-F

SO ... i would need a much nicer cooler and probably 1.65v to keep it *solid* IF i dared to run it that way ... RAM is OK for 1:1 at 2.65 ... certainly at 2.7v

the mhz are 'there' ...

:sun: ... i can "feel" it ... :moon:

if i get *that* and O/C my Sapphie, i will *easily* get over 10K




hmmm ... gives me an idea

:light:

let's open that OverDrive panel and see what she can do
:evil:

 

[Aeros]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: apoppin
how about this- http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/configu...p?ktcpartno=KHX3500AK2/1G&promo=hx2shp

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820144141

Kingston HyperX 1GB (2 x 512MB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 433 (PC 3500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $99.99

2.5-3-3-7 in 2x512MB should pair with my OCZ PC3500 2x256MB 2.5-3-3-7 perfectly for a total of 1.5GB ... for a hundred bucks plus tax and shipping [$5]

i can sell my Mushkin 2x256 when i sell my P4 2.80c and TT 480w PS


good deal? i think 1.5 GB should be enough till the real upgrade


==
and yeah, i'd upgrade from a Celeron if my MB supported it and the rest of the components including PS and RAM were OK ... CPU performance will double

damn, you guys are slow

now that my rig is *so quiet* - After THUGSROOK suggested i just remove my NB fan -i figured i'd reward myself with another upgrade
:Q

i ordered the RAM ... it'll be here fri
[--finally got the NewEgg 'preferred acct']


*hope* it works with my other resident RAM ... no reason it shouldn't [?]

speak now --or i have to buy another 1GB Kingston HyperX (2 x 512MB)
---then it becomes too expensive and i could have got the 'cool' stuff for a little more
:frown:

it seems games don't actually yet *require* 2GB ... but it appears they could use more than 1GB
i really want more than 1GB RAM without spending over $100 ... 1.5GB looks 'about right' for another year ...

not too hot or too cold ... not too big or two large ... 'just right'
-otherwise unbearable

i *think* i am done for now

letsee ... CPU ... HSF ... PS ... Video Card ... RAM ... MB improvement ... WS LCD ...

did i *miss* anything


after 3 years i guess i can afford to dump a little lovin on my rig
:heart:

:laugh:

each channel is it's own, so you should be able to run mismatched pairs as long as their same speed...

Gonna' have to wait on ram till i scrape some cash..Where do you guys sell your used stuff?

 

[Blurry]

apoppin..get a watercooler like i did
I'm waiting on my p4ee from geeks... i'll let you know how high I can o/c mine

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: Blurry
apoppin..get a watercooler like i did
I'm waiting on my p4ee from geeks... i'll let you know how high I can o/c mine

nope

i just don't want to overvolt it much

it *will do* 3.8Ghz at 1.65v and kick the temps up 20*C ... but it will also do 3.74G at *stock* 1.575v with completely normal temps compared to 3.4G


for me ... the extra +.25Ghz isn't "worth it"
[i am not "real" o/cer ... or just 'timid' to really stress my HW]

--but it IS nice to know it is capable


--and my 1GB RAM is scheduled for today ... gotta love NewEgg!
[going 'in' my case for the last time in awhile, i hope]

--i sell all my used HW on FS/T ... right here on ATF
:thumbsup:

looks for lots of 2.80/3.0/3.2c-s ... PressHots .... i better get moving
:Q


letsee i started upgrading with a Video Card ... then ... CPU ... HSF ... 850w PS ... ... MB improvement ... WS LCD ...
--now ... more RAM

did i *miss* anything ?


my wallet is hurtin'
:laugh:

let me know before they take my CCs away

 

[Lipservice]

I have an IC-7 with a 3.4E Prescott that runs 3.95 everyday. Skythe Infinity w/dual 120mm fans/2x512mb OC PC3700 gold/X850XTPE

Do you guys think this 3.4EE would even be worth the trouble to upgrade to? I do a lot of DVD encoding with it.

EDIT: Not much of a gamer anymore. I have 2 hunting games on there and they are not that new... well over 90fps. So a new vid card for that PC would be a waste.

 

[apoppin]

doubtful ... unless you also get a significant OC with your EE ... probably over 3.8G

otoh, if you are a gamer, an x1950p/xt will make the biggest single improvement ... with your really already-fast CPU
... video encoding ... i dunno

let other members weigh in

 

[Matt1970]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Stumps
Oh noes....it's the invasion of the Extreme Editions.....

what did i start? :Q



something *good* , i think



giving a bit more life to some aging and formerly dead dead-end systems
:thumbsup:

i know i was *thinking* of going the Core2Duo route when i *know* i really want to hold out for quad core ... now i can wait ... without "suffering".
:sun:
now watch these guys upgrade their video cards ...

going from a 6800GT or x800xl to x1950p will be a heck of a lot more substantial - in games [30-50%+] - than the CPU upgrade.

expect an invasion in Video
:shocked:


and they are welcome, of course

Na, I will hold off on a new Video card. I am already getting 120FPS in Counter Strike at 1280x1024 everything maxed. BTW, NewEgg saw the demand vs. availablity of those and raised thier price to $139

*EDIT* I just checked this morning and they are up to $149

 

[apoppin]

the geeks still have them for $119


http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=P43400F478&cat=CPU

i think NewEgg must be nearly out of stock ... i think an algorithm manages their pricing automatically when there is sudden demand

 

[crosshairs]

Well, here is where I am now.......I'm gonna let it stay there for a bit, then see how much more I can get.....

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/6624/36lg3.jpg
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/3713/memeq2.jpg

 

[apoppin]

well i am a DIMM-wit

i installed the Kingston 2x512 with the Mushkin 2x256 [it's a identical timing 'match' -better than the OCZ] and it was totally unstable ...

then i realized that i put the 512MB RAM in the 2nd slot

runs fine ... i ran 3DMark05 [accidentally at 221FSB instead of 222] but still got 9262 as opposed to 9280 with the higher OC ...

so the RAM is fine and no penalty whatsoever ... in fact the 256MB was double density also

you guys carry on ... i am off to PLAY stalker

 

[RebateMonger]

I ordered the P4 3.4GHz EE that Computergeeks.com was offering along with an Intel D865GLC motherboard (with Gateway BIOS), for $170. It seemed like a good way to upgrade my PC without changing my AGP video card or my PC3200 DDR memory. It looks like somebody (likely Gateway), has dumped a bunch of excess inventory onto the market over the past week or so.

However, I now believe I made a "mistake". I wish I'd purchased a new socket-775 motherboard and a Pentium D instead. Some of those available motherboards also have AGP slots and use DDR memory. So the side-benefit of using old components is the same.

The Pentium D is available in dual-core 2.8GHz configuration for about $90 at Newegg.com. And several name-brand motherboards are available for about the same price. That'd put the upgrade at about the same total price, and I'd get a Retail Intel chip with Intel HS/Fan and 3-year warranty. The 775 chip would be 64-bit capable and dual-core. Dual core is very likely more useful in real life than the HyperThreading of the P4 EE.

I haven't done extensive benchmarking, and I'm not doing any overclocking nowadays, but side-by-side tests with my 4-year-old Dell 400SC, with P4 2.8GHz HT processor, have me pretty convinced that this P4 3.4GHz EE is only a tiny bit faster. The Vista Windows Experience Index ratings of my Dell (2.8GHz P4) and my new 3.4GHz EE are virtually identical, as are the SiSoft Sandra memory and processor ratings. I imagine that overclocking would help (of course I can't overclock the new Intel motherboard), but overclocking has definite limits and heat consequences.

 

[apoppin]

i do agree that the EE upgrade is not so hot IF you also need a MB
it was *suggested* for people already with S478 CPU and MBs as a very cheap upgrade
personally, i'd for for A64 ... if i was going the 'dead-end' route ... changing the CPU and MB --although D is 'very nice' it didn't clock high enough

but i find it *very hard to believe* that you are NOT getting a substantial boost in performance over your 2.80c - even from office apps - although *seeing* the difference with Word is pretty hard to do

are you at 800FSB with decent PC3200? Your EE is at normal temps?

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: apoppin
i do agree that the EE upgrade is not so hot IF you also need a MB...

That's all I'm really suggesting. It was my mistake not to look harder at my options. I ordered my motherboard/CPU combo when I was in a hurry. I'd suddenly decided to build a new work PC, for Vista, and didn't want to buy any new RAM or video card right now.

My new CPU is running at 47C idle right now. That's about ten degrees C higher than I'm used to with P4 chips, but might be normal for a Prescott. I haven't checked it at high load. The CPU fan is speed-controlled by the Intel motherboard, and it's running at low speed, so I assume that it'd be spinning faster if the motherboard thought it was necessary. The fan speed control DOES work, since it runs at high speed momentarily at startup. The Intel D865GLC board that Computergeeks.com is offering has no built-in way to see the CPU temperature, so I'm using the latest SpeedFan software.

Also, I see that, despite Computergeek's specifications, the motherboard they shipped me has an Intel 100 Mbps NIC built in, and not the Intel Gigabit NIC that was advertised. Intel made them with either NIC.

The memory is high-end PC3200 memory, running at 800FSB.

Anyway, I'm not trying to convince anybody that the EE decision is "wrong" for them. I'm just suggesting that they might want to consider the Pentium D dual-core alternative if they are willing to change out the motherboard, but still want to use old DDR and AGP components. And going with a Socket 775 motherboard avoids any question of motherboard compatibility with that Prescott EE CPU.

 

[apoppin]

then you and i are 100% *agreed* after clarification



maybe you can return the MB
after all, it IS the *wrong* one

the EE is actually a NorthWood via the Xeon Server CPU- "Gallatin" - with the +2MB L3 cache ... not the hotter running less efficient Prescott ... it *should be* faster than your 2.80c [period]

47C is about right ... mine does ~ that with the all-copper mostly stock Prescott cooler
--up to 60C when it is OC'd - with added voltage and under max load.

 

[RebateMonger]

Originally posted by: apoppin
the EE is actually a NorthWood via the Xeon Server CPU- "Gallatin" - with the +2MB L3 cache ... not the hotter running less efficient Prescott ...

Yeah, I see I'm wrong about the "Prescott". The non-EE versions were Prescott. The EE version is Gallatin (according to this article).

I admit to never paying much attention to the EE chip, since its original $1000 price tag was a bit out of my league when the EE was released in 2004.

Just for yucks, here's my Vista Windows Experience Index ratings for my Dell 2.8GHz and my "new" Intel 3.4GHz EE motherboard/CPU combo. Both ratings were with the same Nvidia 6200 AGP video card:

CPU......................2.8GHz......3.4GHz EE

Processor:................4.2..........4.3
Memory:.....................2.9..........2.9
Graphics:...................2.3..........2.3
Gaming Graphics:...3.0..........3.0
Primary hard disk....4.9..........5.4

Upping the memory to 1GB affects the "Graphics" rating, but that's about it.

 

[jaredhill823]

ok, so i have an intel d865gbf bought the p4 3.4EE on intel's site it says it should work, but i turn it on, and anything plugged into the mobo wont work...updated bios, but maybe need to again?

 

[jaredhill823]

ok, so one thing i do see that may be causing me problems...my AA number is c25827-401, while on intel it says that you have to have c25827-405...am i screwed? or can i fix it

 

[RebateMonger]

Those AA numbers are hardware-version-related, and can't be updated by a simple BIOS update.

 

[jaredhill823]

yea, i kinda figured that, but is there anyway to get it to work with these AA numbers?

 

[classy]

I bought one. I didn't overclock it yet. I bought a half decent cooler, Zalman ALCU 7000, and with my side 120 mm fan on, I idle at a low 25c. The heatsink is like virtually silent. Not bad for $150 total upgrade. If I had known I could have bought one these 5 months ago for $100 I wouldn't have built a Core 2. I would have upgraded and waited till this summer after Barcelona. Oh well, but seems to running well in my P4P 800.

 

[Auric]

Err, the 3.4 Prescott is cooler. See the specs (TDP 89 vs 103W). Which is expected given the ginormous process and voltage requirements of the Gallatin. Prescott also sports more features such as SSE3 and halt modes (further contributing to lower idle power requirements). My 3.0E @ 3.6 idles @ 42C (after warmed up) with CNPS7000 AlCu @ 1548 RPM (92mm fan @ 10%). Ergo, it's cool 'n' quiet. Indeed it only runs 2C higher than the previous Northwood 2.4 @ 2.9 and isn't at risk of sudden death like that generation (which happened to mine despite default voltage -the Prescott is likewise oc'd @ default V).

The added cache should boost gaming by 10% over the equivalent Northwood or even Prescott but don't expect miracles -it's old tech and it's hot and it's still relatively expensive. So, I would still consider it more of a novelty rather than good value. Not to be a cheerleader for my crap, but a 3.0E is $68 so for gaming the extra $50 would be better spent on a faster viddy card if you don't already have the best as it would boost performance by significantly more.

That said, I'm still curious how it would measure up in other aspects such as de/encoding, particularly lacking SSE3.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: jaredhill823
yea, i kinda figured that, but is there anyway to get it to work with these AA numbers?

not if it is 'wrong' for your MB ... are you *sure* it is supported?
if so, the cpu *could be* DOA. ;O

and RebateMonger, i am not so sure about your "Benchmarks"

what does Sisoft's Sandra say?

and i'd say most of us are upgrading for gaming ... but i could be way wrong

but ... yeah, the MB upgrade was probably a mistake ... i would never recommend it as an upgrade path ... perhaps you can get your money back since it is not as advertised.


and Prescotts run hotter