Ossama Bin Laden was not armed.

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DucatiMonster696

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When did Congress declare war?

Ask Obama because he specifically mentioned that

“We are at war, we are at war against al-Qaeda."

“We will do whatever it takes to defeat them.”
as far back as 2010

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor.../Barack-Obama-US-is-at-war-with-al-Qaeda.html

And during his speech on Sunday night.

And so we went to war against al Qaeda to protect our citizens, our friends, and our allies.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-obama-speech-transcript_n_856122.html
 
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ConstipatedVigilante

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The thousands of innocents he killed weren't armed either. Big fucking deal. And fuck you, Lemon Law. Being an apologist for Hamas is one thing, but Bin Laden? You shouldn't call yourself an American.
 

PeshakJang

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The thousands of innocents he killed weren't armed either. Big fucking deal. And fuck you, Lemon Law. Being an apologist for Hamas is one thing, but Bin Laden? You shouldn't call yourself an American.

I have to give him credit at least... he is the one liberal I have heard who hasn't done a complete 180 on principals that he's espoused for the last 10 years.

When anything like this used to happen, it was immediately decried as being illegal, inhumane, deplorable, and was grounds for impeachment, arrest, and trial as an international war criminal. Executing unarmed people in the middle of the night, while in another country illegally for that matter?

Now, the tag line is "Obama got Bin Laden", and he's the most courageous, decisive, and praiseworthy leader this country has ever seen. Don't ask any questions beyond that, or you are simply an idiot.

so, props, Lemon Law. At least you are consistent.
 

OutHouse

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SEAL Team 6 exists for the purpose of assasinating individuals identified as being terrorists. They have been operating essentially as the CIA's hit men.

The fact Team 6 were sent means there was never any intention of bringing OBL anywhere, except in a body bag.

Yup! I may not agree with obama om a lot of things but I give kudos to him for having the balls to give the order to kill him on the spot. That team went in with 1 bodybag not handcuffs. I bet the seal who pulled the trigger is still shit raving drunk from celrbration. I wonder when the movie will be out.
 

routan

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While I am ecstatic that this evil person is no longer alive...
would the nutjobs who are celebrating his death, and are unconcerned by the murder please inform me why the murder is not condemned?
Even given that the whole world cast him as an evil person, he was not convincted of any crime. Hence
Does everyone not notice the obvious holes in the official story? Unarmed person, able to be captured, would pay for his crimes... heck, just having him behind bars could have been the biggest victory over Al-Qaeda, who would see their mentor, living behind bars, in an American prison!
 

OutHouse

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For those who can read German, this legal tribune argues that no nation has a license to kill and human rights and due process must be followed, even when the likes of OBL are concerned.

Yeah, the world hates us even more now.

Death to the US Dollar! Death to the US economy.

Fuck those kraut motherfuckers, they can kiss my hairy french ass.
 

GuitarDaddy

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While I am ecstatic that this evil person is no longer alive...
would the nutjobs who are celebrating his death, and are unconcerned by the murder please inform me why the murder is not condemned?
Even given that the whole world cast him as an evil person, he was not convincted of any crime. Hence
Does everyone not notice the obvious holes in the official story? Unarmed person, able to be captured, would pay for his crimes... heck, just having him behind bars could have been the biggest victory over Al-Qaeda, who would see their mentor, living behind bars, in an American prison!


You've got to be kidding. The man gleefully took credit on several occasions for the 9/11 attacks and praised those involved with the killing of 3000+ american citizens! Were any of those 3000 convicted of a crime?, did they get their day in court?

He got much better than he deserved, if the roles were reversed and a top level American leader had been assinated in Pakistan there would have been organized parades in the streets as they took turns dragging and beating his headless body and you know it.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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heck, just having him behind bars could have been the biggest victory over Al-Qaeda, who would see their mentor, living behind bars, in an American prison!

And who would be committing acts of terrorism not seen before to have him released!

You actually believe they would just lie down and say "game over"? There would be hostage taking murder and mayhem on every continent.
 

OutHouse

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While I am ecstatic that this evil person is no longer alive...
would the nutjobs who are celebrating his death, and are unconcerned by the murder please inform me why the murder is not condemned?
Even given that the whole world cast him as an evil person, he was not convincted of any crime. Hence
Does everyone not notice the obvious holes in the official story? Unarmed person, able to be captured, would pay for his crimes... heck, just having him behind bars could have been the biggest victory over Al-Qaeda, who would see their mentor, living behind bars, in an American prison!

Screw that. The better victory was killing him in his own home and in his own bed. That sent a crystal clear message to the moooslim terrorist that we will get you. It also closed the book, end of the story, its over. Damn iam proud obama ended this.
 
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Modelworks

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I doubt we will ever hear it but I'd bet $1000 the team was ordered not to take him alive. Between the two options you have:

Take him alive:
Where will you imprison him ? gitmo ?
How will you do the trial ? who will be present ? Will it be public ?
What specific evidence is their and who will be his defense ?
All the political BS that would result.

Kill Him:
Questions about the mission and how it was handled

Killing him was the easiest way to handle it.
 

Genx87

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I can barely type on this keyboard due to all the crocodile tears I have to wipe away from my face knowing he had two put in his grape while being unarmed!
 

xj0hnx

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While I am ecstatic that this evil person is no longer alive...
would the nutjobs who are celebrating his death, and are unconcerned by the murder please inform me why the murder is not condemned?
Even given that the whole world cast him as an evil person, he was not convincted of any crime. Hence
Does everyone not notice the obvious holes in the official story? Unarmed person, able to be captured, would pay for his crimes... heck, just having him behind bars could have been the biggest victory over Al-Qaeda, who would see their mentor, living behind bars, in an American prison!

Clueless troll is clueless.
 

Modelworks

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While I am ecstatic that this evil person is no longer alive...
would the nutjobs who are celebrating his death, and are unconcerned by the murder please inform me why the murder is not condemned?
Even given that the whole world cast him as an evil person, he was not convincted of any crime. Hence
Does everyone not notice the obvious holes in the official story? Unarmed person, able to be captured, would pay for his crimes... heck, just having him behind bars could have been the biggest victory over Al-Qaeda, who would see their mentor, living behind bars, in an American prison!

I don't consider it murder. The same way I wouldn't consider it murder to kill someone who had just committed murder in plain view but was no longer holding a weapon. That is where I feel our justice system fails miserably. Someone could kill someone in plain view of 1000 people, drop the gun, start walking away and someone else could shoot them and that shooter would be charged with murder.

Having him behind bars would have been the worst thing we could ever do. It would drag on for years, cause more deaths, and result in more cost than just killing him ever will.
 

kage69

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Hard to find mass murderers don't get the same considerations in combat as do innocent civilians, it's just that simple.

Unarmed? So fuckin what? He wasn't on his knees with his hands in the air either.
 

routan

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You've got to be kidding. The man gleefully took credit on several occasions for the 9/11 attacks and praised those involved with the killing of 3000+ american citizens! Were any of those 3000 convicted of a crime?, did they get their day in court?

He got much better than he deserved, if the roles were reversed and a top level American leader had been assinated in Pakistan there would have been organized parades in the streets as they took turns dragging and beating his headless body and you know it.

Thats such a stupid analogy which is oft repeated and just serves to insert a sympathy factor by evoking an emotion in consideration of the innocents who died on 9/11... a criminal gets a day in court, not civilians. We can find thousands of those who'd gleefully take credit of 9/11.

The roles arent reversed. Which is why we Americans are proud to be Americans, and not Pakistanis. The way some of the forum members act does a disservice to America.
 

routan

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And who would be committing acts of terrorism not seen before to have him released!

You actually believe they would just lie down and say "game over"? There would be hostage taking murder and mayhem on every continent.

Why would that be any different if he is killed? Many are of the opinion that there are certain to be retaliatory attacks.

The argument that he was killed and not captured because there would be a possibility of hostage taking, murder and mayhem to get him freed is not a sound one.
 

OutHouse

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Hard to find mass murderers don't get the same considerations in combat as do innocent civilians, it's just that simple.

Unarmed? So fuckin what? He wasn't on his knees with his hands in the air either.

I hope that is how it went down. the bastard on his knees begging for his life as a seal is standing over him with a MP5 leveled at his head. while another seal reads a proclamation. "by order of the president of the united states, you are guilty of mass murder of 3000 Americans and you are are hear by sentenced to death. execution will be immediate."
 
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routan

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I doubt we will ever hear it but I'd bet $1000 the team was ordered not to take him alive. Between the two options you have:

Take him alive:
Where will you imprison him ? gitmo ?
How will you do the trial ? who will be present ? Will it be public ?
What specific evidence is their and who will be his defense ?
All the political BS that would result.

Kill Him:
Questions about the mission and how it was handled

Killing him was the easiest way to handle it.

So your pov is to kill him to save the US a headache? Thats not the American pov that I learnt growing up.
 

routan

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I don't consider it murder. The same way I wouldn't consider it murder to kill someone who had just committed murder in plain view but was no longer holding a weapon. That is where I feel our justice system fails miserably. Someone could kill someone in plain view of 1000 people, drop the gun, start walking away and someone else could shoot them and that shooter would be charged with murder.

Having him behind bars would have been the worst thing we could ever do. It would drag on for years, cause more deaths, and result in more cost than just killing him ever will.

This is advocation of vigilante justice... which again is not the philosphy of America, atleast not that I have learned.
 

OutHouse

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So your pov is to kill him to save the US a headache? Thats not the American pov that I learnt growing up.

i didnt either but in this case it was justified.
he was a dirt bag terrorist and he meet his just end.