P&N has done nothing for Anandtech

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: raildogg
the problem I see is that majority of the people who post here are pacifist libbies here who always criticize Bush no matter what he does. the other thing is that we have only a few right wingers, but they are very vocal. thats the main problem here

And the first thing you know they would want to ban a volunteer mod for discrimintation. Things are fine they way they are. The less moderation the better. Let's not get too serious, it has to be fun also.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
I figure their job is difficult enough without a bunch of back seat mod-wannabes second-guessing their every move. I'm sure the job has a few perks, but overall, I suspect it's a real pain in the butt, especially in P&N.

Indeed. I'm sure this place is a pain in the ass as it is for the mods to moderate, without everyone second guessing them or thinking their way of doing things is better.

Personally, I don't see any effective way of improving this place other than perhaps being more firm with the "No personal attacks" rule. Give everyone (And I do mean EVERYONE) who breaks it a 1 week vacation or something. As for repeat violators, who do it on a constant basis, perm ban their ass. Why this rule? Well, personal attacks is usually the reason a forum spins out of control in the first place. Rest of it just piles on afterwards making it even worse. But I personally believe this in the main source of the problems most forums face.

That said. I'm inclined to agree with some of the other members. There really is no need for more rules or extra mods(Unless the current mods feel their work load is to heavy). Just need to make sure the current rules are enforced correctly (Damn it, now I'm doing it).

Anyway, good luck moderating this place, mods. I know I sure as hell wouldn't want your jobs, even if I was paid to do it. Hell, I get shivers down my spine just thinking about what you poor things go through.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
I have a humble suggestion: Since the mods that end up policing P&N only do it because they lost a bet with the other mods and owe them all $50 and hate every second of it, why don't they recruit some sensible volunteers from the current P&N crowd? I'm sure there are people around here who feel like they could do a 'fair and balanced' job.

Names some names because we have actually thought of that and those whom we came up with wouldn't want anything to do with this forum.

How about pick 4 people. Give them the right to warn. Make it a "bi-partisan" committee. Make them publicly known. Before a vacation can be issued, a vote must be taken. Tie-breakers are broken by an "official" AT Mod.

I like that idea because it seems sensible, however I'd be willing to bet that there is a need for quick and definitive responses and the commission idea might take too long before a response was metted out. I'd like to propose that since the current cry seems to be that the current enforcement is slanted too left, that the current mods recruit someone sensible from the right. Or at minimum a moderate, should one really exist around here...

I would name names but I don't want to do it in public.

My guess is that anyone who is moderate wouldn't be here.

The only people who are moderate are the ones without opinions

Originally posted by: Condor
If this madness continues, I would suggest that there be a P&N only vacation or ban. It would be unfair to let someones overzealous response to a hot topic here affect their ability to enjoy the rest of the excellent forums on Anandtech. I say that because I recently had a member attempt to get me to persoanlly attack him. He even went to the point of suggesting that going to the MOD's was a cowardly and immature act. I could easily have been swayed to attack him in a posting. I went to a MOD instead and then he made remarks about that too. Water off a ducks asx, but those things happen in P&N and shouldn't affect the enjoyment of the rest of the site.

This is good too.

Anyway i feel that that there should be no permabans, except for the extreme stuff, such as threatening anothers life, pr something along those lines. Generally keep things how they are.

 

[daveshel]

Too bad I got in late on this thread - I accidentally woke up in Mexico this morning.

I agree wholeheartedly that we need better enforcement of personal attack rules here. I love the discussion and debate, but hate it when people attack people instead of going after their ideas.

Another bone I would like to pick is the posting of long articles with no analysis. I generally post the first few paragraphs of a news article and give a link to the source. This is more in keeping with the fair use doctrine, and although I don't recall copyright infringement ever being an issue here, it could arise. But more important, I don't want to have to read the entirety of every article to see that the gist of the post is. If there is some analysis, I can decide from that whether I want to read the whole thing.

I think an enforcement committee of some sort would be a great idea, and I would be more than willing to participate. I have no idea how the mods are chosen, scheduled, compensated or motivated toward neutrality, but it seems like a real big job to monitor evert thread.

I like it here. I have been here since the beginning. I thought P&N was a great enhancement - I'd rather have some serious discussions than play with the kids on OT. I have seen P&N shine, and I have seen it suck. I have seen intellectualism, I've seen dogmatism. I've seen and been part of some good discussions and I want to see some more, so I'm a volunteer for a plan to keep things good.

 

[Pliablemoose]

I've hung out at Fatwallet's Politically Incorrect forum a bit, they only moderate the spammers & bandwidth abusers, the filter catches bad language so it doesn't become a Fscked Company kind of forum.

Also, just a thought how about a sticky thread for posters to list if they didn't mind some flames, honestly some threads are thinly disguised flame bait & everyone works a way around the rules to make it one. Someone doesn't want flames, all they'd need to post is "Hey I'm not doing doing flames, I'm not in the sticky time out here."

There's nothing like a Red Dawn nihilist zing in a while.

(Disclaimer-the use of Red Dawn's name in this post if an example only, it is not meant as a slam, in fact I enjoy them (the zings), as long as they're directed at others & not my sorry ass)

I'd personally like it to be a requirement that profiles be enabled for all P&N posters, they shouldn't have to include emails, but it would be nice to at least see what part of the country (or country) they're from.

I also feel permabans should be given rarely in P&N, just a structured, legthing time out period, perhaps leading to a permaban if the behaviors continue, but it needs to be structured & formal, not arbitrary, and perhaps just a permaban from P&N, If someone got banned from P&N only & bitched about it on the other forums, they'd be shouted down as heretics pretty quickly.

We're talking about belief systems on the right & left, political & religeous and there needs to be more flexibility/tolerance. Not believing in god is still a belief system.

I don't think allowing a moderator to tie break is fair or unbiased, that's why this thread exists, their judgment is the issue now and why this thread exists, it would have been locked or deleted a few days ago

 

[StageLeft]

It's mostly a joke, and I come here to laugh at the stupids. Now, granted there is sometimes something beneficial to be gathered here, but it's simply a matter of time before one of the polar-bears come in and spew out their crap. I remember just leading up to the election two people in particular (we know who they were) who were basically in a nef-fight to see who could post the most articles against the other one's candidate. It was childish and counter-productive. Some people just run amok and fling political poo all over the place here. They aren't interested in the other side because they've already determined that their own stance is the right one, arguments be damned.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's mostly a joke, and I come here to laugh at the stupids. Now, granted there is sometimes something beneficial to be gathered here, but it's simply a matter of time before one of the polar-bears come in and spew out their crap. I remember just leading up to the election two people in particular (we know who they were) who were basically in a nef-fight to see who could post the most articles against the other one's candidate. It was childish and counter-productive. Some people just run amok and fling political poo all over the place here. They aren't interested in the other side because they've already determined that their own stance is the right one, arguments be damned.

Skoorb, one of my favorite P&N threads of all time was the Canadian flaming you that didn't know you were one