Open Call – It is Time to Fix or Replace the Republican Party

[Victorian Gray]

Take a look in the mirror. You rip on people while doing exactly the same thing.

Gov. Haley is still waiting to hear if you support Ann Coulter's comments about her.

 

[MongGrel]

And yes the republicans are bigots on gay marriage.

Obama never ever said that marriage should be between just a man and a woman. Nope, never said that. /s

Hilliary never said that either. Nope. Never ever. Its just those evil uneducated republicans.

I actually agree myself.

Still should be called civil unions in my mind, but that would complicate paperwork really.

Grow up and get over your shit.

 

[Jhhnn]

And yes the republicans are bigots on gay marriage.

Obama never ever said that marriage should be between just a man and a woman. Nope, never said that. /s

Hilliary never said that either. Nope. Never ever. Its just those evil uneducated republicans.

Some people can open their hearts & change for the better, others not so much.

 

[werepossum]

Get big money out of politics and the playing field will get leveled a bit, such that the Repubs, who are ever more reliant on that bottomless pit of cash that the very rich is gifting them with, will have to turn to the middle class and the poor to keep them in office. Same goes for those DINO's in the Dem Party.

The power of government should be wielded by the vast majority instead of the select few that somehow anointed themselves the CEO's of our government. The moment they realized that it's much easier to simply buy a politician and some Supreme Court judges than to buy a shitload of votes is when our nation took a nasty turn for the worse. That those corrupt judges then gave the very rich even more power and influence by deciding in favor of them in Citizens United was, in effect, the friendly confirming reach-around those rich-ass buggers were demanding and got.

IMO, all that we're seeing now in gov't is how those folks who have positioned themselves into being the handlers and managers of our politicians want to concentrate and lock in that influence and power they've managed to scam their way into possessing. That precludes the middle class and the poor from ever having the power over government they enjoyed when the middle class rose to prominence back in the late 40's and 50's.

Therein lies the struggle. Therein lies the problem that for the most part the GOP has become in the way of preventing the middle class and the poor from ascending that ladder of success toward better lives for themselves and their children.

Gee, maybe Hilary will use some of her billion dollar warchest to help us get the money out of politics!

Doesn't help when folks like you keep claiming "It's both those damn parties!" ("but I'm only ever going to actually complain about one of those parties").

Dude, if you feel BoberFett only complains about one party then you need to have your meds changed, 'cause they are preventing you for forming long term memories.

And yes the republicans are bigots on gay marriage.

Obama never ever said that marriage should be between just a man and a woman. Nope, never said that. /s

Hilliary never said that either. Nope. Never ever. Its just those evil uneducated republicans.

I think everyone knew that Obama and Hillary were simply lying politicians, whereas considering that Republicans are STILL saying that now that it's settled law and politically a losing proposition . . . Well, at some point one cannot help but wonder if they might really mean it this time.

Shit, normally I'd rejoice at the idea that a politician might have an actual core belief, but if this is what one looks like, I'll pass.

 

[nickqt]

I'm actually for carpetbagging the Republican party.

It would probably work best in the north, but it's worth keeping around as a party to keep a check on changes, which it used to do fairly well until the mid 60s. Now they're just reactionary - whatever the Democratic party is for they're against, because freedom.

 

[michal1980]

Some people can open their hearts & change for the better, others not so much.

LOL.

More like liberals will say whatever the have too to get elected.

 

[zinfamous]

LOL.

More like liberals will say whatever the have too to get elected.

are you fucking serious?

 

[nickqt]

are you fucking serious?

You're quoting someone whose entire posting ability is the following:

"liberal + denigration".

That is all it has. Every post.

Just laugh and point. Arguing with it means you lose.

 

[michal1980]

LOL.

More like liberals will say whatever the have too to get elected.

are you fucking serious?

Of course I believe that.

Obama in 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

Clinton 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3huRVrckY8


They sound just like the republicans you hate.

 

[brycejones]

LOL.

More like liberals will say whatever the have too to get elected.

Scarecrow:

Do you support what Ann said about Gov Haley?

 

[Jhhnn]

Of course I believe that.

Obama in 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6K9dS9wl7U

Clinton 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3huRVrckY8


They sound just like the republicans you hate.

You are truly delusional. Neither claimed to be morally offended by 2 icky gays getting married. Neither used biblical reference to rail against it. Neither came out against gay marriage, merely stated what they wanted to accomplish at the time, particularly Hillary.

Obama came out strongly in favor of gay marriage when he & Holder refused to defend DOMA in the federal court system way back in 2011-

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...efense-of-marriage-act-gay-rights-105794.html

Your self sealing bubble does seem to be completely impermeable, however. I wonder how air gets in there.

 

[ivwshane]

You are truly delusional. Neither claimed to be morally offended by 2 icky gays getting married. Neither used biblical reference to rail against it. Neither came out against gay marriage, merely stated what they wanted to accomplish at the time, particularly Hillary.

Obama came out strongly in favor of gay marriage when he & Holder refused to defend DOMA in the federal court system way back in 2011-

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...efense-of-marriage-act-gay-rights-105794.html

Your self sealing bubble does seem to be completely impermeable, however. I wonder how air gets in there.

Farts...

 

[Charmonium]

Republicans need to abandon their social agenda and do battle on what have historically been their strong suits - fiscal conservatism, national defense and states rights. The country as a whole has moved past the social issues like gay marriage, abortion and even immigration. They are now supporting minority views on these and other issues. That may be a fairly large minority but it shifts every day toward more liberal views. That's just a fact.

All you have to do is start comparing polls from even just 5 years ago to see how dramatically the country as a whole has moved away from some of the reps "core" beliefs. They still have an advantage due to the gerrymanding after the 2010 census but they are squandering that advantage by proposing largely minority views.

And while many people may not like social programs like Obamacare and extended unemployment benefits, the fact of the matter is that such programs and many others like them have benefited millions of people. That's stuff people remember when they vote. So Obama has literally bought a lot of good will for whoever the next dem candidate is. You don't counter that sort of advantage by beating on long dead issues.

I think the single strongest argument the reps can make is that they would change the character of the Supreme Court. The problem with that though is that it's not going to win you many votes. The average person just doesn't give a shit.

 

[Indus]

Republicans need to abandon their social agenda and do battle on what have historically been their strong suits - fiscal conservatism, national defense and states rights. The country as a whole has moved past the social issues like gay marriage, abortion and even immigration. They are now supporting minority views on these and other issues. That may be a fairly large minority but it shifts every day toward more liberal views. That's just a fact.

All you have to do is start comparing polls from even just 5 years ago to see how dramatically the country as a whole has moved away from some of the reps "core" beliefs. They still have an advantage due to the gerrymanding after the 2010 census but they are squandering that advantage by proposing largely minority views.

And while many people may not like social programs like Obamacare and extended unemployment benefits, the fact of the matter is that such programs and many others like them have benefited millions of people. That's stuff people remember when they vote. So Obama has literally bought a lot of good will for whoever the next dem candidate is. You don't counter that sort of advantage by beating on long dead issues.

I think the single strongest argument the reps can make is that they would change the character of the Supreme Court. The problem with that though is that it's not going to win you many votes. The average person just doesn't give a shit.

I think most don't even care about national defense or states rights that much anymore outside of the South, and the supreme court is at the height of it's approval by the people imho, just like after the bush v gore and it was the depth of disapproval.

I still don't like the citizens united decision though but what can you do besides a constitutional amendment. That's the only way to reverse SCOTUS decisions that're dreadful like the Dred Scot case.

 

[ivwshane]

Republicans need to abandon their social agenda and do battle on what have historically been their strong suits - fiscal conservatism, national defense and states rights. The country as a whole has moved past the social issues like gay marriage, abortion and even immigration. They are now supporting minority views on these and other issues. That may be a fairly large minority but it shifts every day toward more liberal views. That's just a fact.

All you have to do is start comparing polls from even just 5 years ago to see how dramatically the country as a whole has moved away from some of the reps "core" beliefs. They still have an advantage due to the gerrymanding after the 2010 census but they are squandering that advantage by proposing largely minority views.

And while many people may not like social programs like Obamacare and extended unemployment benefits, the fact of the matter is that such programs and many others like them have benefited millions of people. That's stuff people remember when they vote. So Obama has literally bought a lot of good will for whoever the next dem candidate is. You don't counter that sort of advantage by beating on long dead issues.

I think the single strongest argument the reps can make is that they would change the character of the Supreme Court. The problem with that though is that it's not going to win you many votes. The average person just doesn't give a shit.

Is that really their strong suit now? Their policies have not only been proven failures (see kansas, Louisiana, or New Jersey) but historically their policies have led to anything but a fiscal government let alone a smaller government (and that's ignoring their policies of which have led to more government intrusion into people's lives).

Quite simply put, the republicans don't have a leg to stand on except for appealing to their base and this is evident in their politics of the last few years (their politics consist of complaining and hyperbole with ZERO solutions to any problems your average American cares about.

Having said all that, if dems can't get people to the polls then it won't matter what the repubs run on, they'll win because republican voters do come out and vote.

 

[nickqt]

Republicans need to abandon their social agenda and do battle on what have historically been their strong suits - fiscal conservatism, national defense and states rights. The country as a whole has moved past the social issues like gay marriage, abortion and even immigration. They are now supporting minority views on these and other issues. That may be a fairly large minority but it shifts every day toward more liberal views. That's just a fact.

All you have to do is start comparing polls from even just 5 years ago to see how dramatically the country as a whole has moved away from some of the reps "core" beliefs. They still have an advantage due to the gerrymanding after the 2010 census but they are squandering that advantage by proposing largely minority views.

And while many people may not like social programs like Obamacare and extended unemployment benefits, the fact of the matter is that such programs and many others like them have benefited millions of people. That's stuff people remember when they vote. So Obama has literally bought a lot of good will for whoever the next dem candidate is. You don't counter that sort of advantage by beating on long dead issues.

I think the single strongest argument the reps can make is that they would change the character of the Supreme Court. The problem with that though is that it's not going to win you many votes. The average person just doesn't give a shit.

Telling Republicans to "abandon their social agenda" amounts to telling the Republican party to tell their base to stay home and shut up.

 

[BoberFett]

Doesn't help when folks like you keep claiming "It's both those damn parties!" ("but I'm only ever going to actually complain about one of those parties").

Says one of the cheerleaders who only ever says bad things about one party. You and the rest of the sycophants around here have no room to talk.

 

[BoberFett]

hyperbole is hyperbole is hyperbole. And, once again, mention both parties in passing while only condemning one. Keep up the good work.

Most of this forum does nothing but bash Republicans while pretending Democrats are saints. What color is the sky in your world?

 

[BoberFett]

Yeh, needs a little Benghazi, or something.

HERP DERP! Here comes Jhmhnhnbn to vomit up his typical hairball.

 

[Indus]

What color is the sky in your world?

Depends on the white balance and time of day.

 

[BoberFett]

You are truly delusional. Neither claimed to be morally offended by 2 icky gays getting married. Neither used biblical reference to rail against it. Neither came out against gay marriage, merely stated what they wanted to accomplish at the time, particularly Hillary.

Obama came out strongly in favor of gay marriage when he & Holder refused to defend DOMA in the federal court system way back in 2011-

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/...efense-of-marriage-act-gay-rights-105794.html

Your self sealing bubble does seem to be completely impermeable, however. I wonder how air gets in there.

Spin, spin, spin.

A CEO of a company - not the president or president hopeful of the US - was found to have donated to an anti-gay marriage cause many years ago, liberals wanted his head on a pike.

Obama and Hillary? Nah, we'll let that slide. Those pigs are more equal than Republican pigs.

 

[trenchfoot]

Your post has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

I found it rather amusing that your own partisanship saw partisanship in my post when I really don't see myself as a "partisan", nor do I think there was anything "partisan" about my post to begin with. Weird.

And, I thought I addressed how the Repub Party could fix itself as well as the body politic in general. I have to assume that your own partisanship also must have made you miss that too.

Gee, maybe Hilary will use some of her billion dollar warchest to help us get the money out of politics!

I think I made that point adequately where I had put the DINO's in the same boat as the Repubs where Hillary is, as far as I'm concerned, a typical very well-to-do corporatist that just so happens to have found a nice little niche for herself in the Dem Party, with Obama being just a few shades to the left of her. Both of their rhetoric speaks to protecting the middle class and the poor, but their actions speak a whole different story where they "gave" to the Repubs a whole lot more than they "got in return" from a purely economic point of view, but covered that all up well with their efforts on social issues.

But! Your point is well taken and understood.

 

[Indus]

Most of this forum does nothing but bash Republicans while pretending Democrats are saints.

Yes because all they do is obstruct blame and fan the hate.

They have had 0 solutions since Eisenhower came up with 90% progressive tax on the rich (those making $200,000 in 1950's) and used it to build our infrastructure which still exists to this day.

Since then what have they done?

Try and scare people with russkies, muslims, god and immigrants?

Where are their ideas? Or it's just we want to take our country back to when there no internet and cable tv, so just the right wing media newspapers and churches controlled all the knowledge?

Oh and lets not forget trying to rape male congressional aides while pretending to be anti-gay. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[Victorian Gray]

Says one of the cheerleaders who only ever says bad things about one party. You and the rest of the sycophants around here have no room to talk.

You are such a clown. Do you even know who you're communicating with?

We've had this dance before. You accuse me of being an Obama/Democratic Party lover and I gently remind you that no, no I'm not. I have no liking for either the party or the man and have said so in this forum many times while discussing any number of different issues (and have reminded you every time you pull this stunt). And then, I don't get a reply from you. And so it goes.

So, shall we start this clown dance again? As you're the clown, you can lead this time.

Edit (the next day):

And you did not disappoint. Gone with the wind.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Most of this forum does nothing but bash Republicans while pretending Democrats are saints. What color is the sky in your world?

1) hahahaha

2) depends on whether it's night or day.