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Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: Runner20
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Runner20
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
HMMM, wonder how EVERY show on Fox beats EVERY show on CNN and MSNBC, in ratings I mean.

Well, they're referring to Fox News not the regular Fox channel, but I think that's what you mean. But anyway, I'll tell you why. Neocons go to "safe" news sources for them to digest their daily dose of brainwashing. That's why they flock to Rush, Hannity, Savage and Coulter. Of course they're successful, they cater to the drones.

Oh and another thing, if your a conservative news channel, fine, but don't try to advertise yourself as "far and balance" or "we report, you decide". Frankly, it's a 24-hour a day editorial, nothing more. Take all the talking parrots away from the friendly grounds of Fox News and they wilt like a dead flower, e.g. Swift Boat Idiots for Lying.

Fox News is fair and balanced. Usually 2 guests from 2 different view points are on.


Well, let's examine the flagship of the Fox News channel, O'Reilly. He usually puts up sacrificial lambs to the slaughter to represent the left. These folks are not public speakers, usually, and look foolish because O'Reilly bullies and manipulates the conversation with ease.

OK, O'reilly is one show. Name me others. I agree with u on o'reilly, but Fox News is much more than that

Hannity.... Colmes is a puppet. I actually feel sorry for the guy.
 

GrGr

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FOX is not "journalism" or "journalism" only insomuch as Pravda was "journalism" back in the Soviet days. FOX is a propaganda tool. Without a media free of outside influences there can be no functioning democracy. A free media, critical of those in power, is one of the most important aspects of a healthy democracy.

Norman Mailer is right when he says that the US is in a pre-fascist phase right now.
 

thuper

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The movie's point isn't that Fox is conservatively biased, they are REPUBLICAN. What they do is constantly switch between conservatism and neo-con'ism one day to the next, following party lines not ideological lines.



Originally posted by: Runner20

Fox News is fair and balanced. Usually 2 guests from 2 different view points are on.

Yeah, like how Hannity and Colmes is set up with the all-American, imposing and loud Sean Hannity vs. the weasely-looking, kind of soft-spoken, subserviant Alan Colmes. Or how their guests who are always a well-known conservative pundent vs. a "who is that" liberal.
 

jjzelinski

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O'Reilly is an accomplished comedian! You know he won the coveted Peabody award for his work on a TV tabloid! Well, actually, the tabloid won it after he left so I guess he had very little to do with it. And it ummm.... wasn't a Peabody. They won a Polk award. But seriously, his style and grace are unparalelled. Just don't call him splotchy!
 

Runner20

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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
O'Reilly an accomplished comedian! You know he won the coveted Peabody award for his work on a TV tabloid! Well, actually, the tabloid won it after he left so I guess he had very little to do with it. And it ummm.... wasn't a Peabody. They won a Polk award. But seriously, his style and grace. Just don't call him splotchy!

Forget Fox News for a second, a conservative that I cant stand is Ann Coulter.

She has some of the dumbest things to say and is really annoying. She is really full of hate, and not a good thing for the conservative movement.
 

Moonbeam

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Fox News is very balanced in that they report both sides of the story. The problem arises in that they report only one side favorably. I have been watching it daily now for several weeks many many hours a day. The amount of manipulation of point of view is massive. Just as one example in an interview of first a Republican and then a Democratic economist each was asked a series of questions, some of them challenging. I should say that one was challenging to the Republican and many were for the democrat who was also informed that it was the job of party economists to slant their opinions in favor of their party, and who after constant interruption, when asked why he said something or other answered that he wasn't being allowed to say anything at all. It was really quite amusing. It would be best, I think, for the gigantic Washington egos on the left simply to refuse to appear on that channel, but it won't happen. Attention, even negative attention, is better for the ego than none.
 

Phokus

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Originally posted by: Runner20
Originally posted by: jjzelinski
O'Reilly an accomplished comedian! You know he won the coveted Peabody award for his work on a TV tabloid! Well, actually, the tabloid won it after he left so I guess he had very little to do with it. And it ummm.... wasn't a Peabody. They won a Polk award. But seriously, his style and grace. Just don't call him splotchy!

Forget Fox News for a second, a conservative that I cant stand is Ann Coulter.

She has some of the dumbest things to say and is really annoying. She is really full of hate, and not a good thing for the conservative movement.

Yet she's incredibly popular. Makes you think, doesn' it?
 

DealMonkey

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While FNC certainly has its share of issues with bias, ALL major media is now owned by a handful of multi-national corporations. That's what really has me worried.
 

Genx87

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Not seeing the movie I am relying on what others have said about it.

The so called fox editors never actually worked for Fox News. And they use alot of Sean Hannity quotes to validte their stance.

That is like using James Carville quotes and saying CNN is Ultra liberal.

Come on, do we really need to support such poor journalistic ethics??
 

myusername

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Originally posted by: jjzelinski
Did you know Ann Coulter gets really upset if you call her "horse-faced"?
I would pay for the privilege of garnering that reaction in person
 

dannybin1742

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While FNC certainly has its share of issues with bias, ALL major media is now owned by a handful of multi-national corporations. That's what really has me worried

i agree with dealmonkey

seems like all that stuff that RATM was singing about in their songs has come true or is at least correct
 

thuper

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Originally posted by: Runner20
HMMM, wonder how EVERY show on Fox beats EVERY show on CNN and MSNBC, in ratings I mean.

Along those same lines, Air America radio is beating the crap out of other major political talk radio all over the place, in ratings I mean.

Does this validate their cause? Does it make them better and the only right choice in existence?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Runner20
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: Runner20
HMMM, wonder how EVERY show on Fox beats EVERY show on CNN and MSNBC, in ratings I mean.

Hello

It is well known that the Rich have been plugged into the ratings system (Neilsen) forever.

How many American Peons do you know with a Neilsen box???


So of course the ratings will come out with Fox over CNN and the rest everytime.


hi

So i guess the Nielson ratings have been false all these years ....

guess the outrageous numbers the Super Bowl gets are also false

Yep, now your learning.

There has even been lawsuits by advertisers that they were duped by false ratings.

Where have you been??? Most likely not old enough to remember.
 

Ogi

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Originally posted by: Runner20
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
HMMM, wonder how EVERY show on Fox beats EVERY show on CNN and MSNBC, in ratings I mean.

Well, they're referring to Fox News not the regular Fox channel, but I think that's what you mean. But anyway, I'll tell you why. Neocons go to "safe" news sources for them to digest their daily dose of brainwashing. That's why they flock to Rush, Hannity, Savage and Coulter. Of course they're successful, they cater to the drones.

Oh and another thing, if your a conservative news channel, fine, but don't try to advertise yourself as "far and balance" or "we report, you decide". Frankly, it's a 24-hour a day editorial, nothing more. Take all the talking parrots away from the friendly grounds of Fox News and they wilt like a dead flower, e.g. Swift Boat Idiots for Lying.

Fox News is fair and balanced. Usually 2 guests from 2 different view points are on.

what a load of crap!! last time i saw a study on the conservative vs. liberal guests, it was 5:1, also their "democrat" on thier opinnion show is one of the most conservative democrats i've ever seen, the last thing that fox is, is fair and unbiased... you need to quit posting these retarded posts ...you're making the readers dumber.

Ogi
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: Caminetto
I consider myself a centrist and moderate. I voted for Bush Sr. and Dole. I have always known that FOX news was slanted journalism at best and at times flagrant in attempts to sway opinion. My conservative friends are unable to see this unfair and unbalanced bias since from where they stand FOX is presenting the news as they see the world, or from their slanted position.

So, if Fox isn't fair and balanced, who is? Whom do you trust to inform you of news events w/o bias>

Hmm?
 

bozack

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Originally posted by: thuper
Along those same lines, Air America radio is beating the crap out of other major political talk radio all over the place, in ratings I mean.

Does this validate their cause? Does it make them better and the only right choice in existence?

are you serious??? have you checked your facts or are you just guessing? last I heard/read AA Radio was on the virge of banktruptcy and failing miserably....you might want to double check your source for this "info" you claim.

also this is possibly the one and only time I agree with Moonbeam, Fox does report both sides (generally) but is far more favorable to that which is the conservative viewpoint...most other media is slightly favorable to "liberal" causes at least from my pov.
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: bozack
Originally posted by: thuper
Along those same lines, Air America radio is beating the crap out of other major political talk radio all over the place, in ratings I mean.

Does this validate their cause? Does it make them better and the only right choice in existence?

are you serious??? have you checked your facts or are you just guessing? last I heard/read AA Radio was on the virge of banktruptcy and failing miserably....you might want to double check your source for this "info" you claim.

also this is possibly the one and only time I agree with Moonbeam, Fox does report both sides (generally) but is far more favorable to that which is the conservative viewpoint...most other media is slightly favorable to "liberal" causes at least from my pov.

1. i have no idea about ratings. from what i remember hearing a couple weeks ago, they are like number 2 in political talk radio. (after rush)
2. they are solvent now.

3. from what i have seen (my own experience and reading on the experience of others who have worked there or had contact with) "everyone" [business] seems to know that fox is pretty much the conservative news station.
4. i understand what you are saying but i have yet to really witness a liberal slant and remain quasi-legitimate. could you cite some examples of mainstream news media that you feel is as biased as Fox in the other direction?
 

DeeKnow

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Originally posted by: Runner20
HMMM, wonder how EVERY show on Fox beats EVERY show on CNN and MSNBC, in ratings I mean.

same reason why every menu item at the fast food beats every menu item at the health food store... people are stupid....
 

DeeKnow

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Originally posted by: Darkhawk28


Well, let's examine the flagship of the Fox News channel, O'Reilly. He usually puts up sacrificial lambs to the slaughter to represent the left. These folks are not public speakers, usually, and look foolish because O'Reilly bullies and manipulates the conversation with ease.

I have often wondered why anyone would agree to be interviewed on Fox... then again - I think anyone that does agree to appear on their show fully deserves what they get from the 'fair and balanced' O' Reilly...
 

PatboyX

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Originally posted by: DeeKnow
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28


Well, let's examine the flagship of the Fox News channel, O'Reilly. He usually puts up sacrificial lambs to the slaughter to represent the left. These folks are not public speakers, usually, and look foolish because O'Reilly bullies and manipulates the conversation with ease.

I have often wondered why anyone would agree to be interviewed on Fox... then again - I think anyone that does agree to appear on their show fully deserves what they get from the 'fair and balanced' O' Reilly...

its also important to note that O'Reilly tries to create an atmosphere of live tv to make it even more plausible. their website claims they dont edit but i have read otherwise.

about your first point: i think it is a good comparision to fast food.
being number 1 watched doesnt mean you are the best. mcdonalds has to be up there for selling more burgers than anyone else but that certainly doesnt mean their burgers are particularly good (or, can even truly qualify as an actual burger) its easy, cheap, homogonized garbage. (the burger, i mean)