Originally posted by: TGS
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
You miss the point as I knew you would.
I'll try to clear these "Facts" up for you.
Facts:
They come illegally.
The more illegals are in the area, the more crime goes up. Go figure.
As the same happens when you have more people in any one location, this is not tied to immigrants specifically
I've seen it with my own eyes in several locations. Deflect all you want,
but I KNOW BETTER.
They come here against the majority of americans wishes.
These would be the people that send in bricks to politicians? Is it wrong to want to move to the US all of a sudden? You'll never answer why you believe that we immigrants aren't "wanted or needed"
There is something wrong someplace if the MAJORITY of Americans don't want ILLEGAL immigration.
It isn't the right of non-citizens to decide what they want to do with our country. You can't seem to get that through your head. They can try sneak in if they like, but then I say hey, they broke a law, let's throw them in jail and put them to work building the fence that will keep them out. Don't try and tell me we can't mange this problem if we want to.
They drain our system of it's resources.
Just like many current US citizens do on a daily basis.
They were born here, where do you want to deport them too?? :laugh:
This is just another example of your selective vison.
They can make money that seems like Big Bucks to them and send as much money as they can save to be invested in Mexico. I beleive illegals in the USA is the biggest sorce of income for Mexico right now.
So if people make money in the US, it's now your right to tell people where their earned money goes? I'll be the first to state, that your paycheck needs to be desposited into my bank account. It's a US based bank so you should have no problem making that transfer 
Rationalize all you like, you have no point.
My point is they have investments back home that CAN"T BE TOUCHED after they run up a hospital bill, injure someone in an accident, or just skip out without paying a bill. The more money they can send out of the country the more aid from the taxpayer they will quailfy for. That's not real fair to the US citizen, but what do you care about them, right!!!
After working in the US for 20 years they can retire in style in their home country. However the low wage earner in the US is stuck living here. Mexico is even talking about giving them tax breaks for building a home back in Mexico. Immigrating to Mexico isn't an option for us.
So you blame mexico for having a cheaper cost of living? Should people living in CA or NY blame those in MS or AL for having a cheaper cost of living? I've moved here from CA and I can live like a king on a decent wage, whereas I would have to live in a 1-2 bedroom apartment, based on the the cost of living disparity. In the broad perspective it's called globalization. You can't have it an expect foreign governments to raise wages and standards of work to match ours. They continue to exploit workers to maximize profits and lure in new foriegn investments.
You see, I come from an area with a very cheap cost of living. Illegal workers are drawing down wages all over the country and the people around here don't have the option of retiring anyplace but here, but of course you could GIVE A ****** ABOUT THOSE PEOPLE. If your only worried about the illegals, well fvck off then!! I hope that position is easy enough for you to understand.
If they cause an accident, knock up the neighbor girl, get in trouble with the law, whatever, they can just skip out of town and we have no way of tracking them.
Just the same as any other criminal can.
So you admit they are criminals.
I had a neighbor boy run into a parked car about 8 years ago. He only had liability and my car (it was for the kids to drive to school) only had liabilioty on it. It cost me $2000 to fix and he paid me part of it, then he moved and quit paying. I took him to small claims court and of course he didn't show up, so I won. I then turned it over to a collection agency and just yesterday I got a check from them. They tracked him down and garnished his wages.
If it would have been an illegal that smashed into my car I would never have recovered any of it.
DO NOT sneak in to MY country and expect me to turn the other cheek and welcome you as a friend, neighbor, and fellow citizen. I'm just not that big of a person.
Which is why I fully understood your stance from the beginning. Your ancestors came over put there name on the ledger and could get on with life. Then you turn around and make those who follow you (who has been given the rights of a citizen free and clear mind you) to jump through loops.
What happened 150 years ago in no way shape or form can be compared to what is happening now, except perhaps in your twisted, pregidous thinking. My ancestors did it legally and I have no problems with legal immigration.
Tough tittie said the kittie when the milk ran dry.
Though, unlike the caterwauling for milk, I'll try to present an arguement that doesn't involve a great deal of stereotypes and fear based mentality.
Yes, you need to avoid the sterotypes don't you, except of course the "fear based mentality" of us white folk. LMAO
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Originally posted by: SP33Demon
Taller fences and more guards buys us time to really fix the problem. Let me give you an example. If you're bleeding to death through your femoral artery, are you going to put a tourniquet on it or worry about switching professions from a movie stuntman to something safer (that wouldn't have caused the injury in the first place)? It's easy to say we need to improve policies that deter illegals, but that takes years, and by that time the problem is exacerbated tenfold.
That would work on the premise that you could make 12 million illegals disappear overnight. Strangely enough that sort of thing happened about twenty years ago.
Keep dreaming, it's not going to happen this time. Our politicians may be greedy, but they're not stupid.
Another amnesty would be the biggest mistake we could make.
Yes, they can choose a different language, I have no problem with that when they're at home and such. But if you're in a public place interacting with English speaking Americans, you should be speaking English because people fear the unknown and it breeds hate. People will make hateful assumptions such as: that person isn't speaking English, he may be an illegal or even worse, a terrorist or maybe he's talking about me and doesn't want me to know it. It breeds hate.
That's an unwarranted fear. Fear and suspicion, shouldn't be a motivator for determining if you are "one of us". It would practically beg for another McCarthy era to be at hand. I just wanted to add, making decisions about people under the guise of "Hateful assumptions" is an extremely dangerous thing. I would be more apt to deal with those individuals than those speaking another language.
Damn man, my ancestors couldn't wait to learn English. It is part of the assimilation process and showed everyone else they were serious about becoming Americans. They even did it on their own without expecting the taxpayers to hire teachers to teach them. Imagione that, they used their brains and their brawn.
I think we need more immigrants just like them instead of people who think they can BLACKMAIL us into giving them citizenship.
I just rented my farm out the other day to a big farmer. He has 16 South Africans working for him (legally). I was talking to one young man who had only been here 2 weeks and I had no problem whatsoever talking with him. He's here on a 9 month visa, but I hope he gets a chance to become alegal American if he decides he wants to. At least he can speak the language.
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