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Orange stain second term results thread

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zinfamous said:
They often joke that it can't be that bad and yeah, many come from much worse-off, unpredictable and unstable governments so they have real reasons to "trust" that things are always going to be OK in the US. ...and that's the thing about these MAGA terrorists. They literally don't know what they had and are hell bent on making this country as shitty as absolutely possible--for them as well. Which is fucking hilarious.
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Just wait until the leopard comes for them. Those from without will recognize it and realize the jumped from a frying pan into a fire... And those within are gonna fucking find out how bad it can get.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Federal Judge blocked the Birthright Citizenship EO. Reagan appointee Judge Coughenour.

"I've been on the bench for over 4 decades. I can’t remember another case where the question presented is as clear as this one. This is a blatantly unconstitutional order" - Judge Coughenour
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The lawyers who tried to defend this EO should be disbarred. The Constitution is largely written in plain language, and we shouldn't let lawyers who wrote hack shit in law school reviews for their Federalist Society auditions try to tell us otherwise.
 
Brainonska511 said:
The lawyers who tried to defend this EO should be disbarred. The Constitution is largely written in plain language, and we shouldn't let lawyers who wrote hack shit in law school reviews for their Federalist Society auditions try to tell us otherwise.
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Yes, this one was so egregious that the lawyers for the government should never practice again. They are not forced at gunpoint to do this since they can just quit.
 
Pens1566 said:
Don't leave out that the Bernie Bro holdouts likely cost Hillary the election in '16 as well. We probably wouldn't be in this current situation if it weren't for their "contribution".
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You know who was worse than the Bernie Bros? The fucking Biden Bros this election cycle. I remember a couple of us stating the obvious about Biden being too old his numbers being too bad and he shouldn't run again, it was a bad idea, and we were getting shit on like we were fucking idiots and had no political sense. Turns out that was exactly the correct political instincts.

And this is a 100% fact, not theoretical.
 

interesting view point

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In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States, citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship.



In a case on Trump's birthright citizenship executive order coming out of Washington, Justice Department attorneys quote the 14th Amendment, which reads that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,” and hang their one of their arguments on the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

Where's he going to deport them to, or will he continue the tried and succesful American policy of genocide
 
Ain't going to be any "drill baby drill" as expected to magically lower enegery prices.

https://bsky.app/profile/jamiesmythft.bsky.social/post/3lgijvk5soc2x

President Donald Trump’s call for a new oil boom will be thwarted by Wall Street’s reluctance to approve another drilling binge, shale bosses have warned.

Total US oil output in Trump’s second term will rise by less than 1.3mn barrels a day, said Rystad Energy and Wood Mackenzie, well below the 1.9mn b/d rise achieved under Joe Biden and much less than in the shale bonanza years in the previous decade.

Executives said investor pressure on companies and the economic realities of a sector always beholden to oil prices would be obstacles to Trump’s quest to launch an era of “American energy dominance”.

“The incentive, if you will, to just drill, baby, drill . . . I just don’t believe that companies are going to do that,” said Wil VanLoh, chief executive of private equity group Quantum Energy Partners, one of the shale sector’s biggest investors.

“Wall Street will dictate here — and you know what? They don’t have a political agenda. They have a financial agenda . . . They have zero incentive to basically tell the management teams running these businesses to go and drill more wells,” VanLoh said.
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HomerJS said:
Trump's ICE patrol arrests a US citizen and veteran. I'm sure it was one of those dark people.
www.thedailybeast.com

Mayor Rages as Trump’s Much-Hyped ICE Raids Nab U.S. Military Vet

American citizens were detained without warrants, Newark Mayor Ras Baraka said.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com
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Just came here to post that. Baraka is running for governor, I need to learn more about him but he is sounding good.

www.cbsnews.com

Newark, N.J., mayor says ICE agents "raided a local establishment," multiple people detained

Immigration agents "raided a local establishment" in Newark on Thursday, according to the city's mayor.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
KMFJD said:

interesting view point

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In the Trump administration’s arguments defending his order to suspend birthright citizenship, the Justice Department called into question the citizenship of Native Americans born in the United States, citing a 19th-century law that excluded Native Americans from birthright citizenship.



In a case on Trump's birthright citizenship executive order coming out of Washington, Justice Department attorneys quote the 14th Amendment, which reads that “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside,” and hang their one of their arguments on the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof.”

Where's he going to deport them to, or will he continue the tried and succesful American policy of genocide
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The Indian Citizenship Act of 1924 resolved this issue beyond any possible doubt and any lawyer arguing what these guys are should be sentenced to clean toilets in the national parks for two years. The legal profession needs to start feeling some heat.
 
Brainonska511 said:
The lawyers who tried to defend this EO should be disbarred. The Constitution is largely written in plain language, and we shouldn't let lawyers who wrote hack shit in law school reviews for their Federalist Society auditions try to tell us otherwise.
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They are hyper focused on the "subject to the jurisdiction of" line in the 14th amendment, thinking that SCOTUS will find a way to use that to validate the EO.

I mean, knowing this court, it's a good tactic on their end.
 
gothuevos said:
They are hyper focused on the "subject to the jurisdiction of" line in the 14th amendment, thinking that SCOTUS will find a way to use that to validate the EO.

I mean, knowing this court, it's a good tactic on their end.
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Until one judge asks if any laws of the country apply to undocumented immigrants. Then the argument is dead. Foreign diplomats or people serving in foreign militaries may fall under that. Any immigrant legal or not is definitely subject.
 
gothuevos said:
They are hyper focused on the "subject to the jurisdiction of" line in the 14th amendment, thinking that SCOTUS will find a way to use that to validate the EO.

I mean, knowing this court, it's a good tactic on their end.
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No, it's mealy mouthed bullshit, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. We should stop acting like SCOTUS are high priests, and only they can tell us what our eyes and brains know to be true.
 
HomerJS said:
Trump's ICE patrol arrests a US citizen and veteran. I'm sure it was one of those dark people.
www.thedailybeast.com

Mayor Rages as Trump’s Much-Hyped ICE Raids Nab U.S. Military Vet

American citizens were detained without warrants, Newark Mayor Ras Baraka said.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com
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So close!
[DHT]Osiris said:
I'll add a prediction: within a week the first US born citizen will be deported, and within a month Mexico will have to set up a refugee/support program to get US citizens back home.
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Brainonska511 said:
No, it's mealy mouthed bullshit, and we shouldn't pretend otherwise. We should stop acting like SCOTUS are high priests, and only they can tell us what our eyes and brains know to be true.
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The fact that there is at least one vote on the court for this absolute nonsense should not change our judgment of it. Any sane county would have banished Alito to sit on a traffic court by now.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Until one judge asks if any laws of the country apply to undocumented immigrants. Then the argument is dead. Foreign diplomats or people serving in foreign militaries may fall under that. Any immigrant legal or not is definitely subject.
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This was already asked by the district court and Trump's lawyers... did not have a convincing answer. They ended up saying that undocumented immigrants were subject to the jurisdiction of the US for the purposes of law enforcement but not for the purposes of the 14th amendment. (lol - wtf does that even mean)
 
fskimospy said:
This was already asked by the district court and Trump's lawyers... did not have a convincing answer. They ended up saying that undocumented immigrants were subject to the jurisdiction of the US for the purposes of law enforcement but not for the purposes of the 14th amendment. (lol - wtf does that even mean)
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Sounds like something the FedSoc came up with that when argued in court the judge is probably going to ask you if you are medically unwell.
 
fskimospy said:
This was already asked by the district court and Trump's lawyers... did not have a convincing answer. They ended up saying that undocumented immigrants were subject to the jurisdiction of the US for the purposes of law enforcement but not for the purposes of the 14th amendment. (lol - wtf does that even mean)
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The govt loves to invent new classifications for humans to enforce what they want, and only what they want, where they want. They did the same thing in the ME with the whole 'unlawful non-combatant' shit.
 
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