Openly carrying sidearm causes concerns

[KK]

I don't know about "killed', but they sure need to have the pants sued off of them.

Nah, I'd be sleeping easier if these type of jackoffs were no longer on earth.

Per this link: link

The person says "Currently I am charged with Disorderly Conduct and Reckless Endangerment of Another Person." Go figure.

 

[Scotteq]

No amount of rationalizing on your part is going to make the cops right.

They already are right - They were polite and professional at all times, and they did let him go. He wasn't arrested, nor was he "Harassed". The police had clear cause (the complaint) to speak to him. Period. End of Discussion.

What the fuck are you talking about? He isn't in Texas dumbass, perhaps you were hoping we wouldn't notice your stupidity here ...

Just pointing out that you are complaining about "rights" that YOU don't even have in YOUR state. Kinda nice to know that you're pulling your arguments out of your ass, after all.

And no amount of rationalizing on your part is going to convince me that you would get away with the same stunt in TX. Until such time as the TX legislature decides to pass an Open Carry law, regardless of your posturing - You're complaining about police attention to a behavior which is 100% illegal where you live.

 

[xj0hnx]

Nah, I'd be sleeping easier if these type of jackoffs were no longer on earth.

Per this link: link

The person says "Currently I am charged with Disorderly Conduct and Reckless Endangerment of Another Person." Go figure.

Awesome to see that he didn't lay down and take the violation of his rights like so many here would rather he did just to go along and get along.

 

[xj0hnx]

They already are right - They were polite and professional at all times, and they did let him go. He wasn't arrested, nor was he "Harassed". The police had clear cause (the complaint) to speak to him. Period. End of Discussion.

If they had just talked to him, and let him go as soon as they realized there was no crime taking place you'd be right, but they didn't.

Just pointing out that you are complaining about "rights" that YOU don't even have in YOUR state. Kinda nice to know that you're pulling your arguments out of your ass, after all.

Not pulling anything "out of my ass", this incident didn't happen here moron.

And no amount of rationalizing on your part is going to convince me that you would get away with the same stunt in TX. Until such time as the TX legislature decides to pass an Open Carry law, regardless of your posturing - You're complaining about police attention to a behavior which is 100% illegal where you live.

404 hypocrisy not found, though copious amounts of grasping at anything to diminish the idiocy you have displayed here is clearly present. The laws in my state are not relevant to this case as it didn't happen in Texas, so what's your point again?

 

[Scotteq]

404 hypocrisy not found, though copious amounts of grasping at anything to diminish the idiocy you have displayed here is clearly present. The laws in my state are not relevant to this case as it didn't happen in Texas, so what's your point again?

404 - Harassment Not Found


The Police had clear cause to Speak to the man. Period.

The Police were Polite and Professional at all times - Therefore no Harassment.

About 12 minutes from beginning to end - Traffic stops can last longer. - Again: Therefore no Harassment.

Not Arrested - OMG!! No Harassment!!


And I didn't say the laws of Texas were relevant to this case. However, that little fact does make you look like quite the ass since you have argued the Right to Open Carry is constitutionally protected... except.. Ummm.. you know.. except you can't do that in Texas.. Yeah...


But - Thanks to the Texas Crew we know that Sand does indeed infest many Vaginas in The Lone Star State!!

 

[Zebo]

How bout these Philly tards.

I hope these cops get killed.

That cop was a fuckin idiot, like a criminal would open carry. But that's not what it's about is it? I think big city cops view citizens as the enemy and detest law abiding armed citizen and the constitution.

 

[Zebo]

This is why people need to stop letting cops harass them. This over-reacting power tripping fascist needs to be removed from the force.

They can all be removed as far as I'm concerned. All they do is protect criminals form getting what what they deserve by good people because we don't want to go to jail.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

He was being a douche about it. Part of being a responsible gun owner is cooperating with police. There are people who carry illegally, and the cops have to investigate all reports of guns being carried whether legal or not. He was just being stupid in not showing them ID or identifying himself.

i wish we could open carry knives instead of guns. id pack my 5 in. kabar everywhere i went

You can. I carry a 4-in. pocket knife clipped on my pocket everywhere I go (except concerts and municipal buildings to avoid losing it).

 

[Scotteq]

He was being a douche about it. Part of being a responsible gun owner is cooperating with police. There are people who carry illegally, and the cops have to investigate all reports of guns being carried whether legal or not. He was just being stupid in not showing them ID or identifying himself.

Thank You


To think - This entire stupid argument was because I opined that presenting ID wasn't a big deal...

 

[xj0hnx]

404 - Harassment Not Found


The Police had clear cause to Speak to the man. Period.

The Police were Polite and Professional at all times - Therefore no Harassment.

About 12 minutes from beginning to end - Traffic stops can last longer. - Again: Therefore no Harassment.

Not Arrested - OMG!! No Harassment!!

Sorry, but detaining someone, and running their ID without probable cause is pretty much the definition of harassment. Someone complaining about something doesn't magically make it a crime, for instance, I find pony boy's infatuation with little girls cartoon disturbing, and I can call the cops and tell them that it's disturbing me, but guess what, it's not a crime for him to like little girls cartoons, and would be an infringement on his rights to be detained, and have to show his papers because I complained about it.

And I didn't say the laws of Texas were relevant to this case. However, that little fact does make you look like quite the ass since you have argued the Right to Open Carry is constitutionally protected... except.. Ummm.. you know.. except you can't do that in Texas.. Yeah...


But - Thanks to the Texas Crew we know that Sand does indeed infest many Vaginas in The Lone Star State!!

Wow, so now we can't discuss people's rights in other locations? Wow, you are really reaching for anything aren't you? Would you like to talk about Texas, and Texas gun laws? I oppose not being able to open carry here to if that makes you feel any better.

 

[Zebo]

He was being a douche about it. Part of being a responsible gun owner is cooperating with police. There are people who carry illegally, and the cops have to investigate all reports of guns being carried whether legal or not. He was just being stupid in not showing them ID or identifying himself.

You can. I carry a 4-in. pocket knife clipped on my pocket everywhere I go (except concerts and municipal buildings to avoid losing it).

What? Why do they have to investigate? That's like saying cops have to investigate someone preaching. If I were 911 I'd ask if they are shooting anyone, no? Then what's the problem.

 

[DominionSeraph]

Watching you pretend you're smart, or clever is endlessly entertaining for me.

And here we have an output of the Dunning–Kruger effect. You are SO bad at thinking that you can't even process how bad you are, leading you to think that you are smart enough to grasp me. You put full faith in these interpretations, and then base judgments off those interpretations.

That you can't align my presentation of smart with your perception of "smart" isn't because I'm pretending, it's because you're too stupid to assemble what I present when I deign to expound. (Not that I do that very often around here. Pearls before swine and all.)

I exist in a realm that is far wider than your narrow field of view. The particulars of how you're assembling the data you have available to you down there in Flatland don't prescribe the contents of the higher dimensions, Einstein.

inb4 xj0hnx one-liner, "one line" being the limit of what you can grasp at any one time.

 

[xj0hnx]

He was being a douche about it. Part of being a responsible gun owner is cooperating with police. There are people who carry illegally, and the cops have to investigate all reports of guns being carried whether legal or not. He was just being stupid in not showing them ID or identifying himself.

People who are carrying illegally tend to you know, hide their gun, not wear it on their hip, openly for the cops to see. How was he "being stupid" by not doing something he isn't required to do? Guess what, Maine is not a Stop and Identify state, and it's completely legal to open carry. Regardless of if someone complained about it, he was not breaking a single law.

From Maine's Constitution ...

Article I, Section 16

Every citizen has a right to keep and bear arms and this right shall never be questioned.

 

[Scotteq]

Sorry, but detaining someone, and running their ID without probable cause is pretty much the definition of harassment. Someone complaining about something doesn't magically make it a crime, for instance, I find pony boy's infatuation with little girls cartoon disturbing, and I can call the cops and tell them that it's disturbing me, but guess what, it's not a crime for him to like little girls cartoons, and would be an infringement on his rights to be detained, and have to show his papers because I complained about it.



Wow, so now we can't discuss people's rights in other locations? Wow, you are really reaching for anything aren't you? Would you like to talk about Texas, and Texas gun laws? I oppose not being able to open carry here to if that makes you feel any better.

The Probable Cause is the Complaint The Police Received About A Man With A Gun. That gives the Police the right to do a field investigation. Which they did - Politely and Professionally, in the face of a Troll with a tape recorder.

They didn't find a crime, so they let him go.

Gee... Amazing how that works.



And you can talk about other states: I just find it amusing you're holding others to standards which your own state doesn't have.

 

[xj0hnx]

leading you to think that you are smart enough to grasp me.

There's nothing to "grasp", you're just another pseudo-intellectual nobody, you aren't even a good pseudo-intellectual, you're not witty, or funny, and nothing you say is thought provoking in the least. I've known many like you, mostly everyone around them just laughed at them, and their sad little delusions of grandeur.

 

[Scotteq]

What? Why do they have to investigate? That's like saying cops have to investigate someone preaching. If I were 911 I'd ask if they are shooting anyone, no? Then what's the problem.

The Police have to investigate because they received a complaint from another citizen about a man with a gun.

From there - They conducted a field investigation in the face of an uncooperative troll with a tape recorder, and let him go.

The link to the conversation is in the OP.

 

[Scotteq]

There's nothing to "grasp", you're just another pseudo-intellectual nobody, you aren't even a good pseudo-intellectual, you're not witty, or funny, and nothing you say is thought provoking in the least. I've known many like you, mostly everyone around them just laughed at them, and their sad little delusions of grandeur.

This is funny, coming from an idiot who can't even grasp the concept that a complaint gives police probable cause to conduct a field investigation...

 

[xj0hnx]

The Probable Cause is the Complaint The Police Received About A Man With A Gun. That gives the Police the right to do a field investigation. Which they did - Politely and Professionally, in the face of a Troll with a tape recorder.

They didn't find a crime, so they let him go.

After detaining him, and trying to get him to do something he wasn't legally obligated to do. Maine isn't a stop and identify state, and open carry is legal, as soon as they saw he was minding his own business, not doing anything they should have let it go.

And you can talk about other states: I just find it amusing you're holding others to standards which your own state doesn't have.

Only in the face of failure could you find relevance in that, but whatever.

 

[xj0hnx]

This is funny, coming from an idiot who can't even grasp the concept that a complaint gives police probable cause to conduct a field investigation...

"Field investigation", LOL. Dude, get over yourself. The cops had no reason to stop and detain him, IT ISN'T A FUCKING CRIME TO OPEN CARRY IN MAINE. It doesn't matter if some little old lady got her panties in a bunch because someone was carrying a scary handgun, there was no crime being committed, there was nothing to "investigate". You are really fucking dense. Grasping at anything to avoid the lack of validity in your position, dance it up.

 

[Scotteq]

"Field and investigation", LOL. Dude, get over yourself. The cops had no reason to stop and detain him, IT ISN'T A FUCKING CRIME TO OPEN CARRY IN MAINE. It doesn't matter if some little old lady got her panties in a bunch because someone was carrying a scary handgun, there was no crime being committed, there was nothing to "investigate". You are really fucking dense.

Correct - It isn't a crime - So the Police let him go after they conducted their Field Investigation.

Gee - That's Too Fucking Hard to Understand

 

[Zebo]

The Police have to investigate because they received a complaint from another citizen about a man with a gun.

From there - They conducted a field investigation in the face of an uncooperative troll with a tape recorder, and let him go.

The link to the conversation is in the OP.

So he may as well have a book in his hand. Having a gun is a right. No need to investigate unless he's hitting someone with the book or shooting them with the gun.

 

[Scotteq]

So he may as well have a book in his hand. Having a gun is a right. No need to investigate.

the police have to investigate when they receive a complaint


Why do NONE of you assholes acknowledge this?

Oh Yeah - because to do so would invalidate your arguments, and you're too busy being dicks.

 

[Zebo]

the police have to investigate when they receive a complaint


Why do NONE of you assholes acknowledge this?

Right..call police and say someone has a book see what they say.

 

[Scotteq]

Right..call police and say someone has a book see what they say.

Haa haa haa


A book isn't a fucking Firearm. Stop being stupid.


If the complaint was about a guy with a Baseball Bat, the Police would conduct a Field Investigation then, too. Those are Legal...

 

[Infohawk]

So he may as well have a book in his hand. Having a gun is a right. No need to investigate unless he's hitting someone with the book or shooting them with the gun.

You may not agree with the Supreme Court but gun ownership can be regulated. A licensing scheme is legal. Checking ID is obviously going to be part of this scheme.