Captante
Lifer
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I'm confused .... if you hated him you would UN-block?
I don't bother ignoring anyone on here anymore because all it does is prevent properly following threads and hide content BUT if I did it would be for the exact opposite reason.... anyone I "hated" would be top of my list to block.
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Wow that is quite the OP. TLDR to be fair.
Captante
Lifer
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DigDog
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nah, he's not a bad guy, i don't want to perma-block him. I'm just giving him a 30-day holiday, so to speak.I'm confused .... if you hated him you would UN-block?
I don't bother ignoring anyone on here anymore because all it does is prevent properly following threads and hide content BUT if I did it would be for the exact opposite reason.... anyone I "hated" would be top of my list to block.
Captante
Lifer
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I agree..... we may be in the minority around here though.
Rather then hiding everything I just scroll right on past any Moonbeam-post longer then 5-6 lines. (it's like a default TL: DR switch!)
This method cuts way back on the annoyance-factor.
BonzaiDuck
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I could not have voiced these sentiments better.
If "not American", then where are you? Somewhere among the English-speaking "Five Eyes"?
Captante
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biostud
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I actually think the topic is quite relevant, and it is always a good idea to look at the group you are a part of to see if you have blind spots, and if your behaviour is bullying those who are of a different opinion.
But with that said not all opinions carry the same weight, and to me it is very important to be distinctive about when it is an opinion/statement and when it is something
If I'm not mistaken he's (?) Dutch.
Danish, but a somewhat common American mistake mixing Danish and Dutch.
Oh, and in our next election we will probably have new right wing party, which has a leader who has gotten a prison sentence at the "rigsret" (special parliamentary judge) for lying to the parliament and has said she has done nothing wrong and would do the same again. (13 out 14 high Court judges ruled guilty), and the rest of the right wing parliament cannot wait give her a place in a possible new government. While she has been compared to Trump, she is not as far out as he is. But it shows traditional conservative values are not what they used to be.
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Captante
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Danish, but a somewhat common American mistake mixing Danish and Dutch.
Hey I was close!
(sorry)I am aware the Netherlands and Denmark are entirely different places!
cytg111
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Personal preference of course but compared to the nutters in df and nb, ill take one of her any day. Its the rise of populism, its a nut cracker. Wouldnt it be something, that the thing that is supposed to connect us all, the internet, is the very thing that ends up breaking us, social media? How is that for Irony.I actually think the topic is quite relevant, and it is always a good idea to look at the group you are a part of to see if you have blind spots, and if your behaviour is bullying those who are of a different opinion.
But with that said not all opinions carry the same weight, and to me it is very important to be distinctive about when it is an opinion/statement and when it is something
Danish, but a somewhat common American mistake mixing Danish and Dutch.
Oh, and in our next election we will probably have new right wing party, which has a leader who has gotten a prison sentence at the "rigsret" (special parliamentary judge) for lying to the parliament and has said she has done nothing wrong and would do the same again. (13 out 14 high Court judges ruled guilty), and the rest of the right wing parliament cannot wait give her a place in a possible new government. While she has been compared to Trump, she is not as far as he is.
How come that her dance with the law has been received the way it has while another, widely unpopular profession, animal cruelty for fur shut down by covid, has another politician on the ropes?
If you got the media and bucks to sell it, they can blast it right into our minds.
biostud
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No problem, I don't think I would do very well if I had to place all the states in US on a map, and I would also have trouble with some of the Eastern European countries too.Hey I was close!
I am aware the Netherlands and Denmark are entirely different places!
And I'm not under the impression that your knowledge about the world is limited to US, so I would never assume that you didn't know the difference between the two countries.
You are after all posting in a left wing internet forum
.I found myself unsure of how to interpret parts of his post. Perhaps, since you are sure it aligns with your own view you can tell me what you heard that you approve of:
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"I think you have started the wrong place."
The best I can do on this is to think I should have started on Tyranny generally rather than on tyranny of the majority on this forum or even just tyranny of the majority in the US. Because........
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"I'm not American, and while it seems like you have taken this to the extreme it is a problem for all democracies:
I am not sure if he means by you, me personally in this forum, or we Americans generally in our political life. How do you read it? I read that the issue may be more extreme here than elsewhere but in any case it certainly is the issue I as trying to illuminate.
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"How to keep political corruption in check, how to separate the political and the juridical system and create public political culture where you can debate politics instead of corrupt politicians and conspiracy theories. This forum is just a mirror of what is happening everywhere."
I am nor sure if he is just seconding the point I have tried to make in this thread or trying to say I am essentially wasting my time as it is everywhere. What I tried to do was to show that people in this forum in fact do mirror what is happening everywhere and all I had to do to show that was to point out that fact to some of the members.
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"If you want a debate where your opinions are being taken seriously, then you also need to be ready to listen to and reason with the arguments. Most people enter a debate because they want to voice their opinion, but maybe they should rather join a debate because they would like to understand their opponents."
This was the point I was trying to make, that when liberals are challenged as deaf and incapable reflexively of reason some are more than willing to prove it in spades.
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Would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
You keep posting it as your own and only occasionally and separately crediting the source. That's called plagiarism. Even when you modify it. Especially when you modify it. Discussing how changes to the text can change the intent would be a meaningful discussion, but everybody reading needs to know that from the start.
"Tyranny of the majority" implies authority through majority, and that through that authority they ignore or mistreat minorities. A left-leaning majority here is still just individuals making personal statements, possibly forming a consensus, but it isn't tyranny. Tyranny of the majority would be us having a voting system to suspend or ban individuals through majority vote.
imported_tajmahal
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We all love you Moonie. As for the trannies of the majority in this place..... I never noticed.
BonzaiDuck
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I'm not sure what provoked your post here. I happened to notice that biostud had remarked something that I'd thought myself many times.
On the matter of your initial topic and post, I'm not sure I care so much -- - whether the forum mirrors something else, whether there's a tyranny of a majority. The GOP opposition wants a tyranny of a majority, even if they don't quite make the majority grade but only capture certain elective offices through subterfuge and the Electoral College. That's why they've stacked the Supremes -- which have overturned precedent accepted or desired by a majority. For the rest of it, there's not one forthcoming argument they make that's either consistent or reasonable.
Have you been speeding up your mind by smoking Meth or something? Or have you been reading the works of Francis Bacon -- famous for single sentences in paragraphs that spanned two pages?
Maybe I posted too quickly here, but I was only responding to biostud's remarks. Did he say he's Danish? That's great, and great to see we're all together on many things . . .
I'm going to return to my project of fixing dinner for Moms . . .
For me it isn't just a something. It is a critical point necessary to understand for our survival. We create what we fear. I believe that what we fear is re-experiencing our deepest feelings, the experiences of childhood where we were put down as a threat to the reputation of the family, the group, the team, the party, the nation, humanity and proper morality itself. In ordinary circumstances of relative plenty and social progress, where there is a feeling that justice prevails, the liberal mind can flower. But when things turn to the negative and some 'other' is blamed the liberal turns into a conservative filled with contempt, in the liberal's case, with people who promulgate divisive fear. That just creates more of what we fear. When the water in the toilet bowl starts to experience the Coriolis force the left and the right start paddling in the same direction with it.
So I am not sure if you want to tell I am off in my opinion and have confused it with substance or not.
I have hope that the US with it's long history of immigration and stigmatization of the newly arrived and all our myths and realities about being a melting pot will prove to have risen above the Trump wave of what I hope will prove another instance in our history of temporary insanity. The US really is a place that underdogs can prosper to the benefit of all Americans.
No attempt by me was made to otherwise suggest "there's not one forthcoming argument they make that's either consistent or reasonable". My effort is to suggest how liberals can help them along by not becoming tyrants themselves out of that very fear.
TLDR You aren't worth listening to. Nobody cares what you think. You're a laughing stock goat etc. Please, everybody, disregard what this nut case, I didn't read, says. It's pure bull shit, Write it off before you even begin. It will just be nonsense as we all know. No need to ban him or put him on ignore. You can do all of that by reflex. Don't allow this virus to get inside your mind. Never question, never think, never analyses or respond with reason. Put this guy in a box labeled nut case and stick him away somewhere on a dusty shelf.
Anybody for a taste of Bacon?
What is truth? said jesting Pilate; and would not stay for an answer. Certainly, there be that delight in giddiness; and count it a bondage to fix a belief; affecting freewill in thinking as well as in acting. And though the sects of philosophers of that kind be gone, yet there remain certain discoursing wits which are of the same veins, though there be not so much blood in them as was in those of the ancients. But it is not only the difficulty and labor which men take in finding out of truth: nor again, that, when it is found, it imposeth upon men’s thoughts, that doth bring lies in favor; but a natural though corrupt love of the lie itself. One of the later schools of the Grecians examineth the matter, and is at a stand to think what should be in it that men should love lies; where neither they make for pleasure, as with poets; nor for advantage, as with the merchant, but for the lie’s sake. But I cannot tell; this same truth is a naked and open daylight, that doth not show the masks, and mummeries, and triumphs of the world, half so stately and daintily as candle-lights. Truth may perhaps come to the price of a pearl, that showeth best by day, but it will not rise to the price of a diamond or carbuncle, that showeth best in varied lights. A mixture of a lie doth ever add pleasure. Doth any man doubt, that if there were taken out of men’s minds vain opinions, flattering hopes, false valuations, imaginations as one would, and the like, but it would leave the minds of a number of men poor shrunken things, full of melancholy and indisposition, and unpleasing to themselves? One of the fathers, in great severity, called poesy “vinum dæmonum,” because it filleth the imagination, and yet it is but with the shadow of a lie. But it is not the lie that passeth through the mind, but the lie that sinketh in, and settleth in it, that doth the hurt, such as we spake of before. But howsoever these things are thus in men’s depraved judgments and affections, yet truth, which only doth judge itself, teacheth that the inquiry of truth, which is the love-making, or wooing of it, the knowledge of truth, which is the presence of it, and the belief of truth, which is the enjoying of it, is the sovereign good of human nature. The first creature of God, in the works of the days, was the light of the sense; the last was the light of reason; and his sabbath work, ever since, is the illumination of his Spirit. First, he breathed light upon the face of the matter, or chaos; then he breathed light into the face of man; and still he breatheth and inspireth light into the face of his chosen. The poet that beautified the sect, that was otherwise inferior to the rest, saith yet excellently well: “It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore, and to see ships tossed upon the sea; a pleasure to stand in the window of a castle, and to see a battle, and the adventures thereof below; but no pleasure is comparable to the standing upon the vantage-ground of truth” (a hill not to be commanded, and where the air is always clear and serene), “and to see the errors, and wanderings, and mists, and tempests, in the vale below;” so always that this prospect be with pity, and not with swelling or pride. Certainly it is heaven upon earth, to have a man’s mind move in charity, rest in providence, and turn upon the poles of truth.
To pass from theological and philosophical truth to the truth of civil business; it will be acknowledged, even by those that practise it not, that clear and round dealing is the honor of man’s nature, and that mixture of falsehood is like alloy in coin of gold and silver, which may make the metal work the better, but it embaseth it. For these winding and crooked courses are the goings of the serpent; which goeth basely upon the belly, and not upon the feet. There is no vice that doth so cover a man with shame, as to be found false and perfidious; and therefore Montaigne saith prettily, when he inquired the reason why the word of the lie should be such a disgrace, and such an odious charge: saith he, “If it be well weighed, to say that a man lieth, is as much as to say that he is brave towards God and a coward towards men. For a lie faces God, and shrinks from man;” surely, the wickedness of falsehood and breach of faith cannot possibly be so highly expressed, as in that it shall be the last peal to call the judgments of God upon the generations of men: it being foretold, that, when “Christ cometh,” he shall not “find faith upon the earth.”
What is truth? said jesting Pilate; and would not stay for an answer. Certainly, there be that delight in giddiness; and count it a bondage to fix a belief; affecting freewill in thinking as well as in acting. And though the sects of philosophers of that kind be gone, yet there remain certain discoursing wits which are of the same veins, though there be not so much blood in them as was in those of the ancients. But it is not only the difficulty and labor which men take in finding out of truth: nor again, that, when it is found, it imposeth upon men’s thoughts, that doth bring lies in favor; but a natural though corrupt love of the lie itself. One of the later schools of the Grecians examineth the matter, and is at a stand to think what should be in it that men should love lies; where neither they make for pleasure, as with poets; nor for advantage, as with the merchant, but for the lie’s sake. But I cannot tell; this same truth is a naked and open daylight, that doth not show the masks, and mummeries, and triumphs of the world, half so stately and daintily as candle-lights. Truth may perhaps come to the price of a pearl, that showeth best by day, but it will not rise to the price of a diamond or carbuncle, that showeth best in varied lights. A mixture of a lie doth ever add pleasure. Doth any man doubt, that if there were taken out of men’s minds vain opinions, flattering hopes, false valuations, imaginations as one would, and the like, but it would leave the minds of a number of men poor shrunken things, full of melancholy and indisposition, and unpleasing to themselves? One of the fathers, in great severity, called poesy “vinum dæmonum,” because it filleth the imagination, and yet it is but with the shadow of a lie. But it is not the lie that passeth through the mind, but the lie that sinketh in, and settleth in it, that doth the hurt, such as we spake of before. But howsoever these things are thus in men’s depraved judgments and affections, yet truth, which only doth judge itself, teacheth that the inquiry of truth, which is the love-making, or wooing of it, the knowledge of truth, which is the presence of it, and the belief of truth, which is the enjoying of it, is the sovereign good of human nature. The first creature of God, in the works of the days, was the light of the sense; the last was the light of reason; and his sabbath work, ever since, is the illumination of his Spirit. First, he breathed light upon the face of the matter, or chaos; then he breathed light into the face of man; and still he breatheth and inspireth light into the face of his chosen. The poet that beautified the sect, that was otherwise inferior to the rest, saith yet excellently well: “It is a pleasure to stand upon the shore, and to see ships tossed upon the sea; a pleasure to stand in the window of a castle, and to see a battle, and the adventures thereof below; but no pleasure is comparable to the standing upon the vantage-ground of truth” (a hill not to be commanded, and where the air is always clear and serene), “and to see the errors, and wanderings, and mists, and tempests, in the vale below;” so always that this prospect be with pity, and not with swelling or pride. Certainly it is heaven upon earth, to have a man’s mind move in charity, rest in providence, and turn upon the poles of truth.
To pass from theological and philosophical truth to the truth of civil business; it will be acknowledged, even by those that practise it not, that clear and round dealing is the honor of man’s nature, and that mixture of falsehood is like alloy in coin of gold and silver, which may make the metal work the better, but it embaseth it. For these winding and crooked courses are the goings of the serpent; which goeth basely upon the belly, and not upon the feet. There is no vice that doth so cover a man with shame, as to be found false and perfidious; and therefore Montaigne saith prettily, when he inquired the reason why the word of the lie should be such a disgrace, and such an odious charge: saith he, “If it be well weighed, to say that a man lieth, is as much as to say that he is brave towards God and a coward towards men. For a lie faces God, and shrinks from man;” surely, the wickedness of falsehood and breach of faith cannot possibly be so highly expressed, as in that it shall be the last peal to call the judgments of God upon the generations of men: it being foretold, that, when “Christ cometh,” he shall not “find faith upon the earth.”
See, straight to the point. We can all agree this is the majority opinion on your posts 🤣
Who, poo-pooing the ignorance of the six fingered Appalachian South says to himself, that is my condition?
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