Orange stain second term results thread

[K1052]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/18/visa-integrity-fee-what-to-know-about-new-travel-fee-to-enter-the-us-.html

New "Visa Integrity Fee" of $250/person that is allegedly reimbursable after someone leaves and the visa expires. I'm sure it's going to do wonders for tourism, where now a family of 4 will have to shell out an extra $1k.

It would be wild if the Euros retaliated in kind.

 

[Brainonska511]

It would be wild if the Euros retaliated in kind.

They and the UK already had started to add friction with electronic travel authorization (and small fees) to counter what the US already had in place. I wouldn't be surprised if they do something to retaliate.

 

[K1052]

They and the UK already had started to add friction with electronic travel authorization (and small fees) to counter what the US already had in place. I wouldn't be surprised if they do something to retaliate.

Yeah in response to the US doing the same iirc. Think the euros paused theirs for a while due to implementation delays.

 

[manly]

So Cokes going to be more expensive?

As already mentioned, HFCS is cheap in the U.S. and corn production is heavily supported by the federal government.

The guy who said Coke imported from Mexico is a bit more expensive than domestic Coca-Cola is very bad at math.

If you look up sugar production, the U.S. is top 6 but produces only about 2% of global supply. Brazil and India are the dominant producers, and Coca-Cola isn't pivoting from cheap HFCS to imported sugar.

 

[K1052]

and Coca-Cola isn't pivoting from cheap HFCS to imported sugar.

If I was the company and Trump won't stop asking about this I'd say "Of course Mr. President, we will switch right when our contract for HFCS is up." and then ink contracts through 2029 if they have not already.

 

[Brainonska511]

As already mentioned, HFCS is cheap in the U.S. and corn production is heavily supported by the federal government.

The guy who said Coke imported from Mexico is a bit more expensive than domestic Coca-Cola is very bad at math.

If you look up sugar production, the U.S. is top 6 but produces only about 2% of global supply. Brazil and India are the dominant producers, and Coca-Cola isn't pivoting from cheap HFCS to imported sugar.

Coke wouldn't necessarily have to go to imported sugar sources, because there are domestic sugar beets that provide much of US sugar. However, I agree they aren't going to increase their costs and risk losing market share when they have to raise prices to compensate.

But knowing Trump, it's probably best for your business to nod and pretend that Trump is the Smartest, Specialist Boy, and continue doing what you were already going to do.

 

[VRAMdemon]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/18/visa-integrity-fee-what-to-know-about-new-travel-fee-to-enter-the-us-.html

New "Visa Integrity Fee" of $250/person that is allegedly reimbursable after someone leaves and the visa expires. I'm sure it's going to do wonders for tourism, where now a family of 4 will have to shell out an extra $1k.

Are you fucking kidding me?!? And, of course it's clear as mud how people will have to pay for this and how they will get the money refunded, if it's even refunded at all. Tourism in the US is already in the shitter in 2025 due to the strength of the U.S. dollar, concerns about border policies and detentions, a perception of political instability under the Trump administration and, of course our gun violence. I honestly don’t know why anyone would choose to visit the US right now. I have friends in Canada who are going to other destinations instead. They won’t even pop over for a quick day trip despite living just 50 miles from the border of Maine. They were telling in Maine - Canadians are going somewhere else. Vacancies everywhere. No waits at restaurants. Small businesses closed 2-3 days a week. Prices are ridiculously high to try to make up for it.

It's like trump is trying to crash every part of the economy. The loss to the economy is in the billions and it's all due to the friction and animosity of one very disgusting President. I guess seeing empty seats for the World Cup and Olympics are part of Trumps plan to ramp up embarrassing our country. People will undoubtedly boycott the LA Olympics and FIFA in US. While the visitor is the one that actually is paying these fees the real losers will be airlines, hospitality, taxis, uber, lyft, retail stores, education institutions, small mom-and-pop stores, etc.

Alienating more and more international people who have paid to attend our universities and paid to work here in areas requiring total expertise in their areas of studies. Thanks for the “Brain drain” and impending financial crisis dipshit

 

[Wreckem]

Are you fucking kidding me?!? And, of course it's clear as mud how people will have to pay for this and how they will get the money refunded, if it's even refunded at all. Tourism in the US is already in the shitter in 2025 due to the strength of the U.S. dollar, concerns about border policies and detentions, a perception of political instability under the Trump administration and, of course our gun violence. I honestly don’t know why anyone would choose to visit the US right now. I have friends in Canada who are going to other destinations instead. They won’t even pop over for a quick day trip despite living just 50 miles from the border of Maine. They were telling in Maine - Canadians are going somewhere else. Vacancies everywhere. No waits at restaurants. Small businesses closed 2-3 days a week. Prices are ridiculously high to try to make up for it.

It's like trump is trying to crash every part of the economy. The loss to the economy is in the billions and it's all due to the friction and animosity of one very disgusting President. I guess seeing empty seats for the World Cup and Olympics are part of Trumps plan to ramp up embarrassing our country. People will undoubtedly boycott the LA Olympics and FIFA in US. While the visitor is the one that actually is paying these fees the real losers will be airlines, hospitality, taxis, uber, lyft, retail stores, education institutions, small mom-and-pop stores, etc.

Alienating more and more international people who have paid to attend our universities and paid to work here in areas requiring total expertise in their areas of studies. Thanks for the “Brain drain” and impending financial crisis dipshit

The $250 fee doesn’t apply to persons coming from countries that have visa waivers with the US. So It doesn’t impact Europe, Canada, Japan, Tawain, Korea or Israel. It impacts people from countries that have to apply for a visa(middle east, Africa, most of Asia, and South America).

It’s going to have a huge impact on World Cup and Olympics. Trump policies were already impacting international sports in the US.

I honestly don’t see how it’s feasible for the IOC or FIFA to hold these events in the US right now.

While the fee doesn’t impact Canada or Europe, it will probably contribute to the deterioration of international travel to the US from those countries. You can already see and feel the deterioration from previous policies. US spending is also down on travel and leisure. You can probably expect widespread layoffs by end of year in the travel/leisure/hospitality industry and further discounts incentives on top of what has started happening this summer for second half of the year and next year.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Are you fucking kidding me?!? And, of course it's clear as mud how people will have to pay for this and how they will get the money refunded, if it's even refunded at all. Tourism in the US is already in the shitter in 2025 due to the strength of the U.S. dollar, concerns about border policies and detentions, a perception of political instability under the Trump administration and, of course our gun violence. I honestly don’t know why anyone would choose to visit the US right now. I have friends in Canada who are going to other destinations instead. They won’t even pop over for a quick day trip despite living just 50 miles from the border of Maine. They were telling in Maine - Canadians are going somewhere else. Vacancies everywhere. No waits at restaurants. Small businesses closed 2-3 days a week. Prices are ridiculously high to try to make up for it.

It's like trump is trying to crash every part of the economy. The loss to the economy is in the billions and it's all due to the friction and animosity of one very disgusting President. I guess seeing empty seats for the World Cup and Olympics are part of Trumps plan to ramp up embarrassing our country. People will undoubtedly boycott the LA Olympics and FIFA in US. While the visitor is the one that actually is paying these fees the real losers will be airlines, hospitality, taxis, uber, lyft, retail stores, education institutions, small mom-and-pop stores, etc.

Alienating more and more international people who have paid to attend our universities and paid to work here in areas requiring total expertise in their areas of studies. Thanks for the “Brain drain” and impending financial crisis dipshit

The biggest problem is people overstaying Visas and working illegally in the US.

So, I would say it should be closer to $2,000 per person or $5,000 per family to cover the cost of processing and deportation.

 

[Fenixgoon]

The biggest problem is people overstaying Visas and working illegally in the US.

So, I would say it should be closer to $2,000 per person or $5,000 per family to cover the cost of processing and deportation.

well if you want to kill the entire international tourism industry, that's one way to do it

 

[IronWing]

well if you want to kill the entire international tourism industry, that's one way to do it

He lives in Texas. No one wants to visit there anyway.

 

[FelixDeCat]

well if you want to kill the entire international tourism industry, that's one way to do it

Well Im from Texas, an nternational tourism hot spot, so the loss of tourist dollars would hurt. Maybe we can keep their funds in interest bearing account to make it more fair.

 

[brycejones]

He lives in Texas. No one wants to visit there anyway.

It is like a whole other shit hole country.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Well Im from Texas, an nternational tourism hot spot, so the loss of tourist dollars would hurt. Maybe we can keep their funds in interest bearing account to make it more fair.

Which do you think is more likely to generate tourism revenue - free flowing travel of people, or having a massive deposit fee on entry that is returned upon exit?

 

[IronWing]

Which do you think is more likely to generate tourism revenue - free flowing travel of people, or having a massive deposit fee on entry that is returned upon exit?

Given the Republican penchant for thievery, I would have no expectation of ever seeing the deposit again.

 

[you2]

In the past in this massive thread I and others have said the Republicans are turning us into little Russia - well this text might convince you:

https://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/russia-america-putin-trump-20774022.php

 

[UNCjigga]

The biggest problem is people overstaying Visas and working illegally in the US.

So, I would say it should be closer to $2,000 per person or $5,000 per family to cover the cost of processing and deportation.

This is one of those ideas from this Administration that isn’t entirely without merit—but I can absolutely see them fucking up big time on execution. I suppose it’s sort of like those European countries that say foreign tourists are entitled to a full refund of all the VAT taxes they’ve paid, provided they’ve kept all receipts, filled out the paperwork and can stand in a long line at the airport to get it done. I think the bigger problem is that they passed this as law in the OBBB but haven’t put any mechanisms in place to actually collect the fees or issue the refunds on exit.