On the Tyranny of the Majority in posting on a Left-leaning forum:

[Moonbeam]

No. Show me the authoritarian left you are speaking of, preferably while having a tab open on the definition of Authoritarianism. Like maybe the thirteen hallmarks. Or whatever you feel fits the bill.

Here is a start:

Left-wing authoritarians share key psychological traits with far right, Emory study finds | Emory University | Atlanta GA

People with extreme political views that favor authoritarianism — whether they are on the far left or the far right — have surprisingly similar behaviors and psychological characteristics, finds a new study by Emory psychologists.

news.emory.edu

Two points from the link I find important:

1. “Our work should not be used as a political cudgel,” he stresses. “Instead it should be used as a piece of information to help us understand the pull of extremism and intolerance. Having clarity about the appeal of authoritarianism may be relevant to help better understand what’s going on in the political landscape today.”

2. Like any other personality trait, authoritarianism lies on a spectrum with only a few at the extreme top-end of the scale, Costello says.

 

[sdifox]

Here is a start:

Left-wing authoritarians share key psychological traits with far right, Emory study finds | Emory University | Atlanta GA

People with extreme political views that favor authoritarianism — whether they are on the far left or the far right — have surprisingly similar behaviors and psychological characteristics, finds a new study by Emory psychologists.

news.emory.edu

Two points from the link I find important:

1. “Our work should not be used as a political cudgel,” he stresses. “Instead it should be used as a piece of information to help us understand the pull of extremism and intolerance. Having clarity about the appeal of authoritarianism may be relevant to help better understand what’s going on in the political landscape today.”

2. Like any other personality trait, authoritarianism lies on a spectrum with only a few at the extreme top-end of the scale, Costello says.

Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

I think they rebanded to Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. Look at the associations.

Humm page seems to be borked. (never mind only borked on mobile browser)

Here is the wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Individual_Rights_and_Expression

 

[Moonbeam]

Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression - SourceWatch

www.sourcewatch.org

I think they rebanded to Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. Look at the associations.

Humm page seems to be borked. (never mind only borked on mobile browser)

Here is the wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundation_for_Individual_Rights_and_Expression

I tried to find a connection to the link I posted on authoritarianism and the links you provided but was not able to find one.

 

[sdifox]

I tried to find a connection to the link I posted on authoritarianism and the links you provided but was not able to find one.

FIRE likes to fund studies that counters perceived "woke culture" in case you didn't understand that.

 

[Pohemi]

the same as when they catalogue an animal.

That is not an answer. Outline this cataloguing. Do you mean certain genetic traits? Do you mean physical fitness? Be specific, because so far you haven't clarified your initial comment at all.

FIRE likes to fund studies that counters perceived "woke culture" in case you didn't understand that.

The actions of FIRE itself seem mostly non-partisan from the summary descriptions on the wiki page, but they not only take large contributions from con orgs like Koch, but sponsor other right-wing orgs. I'd say it's very possible that it IS a right-leaning organization now, even if it hasn't always been. It sounds like they just aren't obvious about it.

 

[sdifox]

That is not an answer. Outline this cataloguing. Do you mean certain genetic traits? Do you mean physical fitness? Be specific, because so far you haven't clarified your initial comment at all.

The actions of FIRE itself seem mostly non-partisan from the summary descriptions on the wiki page, but they not only take large contributions from con orgs like Koch, but sponsor other right-wing orgs. I'd say it's very possible that it IS a right-leaning organization now, even if it hasn't always been. It sounds like they just aren't obvious about it.

no it has always been right wing propaganda machine.

 

[Amused]

"Woke" is the new dog whistle for racists and bigots.

History of Southern Strategy/Alt-Right dog whistles:

President Barack Obama is a secret Muslim!
Sharia law!
Politically correct!
Ghetto thugs! (Or just Thugs)
Crack babies!
Activist judges!
Welfare queens!
Inner city
Cancel Culture!
Socialism!
Communist!
Critical Race Theory!
State's Rights! (to what?)
School Choice
Real Americans
Law and Order (for who?)
Looters/rioters (vs protesters)
"Take Back"
Shithole Countries
Chinese Virus
Make America Great Again
Cuck
Voter fraud
Voter ID
Great Replacement
White genocide
Reverse Racism
Demographic change

And let's not forget all the code words and phrases for Jews.
Globalists
Global special interests
Rothschilds (never mind that none of them are even in the top 500 richest anymore)
Soros
(((echo)))
Dual loyalty
Cabal
Illuminati
New World Order
Zionist
Zionist Occupied Government
International bankers

And this is just a short list

Only one side is using these dog whistles.

 

[iRONic]

Impressive. Now go wash your hands up with soap and water!

 

[Moonbeam]

FIRE likes to fund studies that counters perceived "woke culture" in case you didn't understand that.

I read your link looking for a connection that indicated the link I posted was a product of FIRE. I did not see such a connection.

 

[sdifox]

I read your link looking for a connection that indicated the link I posted was a product of FIRE. I did not see such a connection.

Co-authors of the paper include Shauna Bowes, an Emory graduate student of psychology; Irwin Waldman, Emory professor of psychology; Arber Tasimi, Emory assistant professor of psychology; and Sean Stevens, from New York University’s Department of Business and Society and the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education. The work was funded in part by the Institute for Humane Studies at George Mason University.

 

[cytg111]

Except they would likely have no idea if say some gene sequence only found in people with Huntington's also plays a positive role in some situation yet to be encountered. The 'pressing a button' idea leads directly to designer babies with idiots as the designers.

Indeed, BUT, some house cleaning is in order, and I prefer a little gene editing over its older more crude brother natural selection.

 

[cytg111]

What do you think Perknose meant by we only wanted Poland? I personally believe him to be a person of incredible wit and so much so that I miss a lot of it. In this case I heard give someone like Hitler an inch and he will take a mile and alluded to it with a similar saying. It's not 19D chess but it was the best I could do to indicate I think I know what he meant. You may not know the story I left clues to. But look at what I said again. I was just having some fun.

I think I got what perk meant as well. He is not in the fire though.

 

[cytg111]

Here is a start:

Left-wing authoritarians share key psychological traits with far right, Emory study finds | Emory University | Atlanta GA

People with extreme political views that favor authoritarianism — whether they are on the far left or the far right — have surprisingly similar behaviors and psychological characteristics, finds a new study by Emory psychologists.

news.emory.edu

Two points from the link I find important:

1. “Our work should not be used as a political cudgel,” he stresses. “Instead it should be used as a piece of information to help us understand the pull of extremism and intolerance. Having clarity about the appeal of authoritarianism may be relevant to help better understand what’s going on in the political landscape today.”

2. Like any other personality trait, authoritarianism lies on a spectrum with only a few at the extreme top-end of the scale, Costello says.

Yes this is what I already gathered from you, this tyrannical message board is a hoard of Stalinists then? Ill make my point perfectly clear: There is NONE - that I’ve seen post here that fits the bill of the extreme left authoritarian temper that you seek out here. And funny enough people dont identify as such… at which point you begin pouring “enlightened” witchcraft over them. I mean. What the fuck.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes this is what I already gathered from you, this tyrannical message board is a hoard of Stalinists then? Ill make my point perfectly clear: There is NONE - that I’ve seen post here that fits the bill of the extreme left authoritarian temper that you seek out here. And funny enough people dont identify as such… at which point you begin pouring “enlightened” witchcraft over them. I mean. What the fuck.

I added two points focused directly at your blindness. The first was that understanding the left can be authoritarian is has benefits therein described. The second was added because I knew the first escape route you would take was to pretend that because there are few at the very extremes, authoritarianism is not also present in degrees. And if people don’t identify as authoritarian does not mean anything related to my point.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think I got what perk meant as well. He is not in the fire though.

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Do you get what I meant, the equivalent to inch becomes mile? I was just trying to respond with attempt at some wit of my own.

Shit, try camel nose in tent. Ring any bells?

 

[Amused]

I added two points focused directly at your blindness. The first was that understanding the left can be authoritarian is has benefits therein described. The second was added because I knew the first escape route you would take was to pretend that because there are few at the very extremes, authoritarianism is not also present in degrees. And if people don’t identify as authoritarian does not mean anything related to my point.

Social rejection is not authoritarian.

No one here has advocated jailing people for being racist, sexist or bigoted.

You're not oppressed. You're unpopular and the free market is rejecting you.

This is what happened when you sought to hold up Mr. Lord of the Incels and alt-right guru Peterson here.

"Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

Let me repeat: No one here is advocating for ANY of this. (except the current alt-right who seek to ban/control behaviors with "law and order" rather than the FREE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS.)

People calling you out and holding you socially accountable for unpopular racist, sexist and bigoted ideology are not being authoritarian. They are upholding their own personal values.

Yes, the far left wing CAN be authoritarian (Stalin, Mao, etc.) But no one HERE is anywhere close to that.

I repeat. You're not oppressed and social rejection is NOT "tyranny."

This is a perfect example of having no fucking clue who will be the ones ACTAULLY treading on you in ACTUAL authoritarianism.

 

[cytg111]

I added two points focused directly at your blindness. The first was that understanding the left can be authoritarian is has benefits therein described. The second was added because I knew the first escape route you would take was to pretend that because there are few at the very extremes, authoritarianism is not also present in degrees. And if people don’t identify as authoritarian does not mean anything related to my point.

What the fuck does that mean? Is it nothing? Its almost like you're trying to encompass *everything*, but I dont think your model supports that.

Funny that you think I need to escape when its you that be trapped. Ill just walk away. Cause witchcraft is not a real thing.

 

[cytg111]

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. Do you get what I meant, the equivalent to inch becomes mile? I was just trying to respond with attempt at some wit of my own.

Shit, try camel nose in tent. Ring any bells?

Chimneys. Poland. Dead bodies.
Anyway, nice strawman. An easy burn. *WINK* *WINK* ... effen retracted.

 

[fskimospy]

Social rejection is not authoritarian.

No one here has advocated jailing people for being racist, sexist or bigoted.

You're not oppressed. You're unpopular and the free market is rejecting you.

This is what happened when you sought to hold up Mr. Lord of the Incels and alt-right guru Peterson here.

"Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarianism

Let me repeat: No one here is advocating for ANY of this. (except the current alt-right who seek to ban/control behaviors with "law and order" rather than the FREE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS.)

People calling you out and holding you socially accountable for unpopular racist, sexist and bigoted ideology are not being authoritarian. They are upholding their own personal values.

Yes, the far left wing CAN be authoritarian (Stalin, Mao, etc.) But no one HERE is anywhere close to that.

I repeat. You're not oppressed and social rejection is NOT "tyranny."

This is a perfect example of having no fucking clue who will be the ones ACTAULLY treading on you in ACTUAL authoritarianism.

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Exactly. Criticizing someone’s speech is not authoritarian, nor is declining to associate with someone. People seem to struggle to understand that criticism of speech is every bit as important a piece of free speech as the original speech itself.

This is the internet and everyone is free to go where they want. If you don’t like ATPN nobody forces you to come here and there are many, many other available venues. There are plenty of people here who are jerks, but if this bothers you the right answer is to find a forum with people you like better, not to try and convince those jerks that to say mean things to people is authoritarian.

 

[cytg111]

Victim hood. So much in common with JP. Whom "they" "tyrants" "authoritarians" on the extreme left is also trying to cancel.
Find another idol. In fact, dont find one at all.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Not a lot of variation among Coelacanths.

Coelacanths had many periods of substantial morphological diversification during their evolution.

Recent DNA research shows that both extant species are still steadily evolving, albeit at a slow rate.

And if that giant asteroid hadn’t hit earth 65 million years ago…

 

[Moonbeam]

Coelacanths had many periods of substantial morphological diversification during their evolution.

Recent DNA research shows that both extant species are still steadily evolving, albeit at a slow rate.

And if that giant asteroid hadn’t hit earth 65 million years ago…

I was replying to the statement: "There is no "genetic ideal of the specie", our variation is a strength, not a weakness."

My aim was simply to point out that evolution can favor the continuances of genetic sameness where environmental influences remain in stasis. It is only when selective pressures favor genetic variations in isolated or semi isolated populations that variations in genetic material become important in adapting to those changes. Owing to rates of random mutations, perhaps also favored by evolution in some parts of the genome over others, some degree of genetic changes over long time periods are to be expected. Morphologically, however, if two living examples could somehow be had, I'd wager that a modern and an ancient Coelacanth, side by side, would present as the same species.

Coelacanth Genes Mapped, "Living Fossil" Evolved Slowly

Scientists have mapped the coelacanth genome and found that the ancient fish's genes evolved more slowly than those of other animals.

www.nationalgeographic.com

 

[fskimospy]

Here’s a fun point about this. Basically a right wing shitposter laughs at the indulgence of liberal spaces and says they are stupid for giving him so much space to be a shithead.

Saying Goodbye to Twitter

I had my second Twitter violation last Friday. The first one was in January, for a tweet in response to Curt Mills, a friend who writes for The American Conservative. He’s a big believer in generational warfare, which I’m not a fan of, so one time I sarcastically responded to him in kind. When...

richardhanania.substack.com

 

[Moonbeam]

Chimneys. Poland. Dead bodies.
Anyway, nice strawman. An easy burn. *WINK* *WINK* ... effen retracted.

I give up:

The Camel's Nose In The Tent !​

One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. "Master," he said, "let me put my nose in your tent. It's cold and stormy out here." "By all means," said the Arab, "and welcome" as he turned over and went to sleep.

A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, "I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here." "Yes, you may put your forelegs within," said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.

Finally, the camel said, "May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do." "Yes, yes," said the Arab. "Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us." So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself.

 

[Amused]

I give up:

The Camel's Nose In The Tent !​

One cold night, as an Arab sat in his tent, a camel gently thrust his nose under the flap and looked in. "Master," he said, "let me put my nose in your tent. It's cold and stormy out here." "By all means," said the Arab, "and welcome" as he turned over and went to sleep.

A little later the Arab awoke to find that the camel had not only put his nose in the tent but his head and neck also. The camel, who had been turning his head from side to side, said, "I will take but little more room if I place my forelegs within the tent. It is difficult standing out here." "Yes, you may put your forelegs within," said the Arab, moving a little to make room, for the tent was small.

Finally, the camel said, "May I not stand wholly inside? I keep the tent open by standing as I do." "Yes, yes," said the Arab. "Come wholly inside. Perhaps it will be better for both of us." So the camel crowded in. The Arab with difficulty in the crowded quarters again went to sleep. When he woke up the next time, he was outside in the cold and the camel had the tent to himself.

Oh FFS