P-4 puts Thunderbird to shame !!!!!!!!!!!

[NOS440]

What's the point of argueing P-4/T-Bird today's apps don't need either CPU to run fine except some games and such. Then its still not neccesary LOL !! they need to make a PC AAA type program for us Cronic Upgraders LOL!

 

[cpars]

Now I am not interested in this P4 vs tbird pissing match but I saw the benchs that NOS was relating too so I decided to download 3dmark again and run benchmark. WTF my old athlon 1 gig had scores of 7493 and this 1.4 only gets scores in high 7800s with same videocard??:|:Q:|

 

[NOS440]

cpars Its pretty much easy to figure he had to cripple his system to get it to run at this speed stable it took 2 to 3 hours to post a successful run of 3Dmark . In doing so he just proved a point. The AMD zealots we do anything to prove me wrong even when they themselve dead wrong !!


I will just happily enjoy my rock stable and fast as anyone will need for quite sometime Pentium 4 !!

 

[cpars]

No I am talking about both systems are mine , not referring to anyone else. I am a speed:$ zealot myself I do not care if dewalt,makita,AMD,INTEL or bosch make the thing.

 

[NOS440]

cpars point taken no problem. I have to admit that I am a slight Intel Zealot but after seeing this clock speeds reached I am tempted to try a Thunderbird. My decision would sealed in stone if someone would come forward with a uncrippled Thunderbird clocked to this speed (1450mhz) and using a standard aftermarket cooler and his case closed without any ridiculous fan setups.

So there is my challenge to the AMD zealotry crowd. Give me proof And I will take the dive once more !!!!!


(defined proof is running major 3d apps without crippling there system. bring on the results !!)

 

[dougjnn]

NOS440 --

If you back your "demand" down a tad to 1400mhz, I'm pretty sure lots of T-Birds can get to that with good $30-40 air hsf combos, nothing exotic.

Over 1400 starts to be the thin leading edge, from what I can tell. 1400 for a 1200 Tbird is about like getting any PIII under 1ghz to run at 1050. A lot can. Many can't. MOre than that is pretty tough, but has been done.

Ain't been there myself. Yet.

 

[cpars]

Oh i have some old sisoft benchs up if you want to take a look, never got around to tweaking the memory bench though. but this is just a plain old tbird with fop 32 nothing extravagant.

http://www.ccbuilds.com/benchs/benchmark.htm

 

[dougjnn]

Pretty fine!

My ambition is to run at 10 x 140fsb = 1400 rock stable in an Abit K7a raid mobo. With a Taisol 74209 & YTech fan. (The fast FSB helps the benches a lot from what I've read in Anand and Tom's.)

Where oh where to buy the cpu? Are my chances as good with a 1.0 or 1.1 ghz as a 1.2ghz do you think (big price difference)? Or not?

 

[vfrjim]

At this time, a P4 is a waste of $$$$, nothing is optimized for it and future P4's might be a CPU to look at, but for pure performance, a 'nicely tuned' Tbird 1.2 and G2Ultra or wait for NV20 is the biggest bang for the buck and you can show me your #'s all day and waste this boards space, but when it comes down to it, it is not impressive, spending all that money for a technology that will be gone in 4 months, if you said it was a $300 chip and a $150 MB, I would go buy one( and most of us would), but it isn't, so what I say to you is to enjoy your Kick-A$$ system NOS, and thanks for confirming what I thought about intel's future.(IMHO)

Jim

 

[dougjnn]

NOS --

Haven't you made it to Golden Member YET???

Isn't that the subtext of this holy war you started? :Q

Wait a minute. ONE MORE POST!!!

Come on NOS, drive it HOME!

What are you doing, waiting to gather all your friends for the big event???

 

[NOS440]

Now I am thanks LOL!!!!!!!

 

[NOS440]

cpars Although your sisoft looks great to me. I am looking for 3D benchmarks that will stress your system to prove complete stability at 1428 mhz or above. Someone must have something like this???

 

[cpars]

I already posted the the 3d mark 2000 to which I was not happy about considering, but the system is very stable and plays UT assault just along as I can stand getting my @ss kicked by those 6 year olds:Q

 

[NOS440]

I guess I missed the screen or link to your 3Dmark score so enlighten me with it please.

Also if you had a P-4 those 6 yrs olds would be toast trust me !!!!!

 

[AdamK47]

I will be receiving my KT133A board tomorrow. I doubt very much that people running an Athlon 1.2GHz at 1.45+GHz are fully stable. I would be very content with running my CPU at 1.26GHz or 1.33GHz knowing that every thing is super stable. I'm even running my GeForce 2 Ultra with AGP 4X with both sidebanding and fast writes enabled. The KT133 and KT133As are very solid boards. That?s why I made the switch from a P3 650 overclocked to 1021MHz on an i815 board to what I have now. Plus, I can run with more than 128MB of RAM. The i815 has some problems with multiple DIMMs used at high speeds. I'm rambling on now though. If I make it to 1.4GHz with this CPU and a KT133A board, then the more power to me. I'm not going to set my sights as high as some of you evidently did. Stability takes precedence over speed. You guys with unstable overclocked Athlons should take a frying pan to the head and get some sense knocked in.

 

[NOS440]

Thanks AdamK47-3DS that sounds good to me. Now I hope you don't get slammed for it

 

[AdamK47]

Oh, I probably will.

 

[dougjnn]

Adamk47--

Oh I agree, stability comes first.

I'll be happy with anything above 1250. 1300 would be super. 1400 is my fondest possible dream. But I don't expect it.

Also, its important to run at 133fsb or a tad more.

Which KT133A did you get, and from where? Where did you get your 1.2ghz Athlon from? Do you think those sold at 1.2 are likely to run sig. higher overclocked than those sold at 1.0 and 1.1? Or is it about the same if its a Dresden blue core?

 

[NOS440]

So is your 1.2 unlocked and where do you get it ??? Also where did you pickup the KT133A board from and what did it set you back ?? and is it raid

Thanks for your help I think I'm going to get one just so I can be more objective around here

 

[AdamK47]

The 1.2GHz Athlon I got last week is unlocked like most 1.2GHz chips are. I got it from a local shop that requested it from a distributor for me, so this chip is very new. I'm not sure what week it is though, since I don't know how to decipher the markings on the core (or bothered to look up the codes). The motherboard I preordered from the same place is an Asus A7V133.

I forgot to update my system rig profile to reflect the correct stock speed of my chip. It's a 1.2GHz, not the 1GHz that was listed there. The 1GHz is the one I had before this one.

 

[vfrjim]

Adam, where did you get your chip, ordering mine on Monday,

Thanks!

 

[cpars]

AdamK47 - 3DS

Not sure who you are talking to, so I wont take it I should get out the frying pan. Since I have never said my system is unstable guess I should disregard you all together. But anyway this is the overclocking forum I thought.Oh nos I never posted a screen shot just the fact that i thought it should be higher than 7800, so i bumped it up a notch and took ya a screen capt.


click here

but like I said nothing spectacular but no lockups so far. and as far as the whoopin up on UT has nothing to do with the processor unless your way behind, all about skill! Edit: childish comment removed:Q

 

[AdamK47]

vfrjim,
It's from a place in Grand Rapids, MI. You probably never heard of it. This is the place I get most of my stuff from. They may not have the lowests prices, but they can get anything I want within a day or two.

cpars,
I was directing that comment on anyone claiming to have a 1.45+GHz Athlon system without substantial proof of stability.

 

[NOS440]

AdamK47-3DS are you a Michigander like me ??

 

[NOS440]

This is a Quote from a fellow member of the forums that I just recieved in a PM I thought it sums things up pretty good. But he's a Intel Zealot Also.


"LOL, well he wont get any arguement from me on negative feedback on AMD, hot running, sluggish, hard drive corrupting, unstable as hell VIA chipset running trash... IMHO.."