OMFG

[Insomniator]

Originally posted by: MixMasterTang
Probably the same people who have wooden server racks.

:laugh:

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: rdubbz420
no, I'm just saying. most people at least have that.

Not for a PXE boot - you would need a server. Perhaps you are talking about an Acronis snapshot type solution.

Either way I agree that an external HDD or external storage of some kind is all but a requirement.

nm... i have a pxe server. if you dont all you need is external drive and a imagex script which is free.

 

[TheKub]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus
For my home server/HTPC I just bought an 8 port SAS/SATA RAID card. I was looking to do 8x 1 TB Caviar Black drives in Raid 5 (7 TB's useable), but would need to buy 7 more drives. Currently at $90/ea that's $630. I found a guy on the FS/FT forums selling 22 750 gb drives, and will be picking up some of them at $50/ea. That will give me a hair over 5 TB.

Should sever me well for 2 years or so until I bump it to 15 TB's or so.

Im pretty sure you fall under the realm of enthusiast then, and as cool and useful as the setup is its still not backed up.

 

[AstroManLuca]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

RAID = Redundant array of independent disks (using multiple hard drives to store data).
RAID 0 = Utter shit. Either hard drive fails, all data on BOTH disks is lost.
IDE = Very old hard drives. Everyone has used SATA for a long time so if you see an IDE drive, chances are the hard drive and all the other hardware involved is at least 3-4 years old.

RAID 0 != shit. I have RAID0 Velociraptors and they are fast (duh).

I back up my OS array weekly to my RAID1 storage array. If you know how to use RAID0, it's fantastic.

You're right. RAID 0 is not shit, but a lot of people misuse it. I just remember it because RAID 0 = 0 protection.

 

[silverpig]

Well, it's not a total loss. You still have half the data.

 

[SagaLore]

RAID0 is okay, as long as you have an aggressive off-drive backup schedule.

I'm going to guess they did not.

 

[DisgruntledVirus]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

RAID = Redundant array of independent disks (using multiple hard drives to store data).
RAID 0 = Utter shit. Either hard drive fails, all data on BOTH disks is lost.
IDE = Very old hard drives. Everyone has used SATA for a long time so if you see an IDE drive, chances are the hard drive and all the other hardware involved is at least 3-4 years old.

RAID 0 != shit. I have RAID0 Velociraptors and they are fast (duh).

I back up my OS array weekly to my RAID1 storage array. If you know how to use RAID0, it's fantastic.

How much did you pay for the raptors and what sustained read/write do you get?

I don't recall what I paid but I only bought one of them, I got the other for my birthday.

(X48 onboard RAID, 128k stripe,512mb file, 8mb block size, hdtune file benchmark)
READ: 170mb/s, 7.1ms seek
WRITE: 190mb/s

Regardless of what you're getting, I'd be willing to put a RAID 5 array of velociraptors on a good controller up against that and get close to those #'s. Obviously RAID 0 will be the fastest, but I'll take a 20% hit on that (and get *only* 150 mb/s reads and 170 mb/s writes) for the security.

Glad it works for you (and you can't do RAID 5 with only 2 drives), but a RAID 0+RAID 1 (basically a RAID 10 setup) will cost as much (maybe a bit more) than the same thing as a RAID 5 and not give that much more performance. RAID 5/6 is where it's at.

 

[Crusty]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

RAID = Redundant array of independent disks (using multiple hard drives to store data).
RAID 0 = Utter shit. Either hard drive fails, all data on BOTH disks is lost.
IDE = Very old hard drives. Everyone has used SATA for a long time so if you see an IDE drive, chances are the hard drive and all the other hardware involved is at least 3-4 years old.

RAID 0 != shit. I have RAID0 Velociraptors and they are fast (duh).

I back up my OS array weekly to my RAID1 storage array. If you know how to use RAID0, it's fantastic.

How much did you pay for the raptors and what sustained read/write do you get?

I don't recall what I paid but I only bought one of them, I got the other for my birthday.

(X48 onboard RAID, 128k stripe,512mb file, 8mb block size, hdtune file benchmark)
READ: 170mb/s, 7.1ms seek
WRITE: 190mb/s

Not bad at all, 4 7200rpm SATA drives in RAID 10 would beat those numbers and is something I would feel much more comfortable running then just a regular raid 0 array.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

RAID = Redundant array of independent disks (using multiple hard drives to store data).
RAID 0 = Utter shit. Either hard drive fails, all data on BOTH disks is lost.
IDE = Very old hard drives. Everyone has used SATA for a long time so if you see an IDE drive, chances are the hard drive and all the other hardware involved is at least 3-4 years old.

RAID 0 != shit. I have RAID0 Velociraptors and they are fast (duh).

I back up my OS array weekly to my RAID1 storage array. If you know how to use RAID0, it's fantastic.

How much did you pay for the raptors and what sustained read/write do you get?

I don't recall what I paid but I only bought one of them, I got the other for my birthday.

(X48 onboard RAID, 128k stripe,512mb file, 8mb block size, hdtune file benchmark)
READ: 170mb/s, 7.1ms seek
WRITE: 190mb/s

Regardless of what you're getting, I'd be willing to put a RAID 5 array of velociraptors on a good controller up against that and get close to those #'s. Obviously RAID 0 will be the fastest, but I'll take a 20% hit on that (and get *only* 150 mb/s reads and 170 mb/s writes) for the security.

Glad it works for you (and you can't do RAID 5 with only 2 drives), but a RAID 0+RAID 1 (basically a RAID 10 setup) will cost as much (maybe a bit more) than the same thing as a RAID 5 and not give that much more performance. RAID 5/6 is where it's at.

Average speed across drive @ 8mb block size = 196mb/s
Are you really comparing 2 raid0 drives with an onboard controller to 3 raid5 drives with an external controller?

What do you need redundancy for on an OS drive? Really? It'd take me 30 minutes to restore my OS drive with my current setup. And the chances of a velociraptor dying before replacement are nil. I'll take my chance, and you can go ahead and spend more to get less!

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

RAID = Redundant array of independent disks (using multiple hard drives to store data).
RAID 0 = Utter shit. Either hard drive fails, all data on BOTH disks is lost.
IDE = Very old hard drives. Everyone has used SATA for a long time so if you see an IDE drive, chances are the hard drive and all the other hardware involved is at least 3-4 years old.

RAID 0 != shit. I have RAID0 Velociraptors and they are fast (duh).

I back up my OS array weekly to my RAID1 storage array. If you know how to use RAID0, it's fantastic.

How much did you pay for the raptors and what sustained read/write do you get?

I don't recall what I paid but I only bought one of them, I got the other for my birthday.

(X48 onboard RAID, 128k stripe,512mb file, 8mb block size, hdtune file benchmark)
READ: 170mb/s, 7.1ms seek
WRITE: 190mb/s

Regardless of what you're getting, I'd be willing to put a RAID 5 array of velociraptors on a good controller up against that and get close to those #'s. Obviously RAID 0 will be the fastest, but I'll take a 20% hit on that (and get *only* 150 mb/s reads and 170 mb/s writes) for the security.

Glad it works for you (and you can't do RAID 5 with only 2 drives), but a RAID 0+RAID 1 (basically a RAID 10 setup) will cost as much (maybe a bit more) than the same thing as a RAID 5 and not give that much more performance. RAID 5/6 is where it's at.

RAID 10 is my fave since you get the speed and recovery is quicker.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
You're right. RAID 0 is not shit, but a lot of people misuse it. I just remember it because RAID 0 = 0 protection.

Well, lots of people use the pull-out method and we see how well that works too .

Originally posted by: arcenite
And the chances of a velociraptor dying before replacement are nil. I'll take my chance, and you can go ahead and spend more to get less!

Tell that to my dead Raptor 150GB HDD. That thing lasted a year.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
You're right. RAID 0 is not shit, but a lot of people misuse it. I just remember it because RAID 0 = 0 protection.

Well, lots of people use the pull-out method and we see how well that works too .

Originally posted by: arcenite
And the chances of a velociraptor dying before replacement are nil. I'll take my chance, and you can go ahead and spend more to get less!

Tell that to my dead Raptor 150GB HDD. That thing lasted a year.

I'll let you know how mine is doing in 8 months.

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: Crusty

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: AstroManLuca

Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

RAID = Redundant array of independent disks (using multiple hard drives to store data).
RAID 0 = Utter shit. Either hard drive fails, all data on BOTH disks is lost.
IDE = Very old hard drives. Everyone has used SATA for a long time so if you see an IDE drive, chances are the hard drive and all the other hardware involved is at least 3-4 years old.

RAID 0 != shit. I have RAID0 Velociraptors and they are fast (duh).

I back up my OS array weekly to my RAID1 storage array. If you know how to use RAID0, it's fantastic.

How much did you pay for the raptors and what sustained read/write do you get?

I don't recall what I paid but I only bought one of them, I got the other for my birthday.

(X48 onboard RAID, 128k stripe,512mb file, 8mb block size, hdtune file benchmark)
READ: 170mb/s, 7.1ms seek
WRITE: 190mb/s

Regardless of what you're getting, I'd be willing to put a RAID 5 array of velociraptors on a good controller up against that and get close to those #'s. Obviously RAID 0 will be the fastest, but I'll take a 20% hit on that (and get *only* 150 mb/s reads and 170 mb/s writes) for the security.

Glad it works for you (and you can't do RAID 5 with only 2 drives), but a RAID 0+RAID 1 (basically a RAID 10 setup) will cost as much (maybe a bit more) than the same thing as a RAID 5 and not give that much more performance. RAID 5/6 is where it's at.

RAID 10 is my fave since you get the speed and recovery is quicker.

4 disks for a single drive on a personal machine?

 

[silverpig]

I'll see your two raptors in raid 0 and raise you a single SSD + a 1.5 TB SATA drive for storage.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: silverpig
I'll see your two raptors in raid 0 and raise you a single SSD + a 1.5 TB SATA drive for storage.

Would you like to bench that SSD?

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: DisgruntledVirus

Originally posted by: TheKub

Originally posted by: scorpious
Wtf, at what point would you need to access your data faster? No way people have RAID setup on their home computers. Double-click and shit is right there..

Its more common in the enthusiast market. Also, it is regularly thought of that RAID=backup. Its not, even 1 or 5.

edit oops.

For my home server/HTPC I just bought an 8 port SAS/SATA RAID card. I was looking to do 8x 1 TB Caviar Black drives in Raid 5 (7 TB's useable), but would need to buy 7 more drives. Currently at $90/ea that's $630. I found a guy on the FS/FT forums selling 22 750 gb drives, and will be picking up some of them at $50/ea. That will give me a hair over 5 TB.

Should sever me well for 2 years or so until I bump it to 15 TB's or so.

Man you're serious about your porn

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: silverpig
I'll see your two raptors in raid 0 and raise you a single SSD + a 1.5 TB SATA drive for storage.

Would you like to bench that SSD?

I can offer you my benches, as I also run a single SSD. Data goes to my home server.

Using HDTune, average 187.6 MB/sec transfer rate, access time 1.2 ms. IOMeter doesn't work on 7 x64.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: silverpig
I'll see your two raptors in raid 0 and raise you a single SSD + a 1.5 TB SATA drive for storage.

Would you like to bench that SSD?

I can offer you my benches, as I also run a single SSD. Data goes to my home server.

Using HDTune, average 187.6 MB/sec transfer rate, access time 1.2 ms. IOMeter doesn't work on 7 x64.

K. Slower than my raptors, and how much did it cost? And how big is it?

Edit: That seek time sure is sexy though

 

[polarbear6]

Originally posted by: scorpious
What's a raid 0 IDE raid?

Exatly what I was thinking ....

God damn my memory(my memory not my pc's )

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: silverpig
I'll see your two raptors in raid 0 and raise you a single SSD + a 1.5 TB SATA drive for storage.

Would you like to bench that SSD?

I can offer you my benches, as I also run a single SSD. Data goes to my home server.

Using HDTune, average 187.6 MB/sec transfer rate, access time 1.2 ms. IOMeter doesn't work on 7 x64.

K. Slower than my raptors, and how much did it cost? And how big is it?

(X48 onboard RAID, 128k stripe,512mb file, 8mb block size, hdtune file benchmark)
READ: 170mb/s, 7.1ms seek
WRITE: 190mb/s

Those are your raptor numbers, correct? My read exceeds yours, my write falls behind marginally, and my seek is way ahead.

$200, 64GB OCZ Summit. It's all the space I need for the OS and several games. If you have the 300GB editions, your cost was double mine; if the 150GB editions, half again as much.

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: MotF Bane

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: silverpig
I'll see your two raptors in raid 0 and raise you a single SSD + a 1.5 TB SATA drive for storage.

Would you like to bench that SSD?

I can offer you my benches, as I also run a single SSD. Data goes to my home server.

Using HDTune, average 187.6 MB/sec transfer rate, access time 1.2 ms. IOMeter doesn't work on 7 x64.

K. Slower than my raptors, and how much did it cost? And how big is it?

(X48 onboard RAID, 128k stripe,512mb file, 8mb block size, hdtune file benchmark)
READ: 170mb/s, 7.1ms seek
WRITE: 190mb/s

Those are your raptor numbers, correct? My read exceeds yours, my write falls behind marginally, and my seek laughs at the raptors.

$200, 64GB OCZ Summit. It's all the space I need for the OS and several games. If you have the 300GB editions, your cost was double mine; if the 150GB editions, half again as much.

Average speed across drive @ 8mb block size = 196mb/s
Are you really comparing 2 raid0 drives with an onboard controller to 3 raid5 drives with an external controller?

What do you need redundancy for on an OS drive? Really? It'd take me 30 minutes to restore my OS drive with my current setup. And the chances of a velociraptor dying before replacement are nil. I'll take my chance, and you can go ahead and spend more to get less!

Edit: I have one 150 gigger that I bought, and the other one was a gift. (lucky me, I know)

 

[MotF Bane]

Ah, my bad, I missed the post with the 196 MB/s. So your transfer is higher, my seek is higher, cost... well, ended up yours as cheaper (lucky indeed), and with far more storage.

Mine's silent!

 

[arcenite]

The point is, RAID0 is not pointless. It's fun if used properly!

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: silverpig
I'll see your two raptors in raid 0 and raise you a single SSD + a 1.5 TB SATA drive for storage.

Would you like to bench that SSD?

I don't actually have one, but it's the way to go.

I've got a 74 GB raptor for my OS, and then a bunch of old disks for storage... 120, 250, 320, 500 etc...

 

[arcenite]

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Ah, my bad, I missed the post with the 196 MB/s. So your transfer is higher, my seek is higher, cost... well, ended up yours as cheaper (lucky indeed), and with far more storage.

Mine's silent!

Damn.

I do admit, one of these days I'd like to raid0 two SSDs

And my guess is you don't need to have a fan pointed at it either.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: arcenite
The point is, RAID0 is not pointless. It's fun if used properly!

I absolutely agree, and I'd use RAID 0 on my SSD if I could've afforded two of them.

Originally posted by: arcenite

Originally posted by: MotF Bane
Ah, my bad, I missed the post with the 196 MB/s. So your transfer is higher, my seek is higher, cost... well, ended up yours as cheaper (lucky indeed), and with far more storage.

Mine's silent!

Damn.

I do admit, one of these days I'd like to raid0 two SSDs

And my guess is you don't need to have a fan pointed at it either.

Nope, no fan required. Only a 2.5" form factor too, so it occupies minimal physical real estate.