Once again this election will prove racism is a white Republican problem. 2008, 2012 and now 2020

[ch33zw1z]

Is not complicated. Having background checks for new gun purchases protects the fed firearm dealer. However, adding a check for private sales will prevent zero criminals from getting a gun. It simply places undue burden on responsible gun owners, which I'm against.

We can disagree on what is an undue burden, I have no problem with the private sales requirement. I mean, it's not even in the text.of the 2A, so should be a thing lol

 

[ch33zw1z]

No not at all. The crazy right isn't representative of the R party in general, just like the far left isn't representative of the D party.

Then you haven't been paying attention. The "crazy right" is now their mainstream. The R's have been drifting right for sometime. It's how they can elect a known racist who spouts xenophobic rhetoric constantly, while pandering to religjous nutters and white supremacists. Not all R voters are cool with that, but still voted for it for the most part. 60 million people voted for it. This same guy is also balls deep in Russia,.but who cares cuz liberal tears lol.

On the flip side, I've seen you call "the squad" the crazy left. Quite convenient that you would use a term coined by none other than the elected representative of the "crazy right" to try and both sides it. Workers rights and healthcare for all, pretty crazy stuff.

 

[soulcougher73]

Is not complicated. Having background checks for new gun purchases protects the fed firearm dealer. However, adding a check for private sales will prevent zero criminals from getting a gun. It simply places undue burden on responsible gun owners, which I'm against.

Can you explain the bolded and how it wouldn’t? Seems with no checks a criminal could buy a gun from a so called responsible gun owner with the owner being none the wiser he just sold a gun to a criminal,

 

[blackangst1]

We can disagree on what is an undue burden, I have no problem with the private sales requirement. I mean, it's not even in the text.of the 2A, so should be a thing lol

I'm fine agreeing to disagree.

 

[blackangst1]

Can you explain the bolded and how it wouldn’t? Seems with no checks a criminal could buy a gun from a so called responsible gun owner with the owner being none the wiser he just sold a gun to a criminal,

I'd that were a requirement for private sales, the onus would be on the seller to submit the background check to a FFD. If he doesn't, he would be a criminal. Do you know how easy it is to buy a gun off the street in any city?

Oh hi I'd like to buy your gun.
Sure. Let's fill out this paperwork
Uh..... No thanks.

Walks away thinking damn. I'll never get a gun.

1 to 10 how likely would this happen?

Lol

 

[blackangst1]

Then you haven't been paying attention. The "crazy right" is now their mainstream. The R's have been drifting right for sometime. It's how they can elect a known racist who spouts xenophobic rhetoric constantly, while pandering to religjous nutters and white supremacists. Not all R voters are cool with that, but still voted for it for the most part. 60 million people voted for it. This same guy is also balls deep in Russia,.but who cares cuz liberal tears lol.

On the flip side, I've seen you call "the squad" the crazy left. Quite convenient that you would use a term coined by none other than the elected representative of the "crazy right" to try and both sides it. Workers rights and healthcare for all, pretty crazy stuff.

You know the reason the left didn't nominate Bernie... Twice? He's too liberal for the majority on the left.

Or maybe it's Trump's fault. Who knows.

 

[ch33zw1z]

I'd that were a requirement for private sales, the onus would be on the seller to submit the background check to a FFD. If he doesn't, he would be a criminal. Do you know how easy it is to buy a gun off the street in any city?

Oh hi I'd like to buy your gun.
Sure. Let's fill out this paperwork
Uh..... No thanks.

Walks away thinking damn. I'll never get a gun.

1 to 10 how likely would this happen?

Lol

This is the summary of HR 8. The seller engages a licensed gun dealer to handle the sales / transfers

Shown Here:
Passed House (02/27/2019)
Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
This bill establishes new background check requirements for firearm transfers between private parties (i.e., unlicensed individuals).
Specifically, it prohibits a firearm transfer between private parties unless a licensed gun dealer, manufacturer, or importer first takes possession of the firearm to conduct a background check.
The prohibition does not apply to certain firearm transfers, such as a gift between spouses in good faith.

Asking how easy it is to "buy a gun off the street" is a red herring. Irrelevant to the bill.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You know the reason the left didn't nominate Bernie... Twice? He's too liberal for the majority on the left.

Or maybe it's Trump's fault. Who knows.

Lol wut. You're just making my case for me.

 

[blackangst1]

This is the summary of HR 8. The seller engages a licensed gun dealer to handle the sales.

Shown Here:
Passed House (02/27/2019)
Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019
This bill establishes new background check requirements for firearm transfers between private parties (i.e., unlicensed individuals).
Specifically, it prohibits a firearm transfer between private parties unless a licensed gun dealer, manufacturer, or importer first takes possession of the firearm to conduct a background check.
The prohibition does not apply to certain firearm transfers, such as a gift between spouses in good faith.

Asking how easy it is to "buy a gun off the street" is a red herring. Irrelevant to the bill.

Red herring? The fact it's toothless makes it relevant.

 

[soulcougher73]

I'd that were a requirement for private sales, the onus would be on the seller to submit the background check to a FFD. If he doesn't, he would be a criminal. Do you know how easy it is to buy a gun off the street in any city?

Oh hi I'd like to buy your gun.
Sure. Let's fill out this paperwork
Uh..... No thanks.

Walks away thinking damn. I'll never get a gun.

1 to 10 how likely would this happen?

Lol

To be honest if that was the law i think that would happen at a 10. no responsible gun owner would want to sell to a criminal that won’t fill out paper work. maybe i’m just not seeing the picture you see in your head,

 

[blackangst1]

To be honest if that was the law i think that would happen at a 10. no responsible gun owner would want to sell to a criminal that won’t fill out paper work. maybe i’m just not seeing the picture you see in your head,

And the bill isn't something at responsible gun owners. Is it?

 

[ch33zw1z]

To be honest if that was the law i think that would happen at a 10. no responsible gun owner would want to sell to a criminal that won’t fill out paper work. maybe i’m just not seeing the picture you see in your head,

It's simple IMO, he thinks because illegal gun activities happen,.it's not fair to."responsible" gun owners to have to be hassled by the government to do what they want with their guns, including selling them to whoever they want.

 

[soulcougher73]

It's simple IMO, he thinks because illegal gun activities happen,.it's not fair to."responsible" gun owners to have to be hassled by the government to do what they want with their guns, including selling them to whoever they want.

lol this is the kind of regulation a “responsible gun owner” should want. you know because it’s responsible and stuff haha

 

[ch33zw1z]

Red herring? The fact it's toothless makes it relevant.

Yup, red herring. Quick look over here at these illegal activities,.can't you see how unfair it is. What do you mean that dude I sold the gun too had.mental health issues? Oops.

If you're for mental health screenings and background checks,.HR 8 is a no brainer

 

[blackangst1]

Yup, red herring. Quick look over here at these illegal activities,.can't you see how unfair it is. What do you mean that dude I sold the gun too had.mental health issues? Oops.

If you're for mental health screenings and background checks,.HR 8 is a no brainer

Most states already require this for FFA sales.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Most states already require this for FFA sales.

And? Most isn't all. And if most states ready do, then what's the problem?

Besides, your argument was that it's an undue burden and won't change anything. Are those states that do encouraging this undue burden also? Guess so.

 

[blackangst1]

And? Most isn't all. And if most states ready do, then what's the problem?

Besides, your argument was that it's an undue burden and won't change anything. Are those states that do encouraging this undue burden also? Guess so.

Thirteen states require background checks even for private sale. IMHO it's a burden on legit gun owners.

 

[blackangst1]

We aren't required to validate license and insurance for a private car sale, and cars are deadlier than guns.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Thirteen states require background checks even for private sale. IMHO it's a burden on legit gun owners.

That's not most, not even close.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We aren't required to validate license and insurance for a private car sale, and cars are deadlier than guns.

Look at this red herring over here.

 

[blackangst1]

Look at this red herring over here.

Makes my point though

 

[ch33zw1z]

Makes my point though

No, it doesnt at all. It's meant to distract. Guns are not cars, period.

 

[blackangst1]

No, it doesnt at all. It's meant to distract. Guns are not cars, period.

We're just going to have to disagree on our perceived effectiveness of HR8. Neither one is going to change the mind of the other.

 

[ch33zw1z]

We're just going to have to disagree on our perceived effectiveness of HR8. Neither one is going to change the mind of the other.

That's fine, you've been flailing quite a bit.

 

[blackangst1]

That's fine, you've been flailing quite a bit.

As have you lol