overall not impressed going from gtx260 to gtx470

[Duvie]

I've benchmarked a GTX285 against a GTX470 in 36 games, and in many cases I found the GTX470 to be the same speed or slower than the GTX285.

With Far Cry 2 I got a big performance gain, but Stalker Clear Sky and Crysis weren’t any faster. Also Cryostasis didn’t appear to be any faster either.

I have an i5 750 so it’s not a CPU issue; there are clearly driver issues holding back the GTX470’s performance at this time.

Exactly...notice the huge boost in games and benchmarks by just using the new beta 256's (could be 257's)

I saw a 3k jump in 3dmark with no other changes...It also changed the phyx tab in the control panel.

My GTX470 has been folding for the last day and with an OC mild (so far) 652/1304/1700 I only top out at 77c with 64% fan. Anything below 70% I dont hear over the 230mm fans in my Coolermaster

I can tell you the Folding jump is near 3-4k ppd.

 

[SlowSpyder]

future proof is an urban legend...
Want to know the most future proof hardware ever? its hardware... built in the future!

here is how I future proof my computer... first, I get a budget, say 500$ to "future proof" my computer...
then I go to the bank, and I deposit that money...

When the future arrives and I find an actual need for higher end hardware, I got out and use the "future proof money" to buy hardware capable of utilizing it...

I guarantee you that when the next generation of games arrive and all employ quality DX11 and require a DX11 video card with lots of power I could go out and use my "future proof money" to buy a better card than the GTX480 for less money.
It will also have less issues, better compatibility, better support, etc etc etc.

I don't disagree at all. But, since he has both I figured I'd mention it as a pro of the GTX470. I think it's safe to say that games 12 months from now will have a better playing experience on the DX11 capable GTX470 than the weaker DX10 GTX260. But, as you said, it would probably be better yet to put that $330 away and see what is for sale 12 months from now for an even better experience.

 

[zerocool84]

Not want to sound cocky, but how can you infer that those gains were due to the extra 2 cores when the Q9550 is 30% clocked higher and has 12 MB L2$ opposed to 2MB L2$?

If you had gone from a E8x00 @3.4 to a Q9x50 @3.4 and saw those gain would be something else.

Because the clock jump is so small it wouldn't even be noticeable. I bought it for games that make use of quads like RTS's, Dragon Age, GTA4, and Bad Company 2. The important part is games that make use of it and that's why it was noticeable. Even at stock speeds there was a noticeable difference.

 

[Duvie]

To the author of this thread...

It is clear you dont do your research before you purchase a product. You dont think about your intended game use, intended resolutions and settings, and then look at the appropriate chart to show those results....

If you are gong to run low AA and resolutions of 1680 or less you wont see much difference or within the neglible "feel the difference" range. I am not saying you do, but lower res AS SHOWN AND STATED AMPLE times in the reviews show the prowess of these cards are at HIGHER RESOLUTION. So dont blame the card you are not smart enough to do your research.

However if you run 1920x1200 like me at high quality then the difference IN MOST ALL the revews I have read for MOST ALL the modern games you would have to be blind not to see or feel the difference.

So obviously run at lower res and you will be cpu limited.....Run higher res and the ram size and more cores will push the gap to huge leads...

 

[toyota]

To the author of this thread...

It is clear you dont do your research before you purchase a product. You dont think about your intended game use, intended resolutions and settings, and then look at the appropriate chart to show those results....

If you are gong to run low AA and resolutions of 1680 or less you wont see much difference or within the neglible "feel the difference" range. I am not saying you do, but lower res AS SHOWN AND STATED AMPLE times in the reviews show the prowess of these cards are at HIGHER RESOLUTION. So dont blame the card you are not smart enough to do your research.

However if you run 1920x1200 like me at high quality then the difference IN MOST ALL the revews I have read for MOST ALL the modern games you would have to be blind not to see or feel the difference.

So obviously run at lower res and you will be cpu limited.....Run higher res and the ram size and more cores will push the gap to huge leads...

thank you for your condescending and somewhat smartass remarks. now that you have made yourself feel better move along.

 

[Duvie]

you dont own this place!!! I will stay as long as I like....

All the reviews to check out are obviously the GTX 465 ones since most have reran the 470's with the newer drivers and show in most games I checked HUGE margins...

the 260 still looks like a great card...I usually dont upgrade until I am a few generations behind...then I never have buyers remorse

 

[taltamir]

you dont own this place!!! I will stay as long as I like....

wow, just wow. You come and crap all over someone with condescending remarks and when you are told to "thank you for being condescending, now move along" as a RETORT (talk about a mild and well mannered retort) you reply with "you don't own this place!!!"... of course he doesn't own the place, he was making a mild mannered retort to a rude post; if he "owned this place" (aka, a super moderator) you might have been banned, depending on how forgiving he felt.

 

[Duvie]

wow, just wow. You come and crap all over someone with condescending remarks and when you are told to "thank you for being condescending, now move along" as a RETORT (talk about a mild and well mannered retort) you reply with "you don't own this place!!!"... of course he doesn't own the place, he was making a mild mannered retort to a rude post; if he "owned this place" (aka, a super moderator) you might have been banned, depending on how forgiving he felt.

Well fortunately for me I have been around long enough to know a bunch of the mods and this is hardly to the level that gets a ban. The video forums were the wild west only a few years back.

I hardly crapped over anyones thread. If you rant and rave about something and try to tie it to the fact you think a product is not worthy then you should have read the reviews and done some research. PLus you should be able to take the criticism. Otherwise he can go blog about it somewhere else and doesn't have to worry about the responses....

As for the response....In a forum such as this you post a thread you do not have the authority to pick and choose who you want to comment. It is the nature of the forum. This wasn't like a for sale thread where I post the price someone else is selling something, or a retailer, or bitch about a price. He made comments that I and others disagreed with and I stated had he done the research with clearly ample amount of evidence out there he wouldn't be in this suituation.....

 

[taltamir]

I hardly crapped over anyones thread.

I said crapped on HIM, not on his THREAD.

 

[yh125d]

Man you're like way CPU limited *snark*

 

[happy medium]

Man you're like way CPU limited *snark*

low blow ,bro

 

[luv2increase]

well I replaced the old 192sp gtx260 with a gtx470 and was really expecting more. I am playing at 1920x1080 so I should see some big gains right? well not so much but first I want to go over some non gaming impressions.

now my old 65nm gtx260 had a tdp of 182 watts and the gtx470 has a tdp of 215 watts. there is no doubt that Nvidia is flat out lying or changed what they call tdp and reviews easly show this. as for me while using furmark the gtx470 uses OVER 100 watts MORE than the gtx260 which is insane for a card with a claimed 30 watt tdp difference from the same card maker.

as for noise yes the card is insanely loud during furmark but during actually gaming the fan does not ramp up that high. thank goodness because I would stick it right back in the box if it did. as for temps it will hit 94 during furmark but during games 85-90 seems to be the norm. at idle its quiet and fairly cool though.



now as for games this thing is hit or miss. some of it is probably due to my E8500 even though at 3.8 I was not really expecting too much cpu limitation.

Far Cry 2 only improved by FOUR fps at 1920 very high setting and 2x AA. on top of that the minimum is EXACTLY the same as when using my gtx260. so much for a 3.8 Core 2 Duo not limiting me in this game.

Avatar demo has a little higher average framerate but the minimums are almost exactly where they were with my gtx260. it uses the same engine as Far Cry 2 so that makes sense.

Bad Company 2 is actually SLOWER on the gtx470 because I guess DX11 is more demanding even though the settings are the same. turning down settings doesnt really help either so I guess I need to force DX10 if there is a way.

Cryostasis was one game that I was expecting a large improvement in but that didnt happen. framerates are only 3-5 higher on average and it still dips into the teens even though I am not even using advanced physx settings at all.

Batman AA is certainly smoother while using very high phsyx even though it was acceptable doing so even on the gtx260. framerates are up about 15 or so which means basically no more slow downs while using physx.

STALKER Clear Sky received a nice fps boost but still isnt where I would like to be. its still too sluggish at times and I dont even have everything maxed.

Just Cause 2 improved quite a bit but again I was expecting more in the benchmark. framerates went from 43 to 63 at the exact same max settings 4x AA with Bokeh filter and advanced water off.

Red Faction Guerrilla went up about 7-9 fps but the minimums were still exactly the same as with the gtx260.

Crysis is now playable on DX10 very high settings but its really only about 6-8 fps then I was getting on the gtx260.




all those tests were done with the gtx470 overclocked to 703/1405/3624 too so theres not really much left in that gpu. I sure thought going from 192sp to 448sp would be a much bigger improvement but sad to say its not.

if I had bought the card locally I would just return it but I am sure newegg will charge a restocking fee if I did that. I guess I just dont feel that I spent $329 very wisely.

You are the perfect example of why people should not listen to newbies who are giving their impressions on computer hardware.

You are here with a bottlenecked GPU yet are blaming the GPU itself for your lack of performance.

If you run the 470 with an i7 and not a C2D, C2Q or i5, you'll see some very nice gains. It isn't to just not bottleneck the GPU but also because the games you are playing really take advantage of multi-threaded CPUs!!

Your thread is truly that of an ignorant newbie. I'm sorry to let you know that. When your performance didn't go up any when you put higher and higher OCs on the 470, that should have been a sign. :thumbsdown:

 

[yh125d]

You are the perfect example of why people should not listen to newbies who are giving their impressions on computer hardware.

You are here with a bottlenecked GPU yet are blaming the GPU itself for your lack of performance.

If you run the 470 with an i7 and not a C2D, C2Q or i5, you'll see some very nice gains. It isn't to just not bottleneck the GPU but also because the games you are playing really take advantage of multi-threaded CPUs!!

Your thread is truly that of an ignorant newbie. I'm sorry to let you know that. When your performance didn't go up any when you put higher and higher OCs on the 470, that should have been a sign. :thumbsdown:

Ignorant newbie? Says the 14 post count new guy



Troll moar

 

[luv2increase]

Ignorant newbie? Says the 14 post count new guy



Troll moar

Focus on the content of my post. Post count has nothing to do with computer literacy. I don't post much on these forums. You can find me @ EVGA FTW

btw, my post count is higher than 14 there if that makes you feel better. Will you bake me a cookie now? lol


EDIT: The fact is that everything I had written is 100% accurate. That is far from being a troll there bud...

 

[happy medium]

You are the perfect example of why people should not listen to newbies who are giving their impressions on computer hardware.

You are here with a bottlenecked GPU yet are blaming the GPU itself for your lack of performance.

If you run the 470 with an i7 and not a C2D, C2Q or i5, you'll see some very nice gains. It isn't to just not bottleneck the GPU but also because the games you are playing really take advantage of multi-threaded CPUs!!

Your thread is truly that of an ignorant newbie. I'm sorry to let you know that. When your performance didn't go up any when you put higher and higher OCs on the 470, that should have been a sign. :thumbsdown:

I said this back at post #29 but I got the business for it.

 

[jvroig]

Ignorant newbie? Says the 14 post count new guy

Since when did a low post count make somebody an ignorant newbie? For the sake of example, was Idontcare an ignorant newbie when he had <100 posts, then became awesome when his post count (through sheer posting determination) reached 1K+?

Also, luv2increase pointed out (in not so kind words, agreed) that Toyota was CPU limited but seemed to be blaming the card unfairly... I don't see trolling there.

In fact, while I wouldn't have used such harsh words myself, I am a bit baffled by the turn of events in this thread. First, Toyota is disappointed at the card, but then seems to eventually blame his CPU as the thread went on, thereby seemingly relegating the "blame" to his CPU and acknowledging being CPU limited (despite some protestations on BFG10K's part), even though in his OP it seems he was content at just being disappointed at the 470 (despite being CPU-limited). As far as I can objectively see, luv2increase, though he jumped in very rude like and hostile, made a valid point, and deserves a valid rebuttal, not just "troll moar".

 

[toyota]

You are the perfect example of why people should not listen to newbies who are giving their impressions on computer hardware.

You are here with a bottlenecked GPU yet are blaming the GPU itself for your lack of performance.

If you run the 470 with an i7 and not a C2D, C2Q or i5, you'll see some very nice gains. It isn't to just not bottleneck the GPU but also because the games you are playing really take advantage of multi-threaded CPUs!!

Your thread is truly that of an ignorant newbie. I'm sorry to let you know that. When your performance didn't go up any when you put higher and higher OCs on the 470, that should have been a sign. :thumbsdown:

thanks for your ridiculous comments and acting like an asshole. you obviously dont know me at all or maybe you just have your head shoved up your own ass. I talk about the cpu being an issue continuously on this forum so yes I am well aware that in some of those games I am cpu limited. there was more to my thread then just saying I was not happy in the games that I am cpu limited in. I didnt really mention cpu bottleneck in my OP because every time I do someone like BFG10K claims otherwise. this time I just let the numbers and comments for my experience speak for themselves. so if anything its pretty obvious that you are the ignorant newbie and not me.

btw just to show how clueless you are the i5 quad would have provided everything an i7 would have clock for clock while using a gtx470.

 

[yh125d]

Focus on the content of my post. Post count has nothing to do with computer literacy. I don't post much on these forums. You can find me @ EVGA FTW

btw, my post count is higher than 14 there if that makes you feel better. Will you bake me a cookie now? lol


EDIT: The fact is that everything I had written is 100&#37; accurate. That is far from being a troll there bud...

When you surround a bunch of accurate information with condescension and derision, it makes it a troll post


And it was misleading information anyway. You don't need an i7 to keep from being CPU bottlenecked, C2Q and i5 quad are both plenty enough processor for any GPU setup, when above 3.5. i7 Not necessarily needed

 

[toyota]

Since when did a low post count make somebody an ignorant newbie? For the sake of example, was Idontcare an ignorant newbie when he had <100 posts, then became awesome when his post count (through sheer posting determination) reached 1K+?

Also, luv2increase pointed out (in not so kind words, agreed) that Toyota was CPU limited but seemed to be blaming the card unfairly... I don't see trolling there.

In fact, while I wouldn't have used such harsh words myself, I am a bit baffled by the turn of events in this thread. First, Toyota is disappointed at the card, but then seems to eventually blame his CPU as the thread went on, thereby seemingly relegating the "blame" to his CPU and acknowledging being CPU limited (despite some protestations on BFG10K's part), even though in his OP it seems he was content at just being disappointed at the 470 (despite being CPU-limited). As far as I can objectively see, luv2increase, though he jumped in very rude like and hostile, made a valid point, and deserves a valid rebuttal, not just "troll moar".

I wasnt really blaming the card in all cases. I was giving MY EXPERIENCE with using the card and its relative differences from my gtx260 and thats all. I was planning on doing a cpu upgrade soon anyway and if you know me I am the FIRST person on here to point out a cpu bottleneck.

 

[jvroig]

I was planning on doing a cpu upgrade soon anyway and if you know me I am the FIRST person on here to point out a cpu bottleneck.

I have noticed your inclination to passionately participate in threads veering towards (or directly about) CPU bottlenecked games/gaming scenarios. It made your OP a bit more confusing for me. However, your explanation of not wanting members such as BGF10K to jump on you again, hence leaving out "cpu limited" in your OP, does clarify it a lot.

 

[luv2increase]

thanks for your ridiculous comments and acting like an asshole. you obviously dont know me at all or maybe you just have your head shoved up your own ass. I talk about the cpu being an issue continuously on this forum so yes I am well aware that in some of those games I am cpu limited. there was more to my thread then just saying I was not happy in the games that I am cpu limited in. I didnt really mention cpu bottleneck in my OP because every time I do someone like BFG10K claims otherwise. this time I just let the numbers and comments for my experience speak for themselves. so if anything its pretty obvious that you are the ignorant newbie and not me.

btw just to show how clueless you are the i5 quad would have provided everything an i7 would have clock for clock while using a gtx470.

Then why on earth do you not edit your opening post to reflect this? You are most likely steering more people than you realize away from a GTX470 purchase due to your initial ignorance and now due to your lack of setting everything straight in your first post.

What is your reasoning from leaving your OP in its current state? Do you think that every person who opens this thread is going to read through every single page to know that you had come to the realization that you have a CPU bottleneck which was alluded to you by other members?

Since you didn't change your opening post, you are intentionally misleading non-members/members about the true performance of the GTX470.

Epic fail on your point, unfortunately.

 

[toyota]

Then why on earth do you not edit your opening post to reflect this? You are most likely steering more people than you realize away from a GTX470 purchase due to your initial ignorance and now due to your lack of setting everything straight in your first post.

What is your reasoning from leaving your OP in its current state? Do you think that every person who opens this thread is going to read through every single page to know that you had come to the realization that you have a CPU bottleneck which was alluded to you by other members?

Since you didn't change your opening post, you are intentionally misleading non-members/members about the true performance of the GTX470.

Epic fail on your point, unfortunately.

the failure is on your part for only taking part of the OP out of context. you simply read what you wanted to and made the asinine decision to try and insult me and claim that I was ignorant.

tbh some of those games that I listed would have no increase with a faster cpu and some would but there is more to the thread then that anyway. I also talked about heat, noise and power consumptions in relation to my previous card. this was about a real person, with an average pc, experience upgrading from a gtx260 to a gtx470. there are plenty of people on this forum with even worse comps that could likely end up getting something like a 470 or so. I figured some people might be interested in seeing results for an upgrade to a pc that doesnt have an overclocked I7 and sit on an open bench.

perhaps instead of just popping in a thread every few months and acting like an asshole you should read through one before commenting.

 

[taltamir]

Since you didn't change your opening post, you are intentionally misleading non-members/members about the true performance of the GTX470.

Where and how does toyota mislead people intentionally?

@ toyota: did you actually ever specify that this is an nVidia only thing? because I didn't notice you saying so...
All I got from reading the OP is that your core core2duo isn't enough to see a benefit from going to a current gen GPU... I would imagine that that would have been the case whether you went to the GTX470 or the HD5850.
Oh, and that the GTX470 is really loud and really noisy and really power hungry... but that we already knew

 

[luv2increase]

the failure is on your part for only taking part of the OP out of context. you simply read what you wanted to and made the asinine decision to try and insult me and claim that I was ignorant.

tbh some of those games that I listed would have no increase with a faster cpu and some would but there is more to the thread then that anyway. I also talked about heat, noise and power consumptions in relation to my previous card. this was about a real person, with an average pc, experience upgrading from a gtx260 to a gtx470. there are plenty of people on this forum with even worse comps that could likely end up getting something like a 470 or so. I figured some people might be interested in seeing results for an upgrade to a pc that doesnt have an overclocked I7 and sit on an open bench.

perhaps instead of just popping in a thread every few months and acting like an asshole you should read through one before commenting.

I see people complaining about poor performance all the time. 9 times out of 10 though it is because they have a severe weak link in their setup. Your case is no different. I would have expected for someone with as many posts as you and who has been a member here as long as you have would have known this. This is what confuses me the most.

Sera sera... What will be will be..


EDIT: Let me guess; you probably used the drivers that came with the card too huh? Noobss...

 

[toyota]

Where and how does toyota mislead people intentionally?

@ toyota: did you actually ever specify that this is an nVidia only thing? because I didn't notice you saying so...
All I got from reading the OP is that your core core2duo isn't enough to see a benefit from going to a current gen GPU... I would imagine that that would have been the case whether you went to the GTX470 or the HD5850.
Oh, and that the GTX470 is really loud and really noisy and really power hungry... but that we already knew

yes I am sure the same performance results would have occurred with a 5850. surely you didnt think I started this thread to bash Nvidia? if anything I really gave the card a chance because I prefer to use Nvidia. the card is going back because of the noise,heat and power consumption. yes I knew ahead of time that it could be an issue and I could accept the extra power. its the noise and heat that did it for me. I do not enjoy having to crank the case fans up just to help tame a video card when I play a game.

when I do upgrade my cpu later I will see whats available at that time.