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Orange stain second term results thread

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Brainonska511 said:
They're just upset that they are losing and people hate them.

They can pull the lever at any time to stop being run over by the trolley. It wouldn't even take that many of them to do it.
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I do have to admit though, it would be hilarious if they lose majority in the house before the '26 elections due to retirements/resignations. Would make for a really amusing end of the session.
 
Did the post office always used to sell "Official Historical White House Christmas 2025" ornaments or is this the grift that never ends?
 
Heartbreaker said:
Insurance companies are major campaign contributors. You can't eliminate their cut until you fix the political system.
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Insurance companies could stop giving money to anyone tomorrow and they likely wouldn't go away. The paradigm where most people get their healthcare coverage through an employer is not going away anytime soon to be replaced with a single payer system until a lot of people get real cool, real fast with making less money and having less choice.
 
Brainonska511 said:
They're just upset that they are losing and people hate them.

They can pull the lever at any time to stop being run over by the trolley. It wouldn't even take that many of them to do it.
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Congress are cowards who have no idea how to do their job.
All it would take is one vote with Democrats to expel the speaker and restore order to the country through law.
But these Congress critters would rather see the nation fall into lawlessness than do their job.

They think their job is to bow to a master in their party, instead of serving the people.
You can thank social media for rotting their brains as well.
 
Pens1566 said:
MTG doesn't resign if she thinks they'll hold the house in '26. No way. I don't care how much Trump supports a primary challenger in her district. She's not losing to anyone else in Deliverance Country.
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She doesn't need this shit. She made a fortune on insider trading in the stock market.
 
UNCjigga said:
I’ve heard rumors of a major cabinet reshuffle in the works that will almost certainly take place before the next SOTU speech. But I’ve also heard rumors that the people you think should be “out” are actually digging in (*cough* Hegseth, Miller, RFK Jr., even Gabbard.) Supposedly they’re doubling down on fascists while bringing in “new blood” for Treasury, Commerce, Labor and the various business councils.
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Not surprised in the least. As Donnie's dementia increases, his reaction is just to double down. I think he' getting tired of all of this damn work he has to do.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Insurance companies could stop giving money to anyone tomorrow and they likely wouldn't go away. The paradigm where most people get their healthcare coverage through an employer is not going away anytime soon to be replaced with a single payer system until a lot of people get real cool, real fast with making less money and having less choice.
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Less choice than the two my employer offers now? One bad and the other insulting.

And how would people make less money?
 
Brainonska511 said:
Insurance companies could stop giving money to anyone tomorrow and they likely wouldn't go away. The paradigm where most people get their healthcare coverage through an employer is not going away anytime soon to be replaced with a single payer system until a lot of people get real cool, real fast with making less money and having less choice.
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Ah, choice. We get to choose which insurer gets to ream us. Single payer would save everyone a lot of money. But then a lot of people now sucking the lifeblood out of the American economy would have to find productive employment. The private healthcare insurance scam is a luxury our country can no longer afford.
 
dainthomas said:
Less choice than the two my employer offers now? One bad and the other insulting.
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Choice as in what would be covered in the first place: like it becoming more difficult to get an MRI for something, or maybe your choices would be 1 drug of 5 for a condition instead of being able to try all 5 to see what works best for you.

I have a hypothesis that in many European countries, because the "no" in the system is hidden by government reimbursement rules, doctors just don't offer certain things because it simply won't be reimbursed. I also know, from listening to doctors speak, that access is often hampered for certain things: one physician said in France, they basically don't do cardiac MRIs because the wait times would just be too long, so they have to rely on echocardiograms. I've heard other physicians say how for certain cancers, there is drug X or drug Y, and if they don't work, you just get standard chemotherapy, whereas the US physicians said if drug X didn't work, they could try drug Y, and then move on to "off-label" drugs that could plausibly work. The functional extension to this thought is that in the US, the "no" is decoupled from the care ordered, which makes it seem like a third party is impeding on them.

Ultimately, it's just the fundamental aspect of living in a resource-limited world: someone has to say no.
dainthomas said:
And how would people make less money?
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I'm speaking of all the people that work in healthcare and pharma; the hundreds of thousands of people in insurance and hospital administration; medical schools that collect massive amounts of tuition; etc...
 
IronWing said:
Ah, choice. We get to choose which insurer gets to ream us. Single payer would save everyone a lot of money. But then a lot of people now sucking the lifeblood out of the American economy would have to find productive employment. The private healthcare insurance scam is a luxury our country can no longer afford.
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Yes, a single payer system would save money, and if I was designing something from scratch, that's what I would do. But politically, we're not starting from scratch and decisions to fix or reform things need to take the current environment and stakeholders into account.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Yes, a single payer system would save money, and if I was designing something from scratch, that's what I would do. But politically, we're not starting from scratch and decisions to fix or reform things need to take the current environment and stakeholders into account.
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If by stakeholders, we should account for the private insurance industry, okay. Fuck them.
 
Brainonska511 said:
I'm speaking of all the people that work in healthcare and pharma; the hundreds of thousands of people in insurance and hospital administration; medical schools that collect massive amounts of tuition; etc...
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Why would eliminating the parasite in the middle (insurance companies), mean less employment for actual medical professionals?
 
Heartbreaker said:
Why would eliminating the parasite in the middle (insurance companies), mean less employment for actual medical professionals?
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Not less employment for medical professionals, just lower pay. If you're going to force down costs with single payer, you're also going to be paying doctors and other professionals less as a result.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Not less employment for medical professionals, just lower pay. If you're going to force down costs with single payer, you're also going to be paying doctors and other professionals less as a result.
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Yep, of course we can offset that pain to some degree by also investing in medical education so people aren't hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) in debt when they graduate. The work would be hard but the benefit on the back end would be huge.

Republicans arguing the ACA should be killed and replaced with HSAs because some people don't file claims in a given year is stupid, but they are kind of so close.....

How many other first world countries require citizens to follow up on mountains of paperwork to make sure their medical bills are paid?
 
brycejones said:
Yep, of course we can offset that pain to some degree by also investing in medical education so people aren't hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) in debt when they graduate. The work would be hard but the benefit on the back end would be huge.
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Yes. But that's the central part of my point. We're stuck with all these interconnected pieces handed down by all prior decisions and they all have different interests and needs and would need to be collectively tackled for a wholesale change (hence, the political problem).

Nevermind the whole other political issue that we saw with the ACA: people are afraid of losing what they have for an unknown; secondly, getting more people covered (a good thing) means more people will be using local providers. I don't know if anyone has tried to get a new doctor lately or a specialist appointment, but the wait times can be long. They would only go up if access barriers are reduced and we don't dramatically increase the supply of doctors (largely controlled by # of residency slots set by Medicare funding, followed by medical school spots).

brycejones said:
Republicans arguing the ACA should be killed and replaced with HSAs because some people don't file claims in a given year is stupid, but they are kind of so close.....
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Republicans have also spent years completely undermining the ACA - killing the penalty, undercutting regulations at every turn (like allowing people to just get those garbage <1 year coverage plans), reducing the marketing budget to throw barriers up for enrollment, screwing with subsides, etc... It's frankly a wonder that things haven't gotten substantially worse.

brycejones said:
How many other first world countries require citizens to follow up on mountains of paperwork to make sure their medical bills are paid?
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The end consumer doesn't have the paperwork, but the billing and whatnot is still there for the provider to get paid.
 
brycejones said:
Yep, of course we can offset that pain to some degree by also investing in medical education so people aren't hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) in debt when they graduate. The work would be hard but the benefit on the back end would be huge.

Republicans arguing the ACA should be killed and replaced with HSAs because some people don't file claims in a given year is stupid, but they are kind of so close.....

How many other first world countries require citizens to follow up on mountains of paperwork to make sure their medical bills are paid?
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Plus there will be big saving just from cutting out the parasite:

www.commondreams.org

'Gouging': US Health Insurance Giants Raked in Over $71 Billion in Profits Last Year | Common Dreams

The seven largest publicly traded U.S. health insurance companies made a collective $71.3 billion in profits last year, and their CEOs took home a total of $146.1 million in compensation.
www.commondreams.org www.commondreams.org

One of the biggest areas to tackle is going to be overprescribing, and price gouging on prescription drugs.
 
Heartbreaker said:
Plus there will be big saving just from cutting out the parasite:

www.commondreams.org

'Gouging': US Health Insurance Giants Raked in Over $71 Billion in Profits Last Year | Common Dreams

The seven largest publicly traded U.S. health insurance companies made a collective $71.3 billion in profits last year, and their CEOs took home a total of $146.1 million in compensation.
www.commondreams.org www.commondreams.org
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The US collectively spent about $5 trillion in the last year on healthcare. Those companies also have to meet specific medical loss ratios under the ACA, so they have to spend a lot on patients. That profit would definitely deliver more care to people, but it is also only a drop in the bucket for what we are collectively spending.
 
Trump EPA approving PFAS for use on food crops.

biologicaldiversity.org

Trump EPA Approves Its Second ‘Forever Chemical’ Pesticide in Two Weeks

The Environmental Protection Agency today approved the highly persistent pesticide isocycloseram for golf courses, lawns and food crops such as oranges, tomatoes, almonds, peas, and oats. The pesticide is a “forever chemical” — one of a group called PFAS, or perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl...
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This is so fucking dumb.
 
brycejones said:
Trump EPA approving PFAS for use on food crops.

biologicaldiversity.org

Trump EPA Approves Its Second ‘Forever Chemical’ Pesticide in Two Weeks

The Environmental Protection Agency today approved the highly persistent pesticide isocycloseram for golf courses, lawns and food crops such as oranges, tomatoes, almonds, peas, and oats. The pesticide is a “forever chemical” — one of a group called PFAS, or perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl...
biologicaldiversity.org

This is so fucking dumb.
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Make America Healthy Again.
 
brycejones said:
Trump EPA approving PFAS for use on food crops.

biologicaldiversity.org

Trump EPA Approves Its Second ‘Forever Chemical’ Pesticide in Two Weeks

The Environmental Protection Agency today approved the highly persistent pesticide isocycloseram for golf courses, lawns and food crops such as oranges, tomatoes, almonds, peas, and oats. The pesticide is a “forever chemical” — one of a group called PFAS, or perfluoroalkyl and polyfluoroalkyl...
biologicaldiversity.org

This is so fucking dumb.
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Did you expect them to do something intelligent ?
 
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