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nakedfrog

nakedfrog

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Brovane said:
You are the one that said that we wouldn't be talking about illegal immigration today if walls worked.

Securing the border with physical walls is just one part of a solution for illegal immigration. Along with reforms to the immigration system. Have we implemented reforms to the immigration system? No, so we still have a problem with illegal immigration because politicians would rather not solve the problem. Clear example of that is when Trump deliberately scuttled attempts last year to reform the system.

The question that I have, do you think the US should have no physical border wall/Fences/Barriers at all along the US border?
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Why no mention of harsher punishments for those found employing undocumented workers?
 
VashHT

VashHT

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Brainonska511 said:
There are probably a literal handful of people that have argued for absolutely no wall. It's effectively a straw man argument. I don't think anyone has an issue with a fencing of some kind where you also have border checkpoints and whatnot on both sides of the border.

A border wall stretching through uninhabited desert is a huge waste of money and resources and is horribly damaging to migratory species and the environment (like when they rip up saguoro that are 100+ years old [they only tend to get their first "arm" around 75-100 years of age]). It's also especially stupid when most people are coming through legal crossings.

It wouldn't be such an issue if we didn't have a horribly broken-by-Republicans immigration system that requires people fill out huge amounts of paperwork and wait years for resolutions. We should be making it easier for people to immigrate here - both those that want to stay after being educated here, and those that simply want to make a better life for themselves. I welcome people that have the want to enrich my country culturally and economically, and I also think it's a moral imperative that we try and help those fleeing economic, social, and political persecution.
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It's like the people who claim Biden supported open borders and was waving illegal immigrants into the country, the borders were definitely not "wide open" and I've never heard anyone support open borders, but right wing morons claim all liberals support it.
 
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nakedfrog

nakedfrog

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VashHT said:
It's like the people who claim Biden supported open borders and was waving illegal immigrants into the country, the borders were definitely not "wide open" and I've never heard anyone support open borders, but right wing morons claim all liberals support it.
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It's mostly the far leftists who support it, the ones that take being referred to as a liberal as an insult.
 
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you2

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nakedfrog

nakedfrog

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"Please commit all the election fraud you can in 2026, and I'll take care of you"
Same as pardoning the J6 insurrectionists.
 
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JD50

JD50

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VashHT said:
It's like the people who claim Biden supported open borders and was waving illegal immigrants into the country, the borders were definitely not "wide open" and I've never heard anyone support open borders, but right wing morons claim all liberals support it.
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"The borders were wide open, here's pictures of people being detained by border patrol agents at check points on the border to prove it" - conservatives
 
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fskimospy

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brycejones said:
Weird how conservatives hate due process for immigrants.
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And remember, Democrats and Senate Republicans came up with a bill to address exactly this issue, giving greater enforcement funding as well as additional resources to process claims quickly and then Republicans in the House torpedoed it and refused to allow it up for a vote out of fears it would pass.

It's been their MO for years to complain about immigration and then actively thwart any attempt to address immigration. It's because they like it as a campaign issue more than they like fixing problems.
 
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gothuevos

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fskimospy said:
And remember, Democrats and Senate Republicans came up with a bill to address exactly this issue, giving greater enforcement funding as well as additional resources to process claims quickly and then Republicans in the House torpedoed it and refused to allow it up for a vote out of fears it would pass.

It's been their MO for years to complain about immigration and then actively thwart any attempt to address immigration. It's because they like it as a campaign issue more than they like fixing problems.
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Waited too long.
 
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pmv

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Brovane said:
But all the more power to you if you think you know more than the Finland, Poland and Latvia governments and how to control their borders.
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There's an element of hypocrisy with regard to Poland especially - given the mass exodus of Poles to the rest of the EU (and, in large numbers, pre-Brexit, to the UK). They pretty much solved their unemployment problem and hugely boosted their economy by such measures, yet aren't very happy about anyone entering Poland (to be fair, that doesn't seem to apply in the case of white Ukrainians - despite the history of Polish/Ukrainian conflict, I guess a kind of solidarity against Russia kicks in - but anyone from outside Europe gets treated very differently)
 
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