OMG my friend just bought a Mac Powerbook...

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: Ornery
95% of the computers people interact with ARE Wintels. That's reality. That's the way things are. In reality, I don't even need a notebook, but if they ever get reasonably priced enough to become an impulse purchase, I'd want the damn thing to use the software I have and use. It should be able to display the files I've created over the last 10 years. That's just common sense!

Should your PDA run windows too? I get along just fine running PalmOS and it can make and read files I have on my 'Wintel'(h8 that phrase) system.

Why should a lappy be any different to a PDA choice?

On another note, form should follow function, but in most cases this is taken care of with Apple kit anyhow, so buying for 'cute' or 'cool' factor is valid.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: werk

Originally posted by: Ornery
95% of the computers people interact with ARE Wintels. That's reality. That's the way things are. In reality, I don't even need a notebook, but if they ever get reasonably priced enough to become an impulse purchase, I'd want the damn thing to use the software I have and use. It should be able to display the files I've created over the last 10 years. That's just common sense!

Uh...why would you not be able to "display the files you've created" on a Mac?

Because he doesn't want to buy software and doesn't know where to pirate it? Because he does not realize that there is a lot of software available for the Mac? Because that one button mouse is a little complicated for him?

Yet again he proves himself a major ass!

If I want to open an AutoCAD file I created a few years ago on my wondrous 'cute' new laptop, WTF am I supposed to open and edit it with? If I buy a Wintel laptop, I can install AutoCAD on it, which I already own, and I'm set.

 

[halik]

powerbook rule,
i just traded my g4 tower for one.

Software compatibility is not an isue due to OSS and Virtual PC. 99% of stuff out there has mac counterparts, the only thing i can think of that doesnt is kazaa. And thats why you have VPC

Plus the whole AOL argument is BS, OSX is a flavor of BSD and lately theres been a wave of unix admins and developers that are switching over to mac... and so did i I've been working with unix for the past 4 years and osx is the best alternative

 

[Ornery]

WTF should I have to buy 'counterparts' when I already own this stuff? I've got older versions that would scream on a laptop and be totally legal. Switching horses seems ludicrous, but maybe that's just more of the added cost of having a cute laptop.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Yet again he proves himself a major ass!

I don't think I have ever disagreed with someone saying I'm an ass.

If I want to open an AutoCAD file I created a few years ago on my wondrous 'cute' new laptop, WTF am I supposed to open and edit it with?

At the moment it appears you are SOL, which does not apply to me. Yet again, I said that *I* have had no problems doing the things *I* do. There are people that do not enjoy freedom the way I do.

If I buy a Wintel laptop, I can install AutoCAD on it, which I already own, and I'm set.

Does the license you have for AutoCAD allow you to do this?

BTW, Autodesk or whatever that company is called is considering porting to Mac OS X

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Ornery
WTF should I have to buy 'counterparts' when I already own this stuff? I've got older versions that would scream on a laptop and be totally legal. Switching horses seems ludicrous, but maybe that's just more of the added cost of having a cute laptop.

For some people this is not a problem. I have never made a big investment in software. I haven't seen the need since I discovered there are free and open source programs out there that allow me to do what I want, when I want, how I want. I decided not to lock myself down to the whims of a corporation. You have chosen a different path.

What is with the whole "cute" thing? That is just one of the many benefits of purchasing a power/i book.

 

[Ornery]

If I wanted to be a chump, but legal, I could uninstall from one machine and install on the other. I could NEVER afford another license for AutoCAD. I only acquired this one because my previous employer owed me money they didn't have.

I think a notebook would be a great toy, but they're too damn expensive to just run out and pick one up. I'd think long and hard before making such a purchase, and the software angle would weigh heavily for me. Just surprised it's never brought up!

Edit:

I've wondered myself about the 'cute' and 'cool' issue of Macs. Paying a mega premium for a PC because of it's case just blows me away. Lots of disposable income is the only conclusion I can come to.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Ornery
If I wanted to be a chump, but legal, I could uninstall from one machine and install on the other. I could NEVER afford another license for AutoCAD. I only acquired this one because my previous employer owed me money they didn't have.

Being legal does not make you a chump

I think a notebook would be a great toy, but they're too damn expensive to just run out and pick one up. I'd think long and hard before making such a purchase, and the software angle would weigh heavily for me. Just surprised it's never brought up!

I'm getting my Dell for about $300. Definitely an impulse buy for me.

EDIT: And software is a legitimate concern for most people. But then again, most people just pirate software anyways, right?

 

[Ornery]

Oh, hell yeah, I've got plenty of pirated stuff, including MP3s, but I have legal OS, MS Office and other software that I've gotten deals on. I was thrilled to be able to get a licence for AutoCAD. I can see owning a notebook someday. I KNOW I will. It won't be long before everyone in the country is wirelessly connected on portables of one kind or another. I think Mr. Bill will have a big hand in that, too!

 

[iamwiz82]

I've wondered myself about the 'cute' and 'cool' issue of Macs. Paying a mega premium for a PC because of it's case just blows me away. Lots of disposable income is the only conclusion I can come to.

If you look at the prices of powerbooks, will notice that they are not much more than a windows laptop. Remember, you have to compare a similar laptop regarding size, weight, battery life, and performance. Sure a powerbook is more than a bottom of the line inspiron which weights 7 lbs and has a 2 hour battery. My powerbook is 1" thick and weighs less than 5lbs and currently costs $1600. I dont call that a high price for a lightweight laptop.

 

[Ornery]

Even if it cost less than a Windows laptop, there's still that software issue. If I were starting from scratch, it wouldn't be such a concern, but I'm already heavily commited, as are most people.

I don't know how true it is, but I've heard when Mac changes hardware, the old software has to be upgraded too. That would make me scream! Maybe it isn't true, 'cause that's nuts!

 

[Acanthus]

i hate OSX i just want Itunes

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Blah.

Apple is the AOL of the computer hardware world. I'm not suprised a new Mac owner would ask if a site is mac-compatible.

*Shrug* It's a perfectly valid question, Safari isn't IE 6, so there are a handful of sites out there that will outright block you if you aren't using a machine with IE 6.

 

[GL]

For 95% of the newbie populace, software compatibility isn't a concern. And why should it? Let's outline what these people will do with their machine:

1) Use Microsoft Office. Yup, and MS Office for OS X is better than Office XP.

2) Browse the Web. Yup you can do that with the Mac.

3) IM. Yup, that's covered.

4) E-mail. Covered too...

5) Listen to MP3s. More than covered with OS X.

6) Watch the occasional DVD. I'm starting to see a pattern emerge...Mac can do this out of the box too.

Let's face it. What the hell does software compatibility have to do with anything when your usage domain is as tight as a newb? Not to mention if somebody really needs Win32 compatibility, they can just run VirtualPC. But native OS X apps are coming out pretty rapidly and the open source crowd has made a concerted effort to port there stuff over to OS X giving advanced users a nice bonus.

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Blah.

Apple is the AOL of the computer hardware world. I'm not suprised a new Mac owner would ask if a site is mac-compatible.

*Shrug* It's a perfectly valid question, Safari isn't IE 6, so there are a handful of sites out there that will outright block you if you aren't using a machine with IE 6.

Apple has Internet Explorer.

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Ornery
I don't feel I should have to pay for two licences of the same software for a desktop and portable. You can't use both at once! I know I'm stuck with the OS, but the balance of my software will (and should) work on both.

Well then, as long as you are doing something illegal then I guess it's OK to pirate the software for the mac machine. According to your logic there's nothing wrong with that since you only need only liscense for both machines.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: SpiderX
And she just asked me if a certain website was "mac compatible".

And why did she buy a mac you may ask? Because she thought they were cute. :disgust:

Is she blond or a former star in the shortlived sitcom "Clueless"?

I could see it if she were a Mac person, but buying a 95% incompatible notebook albeit a fast one because it looks cute....is bordrline nuts. But then again, isn't this Steve Jobs target group?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Aceshigh

Originally posted by: ViRGE

Originally posted by: Aceshigh
Blah.

Apple is the AOL of the computer hardware world. I'm not suprised a new Mac owner would ask if a site is mac-compatible.

*Shrug* It's a perfectly valid question, Safari isn't IE 6, so there are a handful of sites out there that will outright block you if you aren't using a machine with IE 6.

Apple has Internet Explorer.

An older version, and not for too much longer.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SpiderX
And she just asked me if a certain website was "mac compatible".

And why did she buy a mac you may ask? Because she thought they were cute. :disgust:

Is she blond or a former star in the shortlived sitcom "Clueless"?

I could see it if she were a Mac person, but buying a 95% incompatible notebook albeit a fast one because it looks cute....is bordrline nuts. But then again, isn't this Steve Jobs target group?

Yes, the mentally insane are in the prime demographics for Apple.

 

[iamwiz82]

i have not run into a website i cant open up with Mozilla or Safari.

 

[GL]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SpiderX
And she just asked me if a certain website was "mac compatible".

And why did she buy a mac you may ask? Because she thought they were cute. :disgust:

Is she blond or a former star in the shortlived sitcom "Clueless"?

I could see it if she were a Mac person, but buying a 95% incompatible notebook albeit a fast one because it looks cute....is bordrline nuts. But then again, isn't this Steve Jobs target group?

Jobs is targetting both extremes. He's targetting the university research market/scientific computing community on one end and the media hub newbie market on the other end of the spectrum. He's leaving the void in between that holds the masses for the PC.

Ornery
That hardware switch I think you've heard about was the transition to PowerPC in the early 90s. Apple is sticking with that for years and years to come. Eventually the x86 crowd will have to dump IA32 as well so you'll see this same transition.

 

[mooojojojo]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SpiderX
And she just asked me if a certain website was "mac compatible".

And why did she buy a mac you may ask? Because she thought they were cute. :disgust:

Is she blond or a former star in the shortlived sitcom "Clueless"?

I could see it if she were a Mac person, but buying a 95% incompatible notebook albeit a fast one because it looks cute....is bordrline nuts. But then again, isn't this Steve Jobs target group?

what's incompatible about the powerbook?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: GL

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SpiderX
And she just asked me if a certain website was "mac compatible".

And why did she buy a mac you may ask? Because she thought they were cute. :disgust:

Is she blond or a former star in the shortlived sitcom "Clueless"?

I could see it if she were a Mac person, but buying a 95% incompatible notebook albeit a fast one because it looks cute....is bordrline nuts. But then again, isn't this Steve Jobs target group?

Jobs is targetting both extremes. He's targetting the university research market/scientific computing community on one end and the media hub newbie market on the other end of the spectrum. He's leaving the void in between that holds the masses for the PC.

Ornery
That hardware switch I think you've heard about was the transition to PowerPC in the early 90s. Apple is sticking with that for years and years to come. Eventually the x86 crowd will have to dump IA32 as well so you'll see this same transition.

He is also targetting professional admins and developers. In fact, most of the people I know that own Macs are developers/admins or something in between.

 

[GL]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: GL

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SpiderX
And she just asked me if a certain website was "mac compatible".

And why did she buy a mac you may ask? Because she thought they were cute. :disgust:

Is she blond or a former star in the shortlived sitcom "Clueless"?

I could see it if she were a Mac person, but buying a 95% incompatible notebook albeit a fast one because it looks cute....is bordrline nuts. But then again, isn't this Steve Jobs target group?

Jobs is targetting both extremes. He's targetting the university research market/scientific computing community on one end and the media hub newbie market on the other end of the spectrum. He's leaving the void in between that holds the masses for the PC.

Ornery
That hardware switch I think you've heard about was the transition to PowerPC in the early 90s. Apple is sticking with that for years and years to come. Eventually the x86 crowd will have to dump IA32 as well so you'll see this same transition.

He is also targetting professional admins and developers. In fact, most of the people I know that own Macs are developers/admins or something in between.

Yup I fit that bill (developer) Also, Final Cut Pro is becoming the defacto standard for independent film makers and documentary-makers. I know somebody that works at the National Film Board of Canada and she mentioned how that market is up to a critical mass. Apparently the in thing to do is to learn FCP this summer.

 

[mpitts]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: SpiderX
And she just asked me if a certain website was "mac compatible".

And why did she buy a mac you may ask? Because she thought they were cute. :disgust:

Is she blond or a former star in the shortlived sitcom "Clueless"?

I could see it if she were a Mac person, but buying a 95% incompatible notebook albeit a fast one because it looks cute....is bordrline nuts. But then again, isn't this Steve Jobs target group?

95% incompatible with what?