Open Call – It is Time to Fix or Replace the Republican Party

[Jhhnn]

Does your party support Civil Asset Forfeiture? <-- I knew he could never reply to this


like Tom Stayer and Kat Taylor for example?

I don't think so. Individual Dems may or may not. I certainly don't, not the way it's often implemented.

I won't be digging thru the current party platform platform to encourage further diversions from you, in any case.

It's utterly immaterial to the topic at hand.

 

[TheSlamma]

I don't think so. Individual Dems may or may not. I certainly don't, not the way it's often implemented.

I won't be digging thru the current party platform platform to encourage further diversions from you, in any case.

It's utterly immaterial to the topic at hand.

You don't have to dig, just go right to your attorney general.

But hey I know having to acknowledging anything bad about your party makes you uncomfortable so we can move on. ()

 

[Jhhnn]

Responses in Bold.

My main point is the system is broken both sides are nearly the same even though there are some differences, whats actually legislated is weak version of what should be, because the system is broken.

You don't actually contest any of what I offered and choose to view it all in as negative a light as possible, right?

I'd further suggest that you remember who has vowed to break the system even more & who tries to make it work better. In that is a huge part of the reason it's as broken as it is.

As Moonbeam offers, sometimes the greater evil is so much greater that voting against it is an act of self defense regardless of who you actually vote for.

Cthulhu & maybe not Cthulhu- take your pick.

 

[TheSlamma]

You don't actually contest any of what I offered and choose to view it all in as negative a light as possible, right?

I'd further suggest that you remember who has vowed to break the system even more & who tries to make it work better. In that is a huge part of the reason it's as broken as it is.

As Moonbeam offers, sometimes the greater evil is so much greater that voting against it is an act of self defense regardless of who you actually vote for.

Cthulhu & maybe not Cthulhu- take your pick.

Highlighted.. good to see deep down you know it's at best maybe.

The only reason you are holding Moonbeams posts as a measurement is because it supports your party. Doesn't make it right, they are just angry rants that at least acknowledge the system is broken, but then just fight all progressive thought of trying to move the system forward out of pure fear.

That same fear and bias prevents you guys from contacting your own party officials and calling them out when they go against the beliefs your party claims to have.

 

[Moonbeam]

My votes belong to the machine? Talk about self hate, no little pimple, YOUR votes belong to the machine, no wonder you are so mad.

Third party voters like you caused Bush to win but I'm the one who is crazy. Ordinarily that level of reality denial is called insanity.

We need to destroy the two party system, vote for Ralph Nader.

The reason that every third party vote is a waste is because there are no viable third parties and the reason there are not is because there can't be any under the current system. You think you can defy reality Nader thought we deserved Bush because Gore wasn't liberal enough. Spoilers are the only kinds of third parties that form. Go eat your worms. You are too childish to accept the fact that all your desire to change the system from within has no upside and a dangerous downside period, end of story.

 

[werepossum]

Well . . . On the positive side, Moonie finally found a cause he felt strongly enough to stop trumpeting his superiority for a whole post. Granted, it was the opportunity to call yet more people crazy - in this case, everyone who doesn't toe the Democrat Party line - but at least he's accusing people of a different kind of crazy. I suspect someone's going to get a hug in group!

 

[Moonbeam]

You don't actually contest any of what I offered and choose to view it all in as negative a light as possible, right?

I'd further suggest that you remember who has vowed to break the system even more & who tries to make it work better. In that is a huge part of the reason it's as broken as it is.

As Moonbeam offers, sometimes the greater evil is so much greater that voting against it is an act of self defense regardless of who you actually vote for.

Cthulhu & maybe not Cthulhu- take your pick.

These people are egotists who can't imagine voting for any kind of evil even if not doing so would cause a greater evil to come into power. They are too self important to see themselves as voting for anything but the pure. They hide in their ivory towers of political purity as the fuck the world. They are moral cowards.

 

[Moonbeam]

Well . . . On the positive side, Moonie finally found a cause he felt strongly enough to stop trumpeting his superiority for a whole post. Granted, it was the opportunity to call yet more people crazy - in this case, everyone who doesn't toe the Democrat Party line - but at least he's accusing people of a different kind of crazy. I suspect someone's going to get a hug in group!

You realize, I hope that all your concerns about me thinking I'm superior are there because you feel you are in some sort of contest with me because you already came into this feeling inferior. I will always look to you as if I am superior because you feel this way. I, on the other hand, am so used to how fantastic I am, that it never even occurs to me how superior I am until you poor sad sacks remind me. Feel better now, Mr. Nobody.

 

[soulcougher73]

I agree, it is absolutely time to replace the republican party...

with a real Christian Party, with a real backbone.
Time to turn this nation around back to its Christian roots and heritage.

I want a party with no compromise and set right a hundred years of inexcusable secularization and bastardization of our government by the left.

Only as a Christian Nation will this nation survive the next century.

 

[Jhhnn]

You don't have to dig, just go right to your attorney general.

But hey I know having to acknowledging anything bad about your party makes you uncomfortable so we can move on. ()

Ask any AG since the invention of civil forfeiture, they'll likely all say the same thing. To my knowledge, only one in history has moved to limit it at all, that being Eric Holder.

Not good enough? Better than your team, cowboy.

 

[werepossum]

You realize, I hope that all your concerns about me thinking I'm superior are there because you feel you are in some sort of contest with me because you already came into this feeling inferior. I will always look to you as if I am superior because you feel this way. I, on the other hand, am so used to how fantastic I am, that it never even occurs to me how superior I am until you poor sad sacks remind me. Feel better now, Mr. Nobody.

Ask any AG since the invention of civil forfeiture, they'll likely all say the same thing. To my knowledge, only one in history has moved to limit it at all, that being Eric Holder.

Not good enough? Better than your team, cowboy.

lol Dude! Eric Holder didn't move to limit it, he moved to make sure he got his cut. No civil forfeiture on a state or local level using federal law unless the federal government is part of it. As far as expanding or protecting liberty that was all smoke and mirrors. Except there was no smoke. Or mirrors.
Corrected below.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol Dude! Eric Holder didn't move to limit it, he moved to make sure he got his cut. No civil forfeiture on a state or local level using federal law unless the federal government is part of it. As far as expanding or protecting liberty that was all smoke and mirrors. Except there was no smoke. Or mirrors.

At best, you apparently believe in things that aren't true-

https://www.google.com/search?q=Holder+limits+civil+forfeiture&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

If you cop to being mistaken, nobody will take you for a liar.

 

[werepossum]

At best, you apparently believe in things that aren't true-

https://www.google.com/search?q=Holder+limits+civil+forfeiture&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

If you cop to being mistaken, nobody will take you for a liar.

Yep, you are correct and I was wrong.

Kudos to you, Holder and Obama.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

The Dems and GOP both need to exist so we can hopefully meet somewhere in the middle and make compromises (and laugh at the extremists on both sdes in the process). If not we end up with a place like P&N where some people swear fealty to one side or the other and create abhorrent ugliness in the process.

Thankfully, the political spectrum has a respectable number of Independents who have enough power to provide a bit of reason between the two moronic sides, each of which seems to believe they are the proper answer to all political and social ills.

 

[Moonbeam]

The Dems and GOP both need to exist so we can hopefully meet somewhere in the middle and make compromises (and laugh at the extremists on both sdes in the process). If not we end up with a place like P&N where some people swear fealty to one side or the other and create abhorrent ugliness in the process.

Thankfully, the political spectrum has a respectable number of Independents who have enough power to provide a bit of reason between the two moronic sides, each of which seems to believe they are the proper answer to all political and social ills.

How abhorrently ugly of you to hold this religious opinion that there is a middle that isn't moronic or extreme. That's just another lunatic extreme idea. 14 degrees left of center is where compromise should happen and that's about two hairs past a freckle.

 

[Zorkorist]

We've been quite Liberal since Reagan.

About time for a good solid Conservative or Libertarian.

-John

 

[nickqt]

We've been quite Liberal since Reagan.

About time for a good solid Conservative or Libertarian.

-John

The average Democrat here in Empire Proper would identify as a conservative in just about any western country you'd feel comfortable living in for longer than a week.

 

[mikeymikec]

god&#8217;s law, we are told, supersedes man&#8217;s law.

I wonder how a political party (who I assume will actually form a government at some point in the future) can effectively function with the opposite point of view in mind (ie. God's law supersede's man's law).

IMO it has the following options open to it:

1) Treat it with a generous serving of hypocrisy (ie. ignoring this statement whenever it suits them)

2) Having to pander to every idiot's "religious interpretation" and "God told me to do it" justification as they could be representing "God's law".

3) Embrace the point of view completely and claim that God speaks to them only and that's how they govern.

There's a quote from Dune that I think is quite appropriate:
"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows".

 

[Jhhnn]

That plus a smaller, less powerful government is less of a threat to corporations. Today's federal government routinely writes winners and losers into laws. That is a legitimate threat, and management has a fiduciary duty to stockholders to mitigate that threat and maximize profit. Problem is that a government small and limited enough to not threaten corporations probably can't police those corporations.

Yeh, govt routinely tries to make losers of the slavers, usurers, fraudsters, monopolists & purveyors of medical quackery to name a few.

Prior to the resurgence of Right-think in this country, corporations were held to have greater responsibility to the people than mere profit. We called it the New Deal. They still are in many nations.

 

[Jhhnn]

I wonder how a political party (who I assume will actually form a government at some point in the future) can effectively function with the opposite point of view in mind (ie. God's law supersede's man's law).

IMO it has the following options open to it:

1) Treat it with a generous serving of hypocrisy (ie. ignoring this statement whenever it suits them)

2) Having to pander to every idiot's "religious interpretation" and "God told me to do it" justification as they could be representing "God's law".

3) Embrace the point of view completely and claim that God speaks to them only and that's how they govern.

There's a quote from Dune that I think is quite appropriate:
"When religion and politics ride in the same cart, the whirlwind follows".

"God's Law" is no more than what some long ago goat herders claimed it to be, reinterpreted to serve the moralistic purposes of modern day authoritarians. It's the threat of eternal damnation & the refuge of intellectual cowards.

 

[soundforbjt]

We've been quite Liberal since Reagan.

About time for a good solid Conservative or Libertarian.

-John

Reagan was way more liberal than the current crop of Repubs...

 

[TheSlamma]

Ask any AG since the invention of civil forfeiture, they'll likely all say the same thing. To my knowledge, only one in history has moved to limit it at all, that being Eric Holder.

Not good enough? Better than your team, cowboy.

And every AG that supports it can suck it. Thanks for making my point though that again both of your parties don't help.

My team? oh you mean middle class Americans? Yeah I know we are getting destroyed by the Dems and Reps you got that right, glad you feel better your team is beating mine.

 

[TheSlamma]

Third party voters like you caused Bush to win but I'm the one who is crazy. Ordinarily that level of reality denial is called insanity.

We need to destroy the two party system, vote for Ralph Nader.

The reason that every third party vote is a waste is because there are no viable third parties and the reason there are not is because there can't be any under the current system. You think you can defy reality Nader thought we deserved Bush because Gore wasn't liberal enough. Spoilers are the only kinds of third parties that form. Go eat your worms. You are too childish to accept the fact that all your desire to change the system from within has no upside and a dangerous downside period, end of story.

Did I call you crazy?

Hey if your worthless party wants to get Sanders through the primaries then he'll get my vote. But we already know who you will get up there.

Aren't I supposed to vote for the person who represents me? Isn't that how this republic works? You are basically grilling me for not voting for my best interests. My interests are:

1: to not send our jobs overseas to sweat shop labor, an activity that is illegal here in the US.

2: To not be spied on by the NSA

3: To not give out personal OR corporate welfare

So those being said why would I vote for Jeb or Hillary?

 

[marvdmartian]

I'd say it's past time to replace BOTH parties. If you truly believe that one is more honest or trustworthy than the other, you're just delusional.

 

[soundforbjt]

Did I call you crazy?

Hey if your worthless party wants to get Sanders through the primaries then he'll get my vote. But we already know who you will get up there.

Aren't I supposed to vote for the person who represents me? Isn't that how this republic works? You are basically grilling me for not voting for my best interests. My interests are:

1: to not send our jobs overseas to sweat shop labor, an activity that is illegal here in the US.

2: To not be spied on by the NSA

3: To not give out personal OR corporate welfare

So those being said why would I vote for Jeb or Hillary?

You'll probably not going to vote in any election since NO candidate has those values.