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kage69

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Fox 3, good hit, Kitara on egress, requesting crowd of rejoicing sailors please and thank you...
 
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pmv

Lifer
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Keep looking, it will come.

Ah OK - now took a screen shot and flipped the image.

But in any case, even ignoring the upside-down scale, it could just show that once 'stand your ground' laws were introduced, fewer people were convicted of murder, because they successfully used it as a legal defense. While the number of people actually shot dead nevertheless increased.
 

dank69

Lifer
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Ah OK - now took a screen shot and flipped the image.

But in any case, even ignoring the upside-down scale, it could just show that once 'stand your ground' laws were introduced, fewer people were convicted of murder, because they successfully used it as a legal defense. While the number of people actually shot dead nevertheless increased.
It just shows that there should have been one more gun death: the person who made the graphic.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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That graph is confusingly labelled. Is it a graph of "gun deaths in Florida" or of "number of murders committed using firearms"? Those are two different things.
You did notice that it's upside down, right?
 

pmv

Lifer
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You did notice that it's upside down, right?

Not immediately, no.

As I said, what did occur to me is that the _murder_ rate could well go down (even as _gun deaths_ go up) after such a law, simply because it could mean people using it as a defence and so not being convicted of murder. I mean, the simplest way to reduce the gun murder rate is to make it legal to shoot people - the rate would then fall to zero.