P&N has done nothing for Anandtech

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: raildogg
the problem I see is that majority of the people who post here are pacifist libbies here who always criticize Bush no matter what he does. the other thing is that we have only a few right wingers, but they are very vocal. thats the main problem here

Hmmm, you call those on the left 'pacifist libbies', and those on the right 'right wingers'. Could that be part of the problem?


If I were a scoundrel, I say something like this...
"IMO, it's people like you, who argue subjects that you're very ignorant on, and then refuse to acknowledge said ignorance, who are a big part of the problem." And then I'd supply a link, like this.

But then, I'm not a scoundrel, so I won't.


PS - Before anyone gets down on me for pissing in this somewhat constructive thread, I'll just say that it was raildogg who cast the first stone. (without anyone chastizing him, I might add)

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: raildogg
the problem I see is that majority of the people who post here are pacifist libbies here who always criticize Bush no matter what he does. the other thing is that we have only a few right wingers, but they are very vocal. thats the main problem here

Hmmm, you call those on the left 'pacifist libbies', and those on the right 'right wingers'. Could that be part of the problem?


If I were a scoundrel, I say something like this...
"IMO, it's people like you, who argue subjects that you're very ignorant on, and then refuse to acknowledge said ignorance, who are a big part of the problem." And then I'd supply a link, like this.

But then, I'm not a scoundrel, so I won't.


PS - Before anyone gets down on me for pissing in this somewhat constructive thread, I'll just say that it was raildogg who cast the first stone. (without anyone chastizing him, I might add)

I think there are other examples earlier in the thread, but yes, lets try to stick to the topic here instead of making this thread a flame-fest too. Some of use were ignoring the flaming.

CsG

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, I don't know what any forum has "done" for Anandtech outside of dedicated computer oriented ones. This is a commercial site which operates at the pleasure of the owner. The Management has seen fit to provide forums for our use at what I would think considerable cost. It's not a bad idea, because forums equal advertising at some level. That said, it's still not ours to run.

I have suggestions, but no one has seen fit to ask me, and why should they?

This is a particularly difficult time in American history, in some ways more divisive than any going back to the Civil War. To expect a forum frequented by people aware of the world situation and having strong opinions to not have confrontations is unrealistic.

As far as I am concerned I would rather see ire or praise directed to those responsible for the world condition and not attack each other. Both sides do this and we have become good at pushing each others buttons. I have occasionally transgressed, but I try to keep it a minimum.

I think the only useful moderation is self moderation. External pressure from moderators is only useful in removing people, not altering behavior.

If you can't control yourself, no one can.

How about people worrying about controlling themselves, and not worry about the other so much?

 

[Michael]

First, there are basic rules that are supposed to be followed. They're even posted in the topic description.

Second, this forum is full of posts on ideas and feelings that most people hold to be center to who they are. If you think that you'll get reasoned and calm debate in that type of situation, then you're crazy.

Third, if you have a problem with the "mods", please remember that there is more than one, each of whom has their own opinions and experiences and each will approach the job here differently. I'm not sure exactly what Shiner did to get a vacation, but the mods have never put up with direct call outs and attacks on their authority. The site admins have to support them there and they always get tough. The mods are all a bunch of volunteers. If the site and policy allowed for public attacks on the mods, Anandtech would have a hell of a time keeping any.

In general, this site is moderated better to a PG level than most sites on the internet. Personally, I think that P&N is hard to mod and, as such, a poorer job is done here, but unless they've found some saints to help, all that we can do is complain about the worst cases.

As for the OP, there have been lots of other posts similar to yours that basically have been ignored. Good luck.

Michael

 

[dmcowen674]

In the meantime I have noticed many P&N type threads started in Off Topic by RRR FLL posters.

Is that a covert move by the RRR FLL posters of P&N??? :disgust:

 

[biostud]

anybody heard of 3 strikes

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Michael
First, there are basic rules that are supposed to be followed. They're even posted in the topic description.

Second, this forum is full of posts on ideas and feelings that most people hold to be center to who they are. If you think that you'll get reasoned and calm debate in that type of situation, then you're crazy.

Third, if you have a problem with the "mods", please remember that there is more than one, each of whom has their own opinions and experiences and each will approach the job here differently. I'm not sure exactly what Shiner did to get a vacation, but the mods have never put up with direct call outs and attacks on their authority. The site admins have to support them there and they always get tough. The mods are all a bunch of volunteers. If the site and policy allowed for public attacks on the mods, Anandtech would have a hell of a time keeping any.

In general, this site is moderated better to a PG level than most sites on the internet. Personally, I think that P&N is hard to mod and, as such, a poorer job is done here, but unless they've found some saints to help, all that we can do is complain about the worst cases.

As for the OP, there have been lots of other posts similar to yours that basically have been ignored. Good luck.

Michael

Michael is another example of never personally att-acking. Would get my vote for RRR side Co-Forum Mod.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Gaard

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I have a humble suggestion: Since the mods that end up policing P&N only do it because they lost a bet with the other mods and owe them all $50 and hate every second of it, why don't they recruit some sensible volunteers from the current P&N crowd? I'm sure there are people around here who feel like they could do a 'fair and balanced' job.

Names some names because we have actually thought of that and those whom we came up with wouldn't want anything to do with this forum.

* raises hand *



Sorry, to Liberal!

...but he has the List. Should make things rather easy?

 

[Infohawk]

What's the list?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: raildogg
the problem I see is that majority of the people who post here are pacifist libbies here who always criticize Bush no matter what he does. the other thing is that we have only a few right wingers, but they are very vocal. thats the main problem here

And the first thing you know they would want to ban a volunteer mod for discrimintation. Things are fine they way they are. The less moderation the better. Let's not get too serious, it has to be fun also.

 

[sandorski]

I agree with the OP that this forum could be a much better place with some Rule Changes/Stricter enforcement. However, the purpose of P&N is very much the same as the Rule Enforcement in P&N. Basically both are just ways to solve problems that have gotten out of hand. From its' very concept P&N wasn't meant to expand the horizon of the AT Messageboards, it was to remove a certain Element from OT. That is the main reason P&N is so chaotic.

That said, I think a serious P&N Forum would implement stricter Rules and Enforcement. These Rules may be:

1) No Personal attacks.[period] A personal attack receives a Warning from a Mod(PM or Public statement in offending Post]. Personal means: against a fellow Poster. Calling Bush/Clinton" X " is not a Personal attack.

2) All Posts are to be On Topic, discussing the issue at hand. Off Topic posts are Deleted and/or receive Warnings from Mod depending on severity(could simply be a Comment to steer things back On Topic rather than an Official Warning)

3) Trolling/Baiting Threads/Posts are Deleted and receive Warnings

4) Repeated Warnings get a Ban[period, no discussion]

5) [optional] Limit number of NewThreads allowed per Poster per Day(or some period of time).

6) Non-P&N Mods by the P&N Mods Beer each day

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
What's the list?

Oh Dude, beware the List! :shocked:

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: sandorski
I agree with the OP that this forum could be a much better place with some Rule Changes/Stricter enforcement. However, the purpose of P&N is very much the same as the Rule Enforcement in P&N. Basically both are just ways to solve problems that have gotten out of hand. From its' very concept P&N wasn't meant to expand the horizon of the AT Messageboards, it was to remove a certain Element from OT. That is the main reason P&N is so chaotic.

That said, I think a serious P&N Forum would implement stricter Rules and Enforcement. These Rules may be:

1) No Personal attacks.[period] A personal attack receives a Warning from a Mod(PM or Public statement in offending Post]. Personal means: against a fellow Poster. Calling Bush/Clinton" X " is not a Personal attack.

2) All Posts are to be On Topic, discussing the issue at hand. Off Topic posts are Deleted and/or receive Warnings from Mod depending on severity(could simply be a Comment to steer things back On Topic rather than an Official Warning)

3) Trolling/Baiting Threads/Posts are Deleted and receive Warnings

4) Repeated Warnings get a Ban[period, no discussion]

5) [optional] Limit number of NewThreads allowed per Poster per Day(or some period of time).

6) Non-P&N Mods by the P&N Mods Beer each day

I prefer to have it moderated by paid people who have Anandtech interests in mind, not personal agendas.

 

[Gaard]

The mods are paid?

 

[BeauJangles]

Well guys, I was gone all day so I just got back and read through this thread.

I completely agree that what I posted is idealistic and probably unrealistic. However, the idea of stronger moderation, particularly against flamefests seems like a good place to start. I don't know what the mods have in plans - they mentioned maybe selecting people to volunteer - but I think it would make a good step in the right direction.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I don't know what the mods have in plans - they mentioned maybe selecting people to volunteer

They said that??? Maybe the planet really is flat afterall.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Danger ! Danger ! Will Robinson, Danger !

A threat of Democracy is attempting to break out on P & N.

It couldn't be as simple as, say . . . Shiites . . . Kurds . . . Sunni . . .

 

[Infohawk]

Ya know' the more I think of it the more it seems like the worst offense is people who just don't read prior posts. It seems like the more casual posters are especially guilty of this. At least the regulars try and find holes in each others posts.

 

[Martin]

Sorry, I don't think we need any new "demi-Mods". Sure, the place a little rough and its general slants vary from season to season (seriously, does anybody remember when the forum started? it was positively overrun with righties).

And many of you will scoff at this, but its probably more civil than OT. Over there, EVERONE plays the "I'm an internet badass" role to a ridiculous extent, you can hardly post without being called a dumbass or having some snide remark about your mother posted.

So don't worry about it mods, everything is peachy.

 

[Vic]

*Has not read thread*

I disagree with the OP. P&N has done a great deal for AT. It keeps those who post here out of the other forums, which IMO is sufficient.

 

[imported_Condor]

The really large issue with a bi-partisan committe is that once they brought something to the mods, the mods would feel obligated to act. The way it is now, I'm sure the mods see things posted that maybe should warrant action. They wait to see if anyone complains and when none do, they let it pass.

I come to Anandtech twice a day to look at hot deals, then I come to P&N for the entertainment. Many here would swear that I never read anything before I post, but I am guilty of reading almost every post in an interesting thread. I find it very enlightening to see how all sides think about a topic. I always stand on what I believe to be true, but love to read both sides. Letting a P&N regular MOD would be a disaster! It would be a constant work load for the MODs.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I have a humble suggestion: Since the mods that end up policing P&N only do it because they lost a bet with the other mods and owe them all $50 and hate every second of it, why don't they recruit some sensible volunteers from the current P&N crowd? I'm sure there are people around here who feel like they could do a 'fair and balanced' job.

Names some names because we have actually thought of that and those whom we came up with wouldn't want anything to do with this forum.

How about pick 4 people. Give them the right to warn. Make it a "bi-partisan" committee. Make them publicly known. Before a vacation can be issued, a vote must be taken. Tie-breakers are broken by an "official" AT Mod.

I like that idea because it seems sensible, however I'd be willing to bet that there is a need for quick and definitive responses and the commission idea might take too long before a response was metted out. I'd like to propose that since the current cry seems to be that the current enforcement is slanted too left, that the current mods recruit someone sensible from the right. Or at minimum a moderate, should one really exist around here...

I would name names but I don't want to do it in public.

My guess is that anyone who is moderate wouldn't be here.

 

[Tab]

I think its fine the way it is, I don't like it sometimes but it's not like I consistantly reply to flamebait posts such as Rip's.

 

[imported_Condor]

If this madness continues, I would suggest that there be a P&N only vacation or ban. It would be unfair to let someones overzealous response to a hot topic here affect their ability to enjoy the rest of the excellent forums on Anandtech. I say that because I recently had a member attempt to get me to persoanlly attack him. He even went to the point of suggesting that going to the MOD's was a cowardly and immature act. I could easily have been swayed to attack him in a posting. I went to a MOD instead and then he made remarks about that too. Water off a ducks asx, but those things happen in P&N and shouldn't affect the enjoyment of the rest of the site.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: raildogg
the problem I see is that majority of the people who post here are pacifist libbies here who always criticize Bush no matter what he does. the other thing is that we have only a few right wingers, but they are very vocal. thats the main problem here

We have to be very vocal, we are few!