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Pohemi

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....I mean, those folks are all "cute" to us because they are old and seen as no real threat to humans, but that's just because they're the little dogs with the very same attitude of the fucking oath keeper red pillers and little incel rittenhouess that are just readying themselves to fucking martyr their holy young bodies for the glory of Q.

the insurrection hasn't stopped. It's just getting stronger, really.
Yeah, cute and silly and harmless when there's one or two on camera being irrational and illogical lunatics.

We have to remember that there are 30 million or more of these assclown shitheels that think the same way and believe the same idiocy. It isn't cute at all.
 

pmv

Lifer
May 30, 2008
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Keep looking, it will come.
Ah OK - now took a screen shot and flipped the image.

But in any case, even ignoring the upside-down scale, it could just show that once 'stand your ground' laws were introduced, fewer people were convicted of murder, because they successfully used it as a legal defense. While the number of people actually shot dead nevertheless increased.
 

dank69

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Ah OK - now took a screen shot and flipped the image.

But in any case, even ignoring the upside-down scale, it could just show that once 'stand your ground' laws were introduced, fewer people were convicted of murder, because they successfully used it as a legal defense. While the number of people actually shot dead nevertheless increased.
It just shows that there should have been one more gun death: the person who made the graphic.
 

hal2kilo

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That graph is confusingly labelled. Is it a graph of "gun deaths in Florida" or of "number of murders committed using firearms"? Those are two different things.
You did notice that it's upside down, right?
 

pmv

Lifer
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You did notice that it's upside down, right?
Not immediately, no.

As I said, what did occur to me is that the _murder_ rate could well go down (even as _gun deaths_ go up) after such a law, simply because it could mean people using it as a defence and so not being convicted of murder. I mean, the simplest way to reduce the gun murder rate is to make it legal to shoot people - the rate would then fall to zero.
 

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